Kudos to the Coaching Staff

[Amaseinyourface]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

Not that Lavin redshirts meant a lot, but you could redshirt a kid who you know wouldn't see the light of day during a particular season and hope that he would improve as time goes on. It's not a commitment for a 5th year in all cases. Let's say a 4 start recruit commits late and you have no scholarships available, and it comes down to offering CJ a 5th year when he won't play much or signing that player - what do you do?

I would worry about that when we got there as it is we still have two ships to give. I understand the graduate transfer angle but Jones would not be the first guy to let go IMO, and really I wouldnt want to "let" anyone go.

 

[paultzman]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

Not that Lavin redshirts meant a lot, but you could redshirt a kid who you know wouldn't see the light of day during a particular season and hope that he would improve as time goes on. It's not a commitment for a 5th year in all cases. Let's say a 4 start recruit commits late and you have no scholarships available, and it comes down to offering CJ a 5th year when he won't play much or signing that player - what do you do?

I would worry about that when we got there as it is we still have to ships to give. I understand the graduate transfer angle but Jones would not be the first guy to let go IMO, and really I wouldnt want to "let" anyone go.

Unfortunately this is an era when many kids transfer. I operate on the assumption someone may leave for perceived greener pastures. I am also sure staff at the proper time will peruse grad transfer developments closely. We have two recruiters with contacts & relationships to make that happen if necessary. All this conjecture on Jones is senseless at this point.

 

[beast of the east]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

Not that Lavin redshirts meant a lot, but you could redshirt a kid who you know wouldn't see the light of day during a particular season and hope that he would improve as time goes on. It's not a commitment for a 5th year in all cases. Let's say a 4 start recruit commits late and you have no scholarships available, and it comes down to offering CJ a 5th year when he won't play much or signing that player - what do you do?

I would worry about that when we got there as it is we still have to ships to give. I understand the graduate transfer angle but Jones would not be the first guy to let go IMO, and really I wouldnt want to "let" anyone go.

Unfortunately this is an era when many kids transfer. I operate on the assumption someone may leave for perceived greener pastures. I am also sure staff at the proper time will peruse grad transfer developments closely. We have two recruiters with contacts & relationships to make that happen if necessary. All this conjecture on Jones is senseless at this point.

To your point, CJ has proven that he can be productive at some level in D1, whereas before he was simply enigmatic. Also to your point, the long held story was that Billy Donovan badly wanted to play at SJU but Carnesecca in turning him down made phone calls to Joe Mulaney at Providence on his behalf. The story also goes that Donovan, despite Carnesecca's efforts harbored ill feelings towards JU for a long time after. But coaches do routinely try to help kids get placed who may not fit in a program.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Agree Paultz, and yes it is rather unfortunate kids seem to transfer at the drop of a dime. No doubts here about the ability of our staff to find and supplant talent.

 

[otis]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when I opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

 

[ras]

I I like all of our players and don't want to see any of them asked not to return. But if by a miracle we could get Maker and Alkins , what does the staff do?

 

[austour]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

 

[usguard]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better pladevelopmentwith him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you [/





PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Agree to early to call him a SBE player He puts out trys hard and represents the school well. Wish him well but at this stage he is looking like 7th or b players after next yr

 

[monte]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.

 

[austour]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.

Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?

 

[ras]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

Not that Lavin redshirts meant a lot, but you could redshirt a kid who you know wouldn't see the light of day during a particular season and hope that he would improve as time goes on. It's not a commitment for a 5th year in all cases. Let's say a 4 start recruit commits late and you have no scholarships available, and it comes down to offering CJ a 5th year when he won't play much or signing that player - what do you do?

That's what I ask. And let's up the ante and say it is a 5 star player. That said, it's all hypothetical.

 

[we are sju]

This thread really branched off into some weird territories. Worrying about kids transferring to make room for people is silly. At this point I am not sure Lovett even really exists outside of youtube and I wouldn't be to quick to push productive kids out the door since I have decided I don't believe a kid is eligible until I see him actually play in a game. Worry about these kids actually playing in a game first. Minutes will take care of itself. When is the last time SJU had too many good players? 1985?

 

[mjmaherjr]

This thread really branched off into some weird territories. Worrying about kids transferring to make room for people is silly. At this point I am not sure Lovett even really exists outside of youtube and I wouldn't be to quick to push productive kids out the door since I have decided I don't believe a kid is eligible until I see him actually play in a game. Worry about these kids actually playing in a game first. Minutes will take care of itself. When is the last time SJU had too many good players? 1985?

The similarities and paranoia between st johns fans and us met fans is startling. The yankee fans just need to switch to us so they can never be happy

 

[rawdognyc]

I have written and erased many responses I wanted to make. I find it pathetic that the race card was pulled out on a subject that has NOTHING to do with race. Bottom line, whether CJ was white, black, pink or yellow, if you can improve your roster and future of the program, you do it. If it came down to asking CJ to leave to make room for a Thon or a Rawle, you do it in a heartbeat.
SJU has given him a full ride and he'll be graduating with a degree this summer. He is blessed to have that. His degree is what is most important for a player of his talent level, and he was given that. This staff didn't redshirt him and aren't obligated to keep him around if they can improve our team. Obviously it's a moot point if they don't need an extra scholi. Idk.. That race card shit is used when you don't have a solid argument.

Peace

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.

Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?

Agree, but there is nothing wrong with 8.5 & 5.5 from your PF. Admittedly I had hoped for a little bit more from him but im probably his biggest supporter and there's plenty of season left to get closer to 10 & 6. Not to mention, has anybody other than him taken a charge this year?

 

[austour]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.

Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?

Agree, but there is nothing wrong with 8.5, 5.5 from your PF. Not to mention has anybody other than him taken a charge this year?

Well, the 5.5 isn't too good, and if you read my other post you'd see he's averaging 3.1 against high major competition. Throw out the Chaminade game alone and he's averaging 7 and 4.6. I'm happy for the guy that's he's getting playing time and not sucking but he hasn't proven anything yet to call him a productive big east player.

 

[monte]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.

Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?

Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.

 

[salty dog]

Several posters on this site scoffed in June of this year when OTIS opined that Christian Jones would be a much improved player.

Guess what? Christian Jones has had the last laugh because he has proven to be a solid Big East player. This season Christian Christian is averaging 28.6 minutes per game this season while averaging 7 rebounds and 8.4 points

The question raised by Christian's performance this season is why Christian barely saw the Court last season (124 total minutes for last season) when the TV commentator as coach played short handed in many games.

Was Christian not properly used last season, or has Mullin and his hard working staff done better player development with him?

This threat is entitled "Kudos to the Coaching Staff". Kudos to Coach Mullin and his staff for providing Christian the opportunity to prove his worth this season.

a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you

PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.

Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.

Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?

Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.

I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.

 

[logen]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

Exactly!! I for one do not see Mullin and staff even contemplating forcing anyone out.