Jordan Status?

Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.
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Reeling another "lost" player back in was so masterful, I think I'd have to go with whatever Lavin decides. Can't see him rewarding Jordan's bad play and behavior with a start's position, but you never know.
 
I'm glad the kid is back but he cost us the Butler game which will come back to haunt us at some point unless we win the game tomorrow vs Villanova. Let's see RJ play his ass off tomorrow and help us to a victory.
 
Are any of you bashers ever going to learn your lesson and stop destroying our "kids" any chance you get. The same people were ready to give up on D'Lo, Obekpa, the 4th, SirDom. It has to be exhausting jumping on and off the bandwagon so often. Everyone was disappointed that we lost Jordan for a game and possibly more but some of the "fans" go way too far attacking our own players. We didn't have all the information but we knew his grandmother passed away. Have a little respect. They are just college kids for goodness sake, whether they stay or not they put in a lot more work and passion for SJU than it will ever give back to them.
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I'm sorry but nonsense; if Jordan left for a game because his grandmother died, say it and EVERYONE would accept it and move on. But when the coach doesn't even know when he will return because he doesn't have enough info, people fill in the blanks. I don't know Jordan but anyone who has any real insight into the program knows this kid has been high drama, high maintenance since he came here. Your Pollyanish last sentence is almost comical; while some are, some are not just college kids - it is nothing more than a temporary stop until they can turn pro. Sampson last year sabotaged our season because by the time he decided to play a team game and not just look out for his own future all the advantages of early practice and the Europe trip had already been derailed. I feel for Jordan, but you don't solve your problems by going about it the way he is apparently handling them. Welcome him back, I don't - this has become too much a recurring theme from him. I do acknowledge the positive in him returning for Harrison, Greene, Pointer, and Branch; they do deserve it.
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First off you make it sound like we have the right to know what goes on behind the scenes of this program. We do not. We are fans....no more and no less.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that they should and need to announce that the reason for him taking a break was the death of his grandmother? The death of a family member is a very personal and private thing, and should be treated as such, unless otherwise noted by the individual.

But you are right, I can't believe that Lavin and Jordan weren't thinking about how the posters on redmen.com would react with only having such little knowledge of the situation. Shame on them!!

Lavin didn't say too much because he, like Jordan, didn't really know what was going on or when/if Jordan would return. I'm sure Lavin didn't sit down with Jordan and be like, "Rysheed, I'm really sorry to hear about your grandmother........so when do you think you will be back with the team?" If it's one thing we know about Lavin it's this: he genuinely cares about his team, not just as basketball players, but as people as well. So the conversation was probably more like, "I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, please take all the time you need and let me know if there is anything I can do for you and your family."

And his return probably was up in the air. Everyone reacts differently to situations such as these, and I'm sure the last thing on Jordan's mind was basketball....

I'm sorry, but to be upset that Lavin and Jordan didn't make a public announcement regarding the death of a family member is just downright rude and disrespectful.
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Look, you are entitled to your opinion and you are obviously a Lavin supporter big time; you have every right to be. But IMO you have an excuse and rationalization for every incident this program endures, again your take. But when a prominent member of a high profile (as you like to say the 15th ranked team in the country) program cannot play there is a length of absence and reason given; injury, personal reasons, etc. None of that was available for whatever reason; in fact Lavin was quite forthcoming in that he didn't have enough "info" to even speculate on a return. Not Jordan has serious personal issues that leave his return open-ended, the COACH didn't even have enough information about what was going on to even speculate on a return. Now, miraculously, Jordan is returning after a one game absence; by the way, not the first time this has happened with this player. I manage a large group of people and one thing I always tell my staff is that if you do not communicate clearly people will fill in the blanks according to their take on the situation. So, while I agree Lavin and Jordan did not have to announce ALL the facts they certainly should have provided way more insight into what was going on then they did. Again, you take any and all individual incidents and rationalize them away and criticize those who choose to look at the larger, cumulative picture. And the cumulative number of negatives associated with Lavin's tenure speaks for itself. The ridiculously, embarrasingly lack of legitimate D1 players on this roster speaks for itself. The prospects for next year in which we may not even field an even marginally representative team speaks for itself. You have your opinion of my position and I have one concerning yours. I believe mine is developed examining facts and reality over the last 4 years, yours with blind loyalty all the while hoping for a fairy tale ending..
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Logen,

The lack of legitimate D1 players on this team? We are a top 25 team. How is that possible if there is a lack of talent on this team?

I do, however, agree with you that communication is important, and that people will fill in the blanks (by the way, they are going to do that regardless). If Lavin had said that Jordan was out due to the death of a family member, rumors would have started to flow how he was going to transfer home to be closer to family. People are going to talk either way, that's just the nature of the beast.

You also stated that you manage a group of people, and you emphasize the importance of communication. If someone on your staff is terminated, do you make a public announcement and/or hold a press conference? Probably not. Why? Because it doesn't concern anyone else. But I'm guessing that you communicate internally to make sure the rest of your staff is aware of the situation.

Here is another example. Rex Ryan was fired from the Jets (as well as their GM...I'm not a Jets fan, so I can't think of his name). Did the owners give an exact reason as to why they were terminated, or was it more of a generic statement such as "we feel that it is in the best interest of our organization to part ways with Coach Ryan"?

There are no stakeholders in SJU basketball. No one is going to lose or gain based on Rysheed Jordan's availability. He took some time off from the team to deal with some personal stuff. No explanation should be needed.
 
Zach Braziller ‏@NYPost_Brazille 2m2 minutes ago
Rysheed Jordan has returned from leave of absence, will play tomorrow and practice today. #sjubb
 
Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.
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Unless Jordan is planning to transfer, I don't see how he has any leverage in this situation. Yes, we badly need him, but he equally needs to keep playing if he wants any shot at a pro career. Where's he going to get the exposure he needs over the next few months if not here?
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It's a matter of getting the most out of Jordan the player , here and now. Benching him hasn't particularly helped him, so I'll go with whatever the staff decides is the best way to get this team back in gear.
 
I'm glad the kid is back but he cost us the Butler game which will come back to haunt us at some point unless we win the game tomorrow vs Villanova. Let's see RJ play his ass off tomorrow and help us to a victory.
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I'm not convinced we beat Butler even with Jordan, I agree our chances are better but they are a touch match up for us especially with Jones back. Butler is now 28 in the AP with wins against 3 ranked teams (UNC, St. John's & Georgetown, although not sure if G'Town was ranked at the time of their meeting). The fact that it was a home loss may come back to haunt us but hopefully we can steal a win or two on the road to make up for it.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: St John's saying Rysheed Jordan was on leave after his grandmother passed away. Fail to mention repeated disciplinary issues. #sjubb
 
@NYPost_Brazille: St John's saying Rysheed Jordan was on leave after his grandmother passed away. Fail to mention repeated disciplinary issues. #sjubb
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stay tuned for tomorrows episode of " As the turnpike turns "
 
@NYPost_Brazille: St John's saying Rysheed Jordan was on leave after his grandmother passed away. Fail to mention repeated disciplinary issues. #sjubb
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Good point. Last year when there was a death in the family or birth of a child the reason was always specifically mentioned. This year it was "personal & family" reasons, the classic read between the lines statement.
 
I'm glad the kid is back but he cost us the Butler game which will come back to haunt us at some point unless we win the game tomorrow vs Villanova. Let's see RJ play his ass off tomorrow and help us to a victory.
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I'm not convinced we beat Butler even with Jordan, I agree our chances are better but they are a touch match up for us especially with Jones back. Butler is now 28 in the AP with wins against 3 ranked teams (UNC, St. John's & Georgetown, although not sure if G'Town was ranked at the time of their meeting). The fact that it was a home loss may come back to haunt us but hopefully we can steal a win or two on the road to make up for it.
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tough conference. Preseason bottom four are butler, Marquette, Creighton, DePaul. We will need to sweep three teams, and not get swept by anyone to go 12-6. Best likely scanrio is to go 11-7, sweeping DePaul and Creighton, finding one other sweep and allowing one team to sweep us. Tough road, with or without Jordan.
 
Are any of you bashers ever going to learn your lesson and stop destroying our "kids" any chance you get. The same people were ready to give up on D'Lo, Obekpa, the 4th, SirDom. It has to be exhausting jumping on and off the bandwagon so often. Everyone was disappointed that we lost Jordan for a game and possibly more but some of the "fans" go way too far attacking our own players. We didn't have all the information but we knew his grandmother passed away. Have a little respect. They are just college kids for goodness sake, whether they stay or not they put in a lot more work and passion for SJU than it will ever give back to them.
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I'm sorry but nonsense; if Jordan left for a game because his grandmother died, say it and EVERYONE would accept it and move on. But when the coach doesn't even know when he will return because he doesn't have enough info, people fill in the blanks. I don't know Jordan but anyone who has any real insight into the program knows this kid has been high drama, high maintenance since he came here. Your Pollyanish last sentence is almost comical; while some are, some are not just college kids - it is nothing more than a temporary stop until they can turn pro. Sampson last year sabotaged our season because by the time he decided to play a team game and not just look out for his own future all the advantages of early practice and the Europe trip had already been derailed. I feel for Jordan, but you don't solve your problems by going about it the way he is apparently handling them. Welcome him back, I don't - this has become too much a recurring theme from him. I do acknowledge the positive in him returning for Harrison, Greene, Pointer, and Branch; they do deserve it.
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First off you make it sound like we have the right to know what goes on behind the scenes of this program. We do not. We are fans....no more and no less.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that they should and need to announce that the reason for him taking a break was the death of his grandmother? The death of a family member is a very personal and private thing, and should be treated as such, unless otherwise noted by the individual.

But you are right, I can't believe that Lavin and Jordan weren't thinking about how the posters on redmen.com would react with only having such little knowledge of the situation. Shame on them!!

Lavin didn't say too much because he, like Jordan, didn't really know what was going on or when/if Jordan would return. I'm sure Lavin didn't sit down with Jordan and be like, "Rysheed, I'm really sorry to hear about your grandmother........so when do you think you will be back with the team?" If it's one thing we know about Lavin it's this: he genuinely cares about his team, not just as basketball players, but as people as well. So the conversation was probably more like, "I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, please take all the time you need and let me know if there is anything I can do for you and your family."

And his return probably was up in the air. Everyone reacts differently to situations such as these, and I'm sure the last thing on Jordan's mind was basketball....

I'm sorry, but to be upset that Lavin and Jordan didn't make a public announcement regarding the death of a family member is just downright rude and disrespectful.
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Look, you are entitled to your opinion and you are obviously a Lavin supporter big time; you have every right to be. But IMO you have an excuse and rationalization for every incident this program endures, again your take. But when a prominent member of a high profile (as you like to say the 15th ranked team in the country) program cannot play there is a length of absence and reason given; injury, personal reasons, etc. None of that was available for whatever reason; in fact Lavin was quite forthcoming in that he didn't have enough "info" to even speculate on a return. Not Jordan has serious personal issues that leave his return open-ended, the COACH didn't even have enough information about what was going on to even speculate on a return. Now, miraculously, Jordan is returning after a one game absence; by the way, not the first time this has happened with this player. I manage a large group of people and one thing I always tell my staff is that if you do not communicate clearly people will fill in the blanks according to their take on the situation. So, while I agree Lavin and Jordan did not have to announce ALL the facts they certainly should have provided way more insight into what was going on then they did. Again, you take any and all individual incidents and rationalize them away and criticize those who choose to look at the larger, cumulative picture. And the cumulative number of negatives associated with Lavin's tenure speaks for itself. The ridiculously, embarrasingly lack of legitimate D1 players on this roster speaks for itself. The prospects for next year in which we may not even field an even marginally representative team speaks for itself. You have your opinion of my position and I have one concerning yours. I believe mine is developed examining facts and reality over the last 4 years, yours with blind loyalty all the while hoping for a fairy tale ending..
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Logen,

The lack of legitimate D1 players on this team? We are a top 25 team. How is that possible if there is a lack of talent on this team?

I do, however, agree with you that communication is important, and that people will fill in the blanks (by the way, they are going to do that regardless). If Lavin had said that Jordan was out due to the death of a family member, rumors would have started to flow how he was going to transfer home to be closer to family. People are going to talk either way, that's just the nature of the beast.

You also stated that you manage a group of people, and you emphasize the importance of communication. If someone on your staff is terminated, do you make a public announcement and/or hold a press conference? Probably not. Why? Because it doesn't concern anyone else. But I'm guessing that you communicate internally to make sure the rest of your staff is aware of the situation.

Here is another example. Rex Ryan was fired from the Jets (as well as their GM...I'm not a Jets fan, so I can't think of his name). Did the owners give an exact reason as to why they were terminated, or was it more of a generic statement such as "we feel that it is in the best interest of our organization to part ways with Coach Ryan"?

There are no stakeholders in SJU basketball. No one is going to lose or gain based on Rysheed Jordan's availability. He took some time off from the team to deal with some personal stuff. No explanation should be needed.
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Again, sorry but I do not manage a business in the public arena; SJU is. Publicity, like it or not, is part of the game. As for your comment about being a Top 25 team, which is obviously true; that just as obviously negates with you the fact that we have 6, count 'em 6, legitimate D1 players on the roster with 4 set to graduate, even ignoring the status of Obekpa and Jordan for next year. Like I said, you are entitled to your rosy outlook as to the state of the program, I just don't begin to share it.
 
Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.
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Unless Jordan is planning to transfer, I don't see how he has any leverage in this situation. Yes, we badly need him, but he equally needs to keep playing if he wants any shot at a pro career. Where's he going to get the exposure he needs over the next few months if not here?
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It's a matter of getting the most out of Jordan the player , here and now. Benching him hasn't particularly helped him, so I'll go with whatever the staff decides is the best way to get this team back in gear.
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I agree. Coach and the staff have to play it according to what they feel the situation dictates.
Some kids need tough love, some need to be cuddled. At the end of the day just get the team back on the same page, I don't care how you do it.
 
Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.
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Unless Jordan is planning to transfer, I don't see how he has any leverage in this situation. Yes, we badly need him, but he equally needs to keep playing if he wants any shot at a pro career. Where's he going to get the exposure he needs over the next few months if not here?
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IMO he has a fair amount of leverage. Make no mistake about it, we desperately need him and he knows that. And teaching lessons aside, Lavin is likely coaching for his job. IMO if starting him was the deal breaker, then yes I think Lavin would start him regardless of any past transgressions and provided Lavin felt like he was all in for the rest of the season.
 
Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.
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Unless Jordan is planning to transfer, I don't see how he has any leverage in this situation. Yes, we badly need him, but he equally needs to keep playing if he wants any shot at a pro career. Where's he going to get the exposure he needs over the next few months if not here?
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It's a matter of getting the most out of Jordan the player , here and now. Benching him hasn't particularly helped him, so I'll go with whatever the staff decides is the best way to get this team back in gear.
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Agree about benching hasn't helped him. He has to be back in the starting lineup and why not? What has Branch accomplished as our point guard?. Zilch. So Jordan has made mistakes but he, along with D'LO,at least attempt to make those passes that hopefully lead to a basket and assist. Let him play his game and please stop with the psychic attitude that every move he makes is to audition for the NBA.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: D'Angelo Harrison said Jordan knows he let team down, happy he's back. #sjubb
 
@NYPost_Brazille: D'Angelo Harrison said Jordan knows he let team down, happy he's back. #sjubb
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Dare I say that we may even be a more united and better team after this episode?
 
I'm glad the kid is back but he cost us the Butler game which will come back to haunt us at some point unless we win the game tomorrow vs Villanova. Let's see RJ play his ass off tomorrow and help us to a victory.
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I'm not convinced we beat Butler even with Jordan, I agree our chances are better but they are a touch match up for us especially with Jones back. Butler is now 28 in the AP with wins against 3 ranked teams (UNC, St. John's & Georgetown, although not sure if G'Town was ranked at the time of their meeting). The fact that it was a home loss may come back to haunt us but hopefully we can steal a win or two on the road to make up for it.
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They out rebounded us by 8 and it was even more lopsided in the first 1/2. They had 10 offensive boards. Our lack of size is what is hurting us most. Yes we miss Jordan and his ability to get into the lane may have been the difference in the Butler game but until we can get another body to hit the boards (Jones, Alibegovic or JDR) we will find it tough to compete in the Big East. I am not saying we can't win, not at all, I am just saying that lack of size makes it tough.
 
Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.
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Reeling another "lost" player back in was so masterful, I think I'd have to go with whatever Lavin decides. Can't see him rewarding Jordan's bad play and behavior with a start's position, but you never know.
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Rewarding for bad play? Can we please get over his past turnovers and somehow realize he is our second best player out there. As a coach you talk to the player about his consistent mistakes but eventually stop with punishing him forever by benching him. Use that psychological brain and sales pitch of yours Lavin. It may work. Jordan has to start. Even Boeheim hasn't benched his freshmen point guard, Joseph, who has made tons of mistakes.
 
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