Jordan Status?

@GregLogan1: D'Angelo Harrison credits Lavin with good job in meeting with Jordan to convince to return. Adds soph"knows he let us down." #sjubb

"Convince him" ?

If hHrrison's take is true the whole death in the family scenario certainly must be viewed in a different light. Like I said, and many on the board also know this, Jordan has been a problem since he came here.

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the insane aslylum.

I hope Steve Lavin enjoys coaching out his last two months in Jamaica - he will not be returning next year.
 
Curious to see if Sheed starts. Doubt it, but ya never know.

Reeling another "lost" player back in was so masterful, I think I'd have to go with whatever Lavin decides. Can't see him rewarding Jordan's bad play and behavior with a start's position, but you never know.



Rewarding for bad play? Can we please get over his past turnovers and somehow realize he is our second best player out there. As a coach you talk to the player about his consistent mistakes but eventually stop with punishing him forever by benching him. Use that psychological brain and sales pitch of yours Lavin. It may work. Jordan has to start. Even Boeheim hasn't benched his freshmen point guard, Joseph, who has made tons of mistakes.

Yes, Jack, and using that logic as a rule, instead of getting out of the gate 11-1, maybe we are 8-4 with a perilous road to a tourney berth. Make no doubt about this - this is all of Jordan's doing, and if he didn't deserve to start before (16 turnovers in 2 games, followed by erratic play), he doesn't deserve it now. At this point I wouldn't be advising Lavin what to do - he just brought this Lazarus of a team back from the dead by getting into the mysterious head of a 19 year old. At this point, I trust Lavin will do what's best for the team, and if it coincides with Jordan's best wishes, so be it.
 
@GregLogan1: D'Angelo Harrison credits Lavin with good job in meeting with Jordan to convince to return. Adds soph"knows he let us down." #sjubb

"Convince him" ?

If hHrrison's take is true the whole death in the family scenario certainly must be viewed in a different light. Like I said, and many on the board also know this, Jordan has been a problem since he came here.

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the insane aslylum.

I hope Steve Lavin enjoys coaching out his last two months in Jamaica - he will not be returning next year.

He may not be, but his chances have to have increased with the return of Air II.
 
@GregLogan1: D'Angelo Harrison credits Lavin with good job in meeting with Jordan to convince to return. Adds soph"knows he let us down." #sjubb

"Convince him" ?

If hHrrison's take is true the whole death in the family scenario certainly must be viewed in a different light. Like I said, and many on the board also know this, Jordan has been a problem since he came here.

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the insane aslylum.

I hope Steve Lavin enjoys coaching out his last two months in Jamaica - he will not be returning next year.

And if he is, maybe you won't be returning. :) Just saying the logical thing. Tourney after turmoil would be a nice story for this team.
 
@GregLogan1: D'Angelo Harrison credits Lavin with good job in meeting with Jordan to convince to return. Adds soph"knows he let us down." #sjubb

"Convince him" ?

If hHrrison's take is true the whole death in the family scenario certainly must be viewed in a different light. Like I said, and many on the board also know this, Jordan has been a problem since he came here.

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the insane aslylum.

I hope Steve Lavin enjoys coaching out his last two months in Jamaica - he will not be returning next year.

And if he is, maybe you won't be returning. :) Just saying the logical thing. Tourney after turmoil would be a nice story for this team.

I agree Beast, and i would love to see Harrison play in the NCAAs, he has gone from a very unlikable player a few years ago to a kid who is one of my all time favs.

With that said, the Partys Over for Lavin. Five years will have passed by March and we will be looking at a best of two NCAA Tournaments and a recruiting effort for 2015 where he has completely swung and missed leaving next years roster completely incapable of competing against the likes of the BE Schedule, Duke and the Maui Classic teams. We have had too many "moral victories" with this program to have to endure another major rebuild next year.
 
So 2 reporters now implying it goes beyond the grandmother's passing. Vegas should have a line on whether Jordan starts. I predict he won't. Just hope he gets head on straight and produces regardless.

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello
Have heard the same. RT @NYPost_Brazille: Multiple sources said Rysheed Jordan missed practice and left team 3 times without permission.
 
@jmverlin: Man, @NYPost_Brazille is not letting St. John's get away with the Jordan stuff anymore. They've been shielding him for two years.
 
I've suffered with this team for so long, and I'm so desperate for a tourney bid and maybe a little run, that frankly I could care less what Lavin had to promise Sheed in order to get him back on the team and playing up to his potential. I mean its not like this crap doesn't go on all the time in college basketball.
 
@jmverlin: Man, @NYPost_Brazille is not letting St. John's get away with the Jordan stuff anymore. They've been shielding him for two years.

They should let Jordan speak to the media now. Now THAT would be something.
 
I'm glad the kid is back but he cost us the Butler game which will come back to haunt us at some point unless we win the game tomorrow vs Villanova. Let's see RJ play his ass off tomorrow and help us to a victory.

Want to see 21pnts and 7 assists
2 turnovers max
 
I've suffered with this team for so long, and I'm so desperate for a tourney bid and maybe a little run, that frankly I could care less what Lavin had to promise Sheed in order to get him back on the team and playing up to his potential. I mean its not like this crap doesn't go on all the time in college basketball.

Hopefully all of this drama translates to a few wins sooner than later. It is tiring.
 
Slap in the face to the guys who want to be here if he starts him.

It will be interesting to see. My gut says he won't start, but who knows in our soap opera existence.
 
Lavin's desperation is quite sad.

If Sheed missed practices and team functions, he should be suspended. Period.

Doesn't matter if it was the Duke game up next.

Indefinite leave of absence is not a suspension.

You guys talking about Sheed starting is amazing. He shouldn't even be playing.
 
Lavin's desperation is quite sad.

If Sheed missed practices and team functions, he should be suspended. Period.

Doesn't matter if it was the Duke game up next.

Indefinite leave of absence is not a suspension.

You guys talking about Sheed starting is amazing. He shouldn't even be playing.

It has been a long time since st johns has been on the map, a lot of it is due to the poor coaches we had (Norm), lazy coaches (Jarvis) , the Keita incident and the way Harrington decided to treat the basketball program after Pittsburgh.. This is our chance to get back on the map. Most of these kids are seniors and this is their last opportunity. Therefore, I let the Jordan play without suspension, the team wants him back, the team needs him, the fan base needs him, st johns needs to win and make a mark this year. There are no tomorrows. This program has been in a rut much too long
 
Are any of you bashers ever going to learn your lesson and stop destroying our "kids" any chance you get. The same people were ready to give up on D'Lo, Obekpa, the 4th, SirDom. It has to be exhausting jumping on and off the bandwagon so often. Everyone was disappointed that we lost Jordan for a game and possibly more but some of the "fans" go way too far attacking our own players. We didn't have all the information but we knew his grandmother passed away. Have a little respect. They are just college kids for goodness sake, whether they stay or not they put in a lot more work and passion for SJU than it will ever give back to them.

I'm sorry but nonsense; if Jordan left for a game because his grandmother died, say it and EVERYONE would accept it and move on. But when the coach doesn't even know when he will return because he doesn't have enough info, people fill in the blanks. I don't know Jordan but anyone who has any real insight into the program knows this kid has been high drama, high maintenance since he came here. Your Pollyanish last sentence is almost comical; while some are, some are not just college kids - it is nothing more than a temporary stop until they can turn pro. Sampson last year sabotaged our season because by the time he decided to play a team game and not just look out for his own future all the advantages of early practice and the Europe trip had already been derailed. I feel for Jordan, but you don't solve your problems by going about it the way he is apparently handling them. Welcome him back, I don't - this has become too much a recurring theme from him. I do acknowledge the positive in him returning for Harrison, Greene, Pointer, and Branch; they do deserve it.

First off you make it sound like we have the right to know what goes on behind the scenes of this program. We do not. We are fans....no more and no less.

Secondly, where do you get off saying that they should and need to announce that the reason for him taking a break was the death of his grandmother? The death of a family member is a very personal and private thing, and should be treated as such, unless otherwise noted by the individual.

But you are right, I can't believe that Lavin and Jordan weren't thinking about how the posters on redmen.com would react with only having such little knowledge of the situation. Shame on them!!

Lavin didn't say too much because he, like Jordan, didn't really know what was going on or when/if Jordan would return. I'm sure Lavin didn't sit down with Jordan and be like, "Rysheed, I'm really sorry to hear about your grandmother........so when do you think you will be back with the team?" If it's one thing we know about Lavin it's this: he genuinely cares about his team, not just as basketball players, but as people as well. So the conversation was probably more like, "I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, please take all the time you need and let me know if there is anything I can do for you and your family."

And his return probably was up in the air. Everyone reacts differently to situations such as these, and I'm sure the last thing on Jordan's mind was basketball....

I'm sorry, but to be upset that Lavin and Jordan didn't make a public announcement regarding the death of a family member is just downright rude and disrespectful.

Look, you are entitled to your opinion and you are obviously a Lavin supporter big time; you have every right to be. But IMO you have an excuse and rationalization for every incident this program endures, again your take. But when a prominent member of a high profile (as you like to say the 15th ranked team in the country) program cannot play there is a length of absence and reason given; injury, personal reasons, etc. None of that was available for whatever reason; in fact Lavin was quite forthcoming in that he didn't have enough "info" to even speculate on a return. Not Jordan has serious personal issues that leave his return open-ended, the COACH didn't even have enough information about what was going on to even speculate on a return. Now, miraculously, Jordan is returning after a one game absence; by the way, not the first time this has happened with this player. I manage a large group of people and one thing I always tell my staff is that if you do not communicate clearly people will fill in the blanks according to their take on the situation. So, while I agree Lavin and Jordan did not have to announce ALL the facts they certainly should have provided way more insight into what was going on then they did. Again, you take any and all individual incidents and rationalize them away and criticize those who choose to look at the larger, cumulative picture. And the cumulative number of negatives associated with Lavin's tenure speaks for itself. The ridiculously, embarrasingly lack of legitimate D1 players on this roster speaks for itself. The prospects for next year in which we may not even field an even marginally representative team speaks for itself. You have your opinion of my position and I have one concerning yours. I believe mine is developed examining facts and reality over the last 4 years, yours with blind loyalty all the while hoping for a fairy tale ending..

Logen,

The lack of legitimate D1 players on this team? We are a top 25 team. How is that possible if there is a lack of talent on this team?

I do, however, agree with you that communication is important, and that people will fill in the blanks (by the way, they are going to do that regardless). If Lavin had said that Jordan was out due to the death of a family member, rumors would have started to flow how he was going to transfer home to be closer to family. People are going to talk either way, that's just the nature of the beast.

You also stated that you manage a group of people, and you emphasize the importance of communication. If someone on your staff is terminated, do you make a public announcement and/or hold a press conference? Probably not. Why? Because it doesn't concern anyone else. But I'm guessing that you communicate internally to make sure the rest of your staff is aware of the situation.

Here is another example. Rex Ryan was fired from the Jets (as well as their GM...I'm not a Jets fan, so I can't think of his name). Did the owners give an exact reason as to why they were terminated, or was it more of a generic statement such as "we feel that it is in the best interest of our organization to part ways with Coach Ryan"?

There are no stakeholders in SJU basketball. No one is going to lose or gain based on Rysheed Jordan's availability. He took some time off from the team to deal with some personal stuff. No explanation should be needed.

Again, sorry but I do not manage a business in the public arena; SJU is. Publicity, like it or not, is part of the game. As for your comment about being a Top 25 team, which is obviously true; that just as obviously negates with you the fact that we have 6, count 'em 6, legitimate D1 players on the roster with 4 set to graduate, even ignoring the status of Obekpa and Jordan for next year. Like I said, you are entitled to your rosy outlook as to the state of the program, I just don't begin to share it.

St. John's status as a business in the public arena is trumped by their obligations as an educational institution to hold in confidence the private information regarding their enrolled students, particularly regarding health, grades, and family matters. Barring a subpoena STJ is at risk for not holding such information in confidence. Our rights as internet fans have less than no standing.
 
I just hope Sheed manned up, made his resolve and comes out fighting on Tuesday. That will show what kind of a man he is.
 
A few thoughts:

• We're spending a lot of time parsing the words of some college athletes. I don't think they've given their statements as much thought as the good folks on this board. Kids do dumb things. Kids say dumb things. I suspect we care more than some of them do.

• Wouldn't be surprised to see Jordan start. Lavin is a pragmatist when he needs to be. Remember when a skinny and overmatched Polee started every game in his freshmen season? If that's what it takes to get Jordan back, Lavin will do it.

• Don't care much for the way Jordan has carried himself so far. Kind of felt the same way about Harrison his first couple seasons. Today, Harrison has moved onto my all-time favorites list. I'm not betting on Jordan doing the same, but I'm not writing him off either.

• I understand all the reasons some want to see Lavin chased out of town, but for my money our program is in better shape now than it was five years ago. I thought we'd be further ahead than we are, but we are not the joke we were at the end of Norm's reign.

Anyhow, a win tomorrow against Nova and we can go back to debating how long Lavin's extension should be. (I kid, I kid...)
 
Lavin's desperation is quite sad.

If Sheed missed practices and team functions, he should be suspended. Period.

Doesn't matter if it was the Duke game up next.

Indefinite leave of absence is not a suspension.

You guys talking about Sheed starting is amazing. He shouldn't even be playing.

It has been a long time since st johns has been on the map, a lot of it is due to the poor coaches we had (Norm), lazy coaches (Jarvis) , the Keita incident and the way Harrington decided to treat the basketball program after Pittsburgh.. This is our chance to get back on the map. Most of these kids are seniors and this is their last opportunity. Therefore, I let the Jordan play without suspension, the team wants him back, the team needs him, the fan base needs him, st johns needs to win and make a mark this year. There are no tomorrows. This program has been in a rut much too long

Not sure what any of the above has to do with anything.

Lavin was benching players 2 years ago for not shaving.

He dug this hole for himself. No one else.

And now since he wants a contract extension, a trip to Maui and more trips to Italy, anything goes?

Every player on that team is away from friends, family, girlfriends, sick relatives, etc. Every single one of them.

Some of you are so desperate for a win you sound like you've lost your minds.

Lavin stood in front of the media and told everyone D'Lo had to "earn his way back on the team."

Sheed hits the Pennsylvania Turnpike whenever he wants to and he gets the red carpet rolled out for him?

This is absurd.

And all for what when next year Sheed is playing overseas and Lavin's back in the booth?
 
A few thoughts:

• We're spending a lot of time parsing the words of some college athletes. I don't think they've given their statements as much thought as the good folks on this board. Kids do dumb things. Kids say dumb things. I suspect we care more than some of them do.

• Wouldn't be surprised to see Jordan start. Lavin is a pragmatist when he needs to be. Remember when a skinny and overmatched Polee started every game in his freshmen season? If that's what it takes to get Jordan back, Lavin will do it.

• Don't care much for the way Jordan has carried himself so far. Kind of felt the same way about Harrison his first couple seasons. Today, Harrison has moved onto my all-time favorites list. I'm not betting on Jordan doing the same, but I'm not writing him off either.

• I understand all the reasons some want to see Lavin chased out of town, but for my money our program is in better shape now than it was five years ago. I thought we'd be further ahead than we are, but we are not the joke we were at the end of Norm's reign.

Anyhow, a win tomorrow against Nova and we can go back to debating how long Lavin's extension should be. (I kid, I kid...)

No, we are not the joke we were at the end of Norm's reign right now (this year). But, after this year when everyone leaves and with no new recruits signed we will be far worse off next year than when Norm left.
 
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