MakingPlays
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LOL, didn't Caraher quit on the team before the first semester was even over and just stayed home when they got that break to see family.Moose post=439569 said:
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I know, because of our many issues, people are ready to fall out of their seats over this. Personally I am not all that perturbed by it. Here’s why:
1- Former players being upset. Boo hoo. This happens to every team, everywhere. Especially in a system this year where college players were allowed to basically become free agents. There were hundreds of transfers. Players all think they should play more. Some think the offense should revolve around them. That some of these kids butted heads with a strong willed Coach is not a surprise. The not playing in the NIT is just nonsense. Several teams opted not to play in the NIT. No one should be surprised that a bunch of 19-20 year olds wanted no part of another month of basically house arrest given CoVid protocols. Let’s not be naive.
I have no idea what any of pthat has to do with a discrimination lawsuit because of a medical condition. Seems like it’s attempt to impugn the character of a head coach who, by all accounts, has a pretty solid reputation.
2- I have personally been involved in several lawsuits in my career. As a Manager of people, it’s just part of the deal. I know the legal eagles here might dispute this but the fact St. John’s didn’t buckle and “settle” the suit is a sign that St. John’s lawyers might not be too impressed with what they have heard. Usually before firing someone Superiors (Cragg?), Human Resources,, and the lawyers are consulted. Pretty certain that St. John’s was aware of any of the medical conditions of the complainant. I have no idea of the type of contract Demeo had but I would assume he had some type of buyout if he was let go early. He claims he wasn’t paid vacation time. That’s odd to me because if Demeo was disabled because of his procedure ( in most places) you use your sick time first and then you might use vacation time ( your choice) before STD (short term disability) picks up (if he was covered). This is usually done by the employee so they are paid in full as long as possible. LTD (long term disability) usually after 8 weeks is MUCH harder to prove. Honestly, we don’t know the facts so that’s speculation.
Sorry for the long winded post. I just think when people hear lawsuit they tend to get the reaction the person filing it wants. This all looks pretty benign.
1- Former players being upset. Boo hoo. This happens to every team, everywhere. Especially in a system this year where college players were allowed to basically become free agents. There were hundreds of transfers. Players all think they should play more. Some think the offense should revolve around them. That some of these kids butted heads with a strong willed Coach is not a surprise. The not playing in the NIT is just nonsense. Several teams opted not to play in the NIT. No one should be surprised that a bunch of 19-20 year olds wanted no part of another month of basically house arrest given CoVid protocols. Let’s not be naive.
I have no idea what any of pthat has to do with a discrimination lawsuit because of a medical condition. Seems like it’s attempt to impugn the character of a head coach who, by all accounts, has a pretty solid reputation.
2- I have personally been involved in several lawsuits in my career. As a Manager of people, it’s just part of the deal. I know the legal eagles here might dispute this but the fact St. John’s didn’t buckle and “settle” the suit is a sign that St. John’s lawyers might not be too impressed with what they have heard. Usually before firing someone Superiors (Cragg?), Human Resources,, and the lawyers are consulted. Pretty certain that St. John’s was aware of any of the medical conditions of the complainant. I have no idea of the type of contract Demeo had but I would assume he had some type of buyout if he was let go early. He claims he wasn’t paid vacation time. That’s odd to me because if Demeo was disabled because of his procedure ( in most places) you use your sick time first and then you might use vacation time ( your choice) before STD (short term disability) picks up (if he was covered). This is usually done by the employee so they are paid in full as long as possible. LTD (long term disability) usually after 8 weeks is MUCH harder to prove. Honestly, we don’t know the facts so that’s speculation.
Sorry for the long winded post. I just think when people hear lawsuit they tend to get the reaction the person filing it wants. This all looks pretty benign.
_____Monte post=439550 said:
1. Monte ..... Welcome back. Don't be a stranger.
2. Please don't blame attorneys for frivelous lawsuits, blame their "blood sucking" clients. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png
3. I would appreciate if an attorney whose practice focuses on labor law can please explain what duty an employer has to retain an employee on a small specialized staff who can no longer perform their duties because of health issues.
P1NSTR1PEZ
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A ton of connections and is well-liked that yielded us * checks notes * Vince Cole and Isaih Moore...MainMan post=439518 said:
Overall I'm not too concerned, but one part from the allegations does concern me a bit. Could this part present a problem?
The problems between Anderson and DeMeo, according to the lawsuit and an interview with SI, began shortly after the season ended at a performance review meeting in May. In the meeting, DeMeo told Anderson that he’d likely need additional time off due to upcoming medical procedures. The suit states that Anderson responded by rolling his eyes and saying “Well, you have a job to do; you have to do it.” The meeting ended shortly thereafter.
The problems between Anderson and DeMeo, according to the lawsuit and an interview with SI, began shortly after the season ended at a performance review meeting in May. In the meeting, DeMeo told Anderson that he’d likely need additional time off due to upcoming medical procedures. The suit states that Anderson responded by rolling his eyes and saying “Well, you have a job to do; you have to do it.” The meeting ended shortly thereafter.
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Much ado about nothing. Lots of kids that weren’t recruited by him, didn’t want to work hard to play for Mike Anderson and a coach that seemingly didn’t either. Move on. This won’t be a big deal nor will it hurt recruiting. New kids recruited know what Mike Anderson is about. The fact that all those idiots followed that idiot Isiah Moore says enough to me.
I know very little about DeMeo other than he didn't do much successful recruiting for us. Having said that, the fact that he would throw in all the completely irrelevant stuff about player revolt and mistreatment of Moore (last part is laughable on its face) in a suit alleging wrongful termination based on a health condition does not make me think the substance of his wrongful termination claim has much merit. This is especially true given CMA's longstanding, well-earned reputation as a straight arrow who does things the right way.
I'm not particularly worried about this except that it puts a damper on what has otherwise been a wonderful off season. I seriously doubt that the performance review meeting went the way described in the article. No employer in their right mind today rolls their eyes when someone asks for time off for a medical procedure.
Back to the Yankees playoff qualification cliffhangers for me.
I'm not particularly worried about this except that it puts a damper on what has otherwise been a wonderful off season. I seriously doubt that the performance review meeting went the way described in the article. No employer in their right mind today rolls their eyes when someone asks for time off for a medical procedure.
Back to the Yankees playoff qualification cliffhangers for me.
MakingPlays
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Where do you guys keep getting Vince Cole from? DeMeo had nothing to do with him, that was TJ's recruit. Isiah Moore and Stef Smith are the only recruits DeMeo was the lead on that made the roster. And from listening to Stef Smith's interview he did after he committed, sounds like CMA did much of the work there as well, DeMeo was just the first to contact him.P1NSTR1PEZ post=439587 said:
https://nypost.com/2021/09/23/ex-st-johns-assistant-steve-demeo-sues-school-after-ousting/
"DeMeo played an active role in recruiting junior college transfer Isaih Moore and incoming Vermont graduate transfer Stef Smith. Moore transferred after his one and only season at St. John’s."
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I hope Demeo is able to overcome his health challenges but, there are jobs that lend themselves to work-at-home and jobs that don’t. Coaching is not one of them - its hands on and requires travel. It’s not like CMA could backfill for him while he was out. With 20+ years of bad results, SJ’s window to turn things around is short. We’ve already experienced what happens when we don’t have a full staff out recruiting.Making Plays post=439525 said:
I hope Demeo is able to overcome his health challenges but, there are jobs that lend themselves to work-at-home and jobs that don’t. Coaching is not one of them - its hands on and requires travel. It’s not like CMA could backfill for him while he was out. With 20+ years of bad results, SJ’s window to turn things around is short. We’ve already experienced what happens when we don’t have a full staff out recruiting.Making Plays post=439525 said:
I don’t think this remotely approaches the claims that SH/Willard are facing. The fact that Champagnie stayed when he had a hall pass and actively recruited others to come aboard is evidence that CMA is doing something right.RedStormNC post=439529 said:
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Ugh... just when CMA picked up his recruiting, my biggest criticism of him, this nonsense happens.
I haven't read all of the posts, but a few thoughts about these claims:
1. Clearly there's some exaggeration (COVID is a poor argument for a team without any pauses), but also some truth to it. I sensed something was off last year with the mass exodus (yes, 8 transfers is still several more than the national average) and the odd NIT decline. How much of the team took issue with CMA is the question, and was this an outlier group? I have to think so given how long he has coached without any issues. I don't expect a repeat of this anytime soon.
2. Why hasn't anyone defended CMA by denying these allegations? No current or former players (besides David's discouraging Tweet)? It's obviously great that Champ, Posh and Wusu returned and that does say something, but it's still odd. Perhaps they were advised not to say anything due to it being a legal matter.
3. Hopefully St. John's was aware of this when they signed CMA to an extension a few months ago and are confident it won't amount to anything. It still sounds like both the school and CMA should've done more to prevent this from escalating into a lawsuit since it's a bad look for them regardless.
4. This puts more pressure on CMA to reach the Tournament this year. Winning solves a lot of issues in sports and that would help to squash this. Our fanbase is hungry and despite CMA's "Coach of the Year" award, he still has yet to make the NIT or NCAA in 2 seasons, which is really the bare minimum we should expect as a fanbase by year 3. No, I'm not counting last year as an NIT appearance because enough players on the team literally quit. That's unacceptable regardless of who is at fault.
5. As for the players who bailed on the NIT and are now at low or mid-majors, they foolishly missed out on their moment of relevance. That team could've won it, or at least won a few games and got some solid ESPN exposure. Even if they lost their first game, making the NIT is something nobody ever could've taken away from them, but they stripped it from themselves. That's something I'm sure most of them will regret when their college careers are over.
I haven't read all of the posts, but a few thoughts about these claims:
1. Clearly there's some exaggeration (COVID is a poor argument for a team without any pauses), but also some truth to it. I sensed something was off last year with the mass exodus (yes, 8 transfers is still several more than the national average) and the odd NIT decline. How much of the team took issue with CMA is the question, and was this an outlier group? I have to think so given how long he has coached without any issues. I don't expect a repeat of this anytime soon.
2. Why hasn't anyone defended CMA by denying these allegations? No current or former players (besides David's discouraging Tweet)? It's obviously great that Champ, Posh and Wusu returned and that does say something, but it's still odd. Perhaps they were advised not to say anything due to it being a legal matter.
3. Hopefully St. John's was aware of this when they signed CMA to an extension a few months ago and are confident it won't amount to anything. It still sounds like both the school and CMA should've done more to prevent this from escalating into a lawsuit since it's a bad look for them regardless.
4. This puts more pressure on CMA to reach the Tournament this year. Winning solves a lot of issues in sports and that would help to squash this. Our fanbase is hungry and despite CMA's "Coach of the Year" award, he still has yet to make the NIT or NCAA in 2 seasons, which is really the bare minimum we should expect as a fanbase by year 3. No, I'm not counting last year as an NIT appearance because enough players on the team literally quit. That's unacceptable regardless of who is at fault.
5. As for the players who bailed on the NIT and are now at low or mid-majors, they foolishly missed out on their moment of relevance. That team could've won it, or at least won a few games and got some solid ESPN exposure. Even if they lost their first game, making the NIT is something nobody ever could've taken away from them, but they stripped it from themselves. That's something I'm sure most of them will regret when their college careers are over.
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You guys can bash DeMeo, and the players who left, all you want. Maybe it's warranted. However the fact of the matter is that CMA brought in DeMeo and most of the players who were part of the mass exodus(in spite of the fact that we probably/hopefully upgraded the talent, the mass exodus was not a good optic). This is not a knock on CMA as a man or as a coach, but the bottom line is that as the HC he has to bare some of the responsibility for what's happened here.