Johnnies Tidbits

[austour]

Playing at a lower level has not yielded better results for him.  The team is 1-11, and while one man doesn't make a team, has to bear what part his play is responsible for that record.   I think this board's appraisal of Dunn was way overbown in any event.   He played a nice role here, it would have been nice to have him back, but it would still be a reach to suggest we win against either Indiana or Pitt with him in the lineup.

His college career is over. He has no more eligibility and played 4.5 seasons for 3 teams.    Hopefully he is close to or has earned a degree in the fall semester.   That would make sense if he is leaving school now.

Good luck to him. He was not a problem here and played above the expectations when he transferred here.

 

It would appear that he wanted to be the man on a team and didn't realize that a team with him as the man was not going to be a very good team, even at that lower level of play.  Or maybe he thought that Robert Morris was still the team that layed the beat down on STJ in the NIT.  One thing is obvious, he didn't want to play another season at STJ.  Whether that was driven by PT, style of play, coaching style or winter weather, that decision IMO is on him.  I know a lot of guys on this board feel that either a) CMA and staff chased all of last year's transfers off the team, or b) didn't beg them enough to stay.  I am in the camp that these men made their own decisions for their own reasons and we have to wish them well and move on. They were all role players replaced by other role players.
 

 

[paultzman]

SJ 21 for 40 on FTs last two games. This in conjunction with many missed shots close to hoop obviously a bad formula.

 

[espken]

Hopefully the missed FTs and bunnies are not a byproduct of our style of play on defense. Are we wearing out the opposition or ourselves?

 

[RedStormNC]

Hopefully the missed FTs and bunnies are not a byproduct of our style of play on defense. Are we wearing out the opposition or ourselves?

I don't think it's that as we were missing those shots early in game too. Their guys played big minutes and kept up fine....Durham 37, Horchler 38, Minaya 40, Bynum 32, Watson, 29.

We were just not as good.

 

[monte]

Playing at a lower level has not yielded better results for him.  The team is 1-11, and while one man doesn't make a team, has to bear what part his play is responsible for that record.   I think this board's appraisal of Dunn was way overbown in any event.   He played a nice role here, it would have been nice to have him back, but it would still be a reach to suggest we win against either Indiana or Pitt with him in the lineup.

His college career is over. He has no more eligibility and played 4.5 seasons for 3 teams.    Hopefully he is close to or has earned a degree in the fall semester.   That would make sense if he is leaving school now.

Good luck to him. He was not a problem here and played above the expectations when he transferred here.




 

It would appear that he wanted to be the man on a team and didn't realize that a team with him as the man was not going to be a very good team, even at that lower level of play.  Or maybe he thought that Robert Morris was still the team that layed the beat down on STJ in the NIT.  One thing is obvious, he didn't want to play another season at STJ.  Whether that was driven by PT, style of play, coaching style or winter weather, that decision IMO is on him.  I know a lot of guys on this board feel that either a) CMA and staff chased all of last year's transfers off the team, or b) didn't beg them enough to stay.  I am in the camp that these men made their own decisions for their own reasons and we have to wish them well and move on. They were all role players replaced by other role players.



 

Honestly, I could care less why all those kids left. I don't care if CMA was to tough on them, if they were scared off by incoming "talent"(one of the more absurd theories on this board), or that the left thinking they were gonna be a big fish in a smaller pond. None of that matters to me. All that matters is that they left, and that they left  a coach who's system allegedly relies heavily on continuity to succeed. At the end of the day, this all falls on the shoulders of the coach. It's his job to retain and/or upgrade talent. No excuses. Now, if there had been a huge upgrade in the talent level like so many of our delusional fan base had been proclaiming without ever seeing most of the new kids play, and we had a much improved team this season, then the entire issue would be moot. But that is not the case. At best, the outgoing and incoming talent are a wash. And I'm being generous. You can defend CMA all you want by making excuses for why the kids left and by minimizing their contributions by calling them "role players", bottom line at some point you're gonna run out of excuses for why we've flatlined as a program. Ultimately CMA has to retain kids and upgrade the talent level, or we're doomed 

 

[Knight]

Regarding the transfer portal:  Are the rules the same as last season?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Regarding the transfer portal:  Are the rules the same as last season?

I believe players are only eligible for one free transfer during career, so there will still be plenty of guys exercising that ability but the pool for immediate eligible transfers won’t be quite as big.

 

[austour]

Playing at a lower level has not yielded better results for him.  The team is 1-11, and while one man doesn't make a team, has to bear what part his play is responsible for that record.   I think this board's appraisal of Dunn was way overbown in any event.   He played a nice role here, it would have been nice to have him back, but it would still be a reach to suggest we win against either Indiana or Pitt with him in the lineup.

His college career is over. He has no more eligibility and played 4.5 seasons for 3 teams.    Hopefully he is close to or has earned a degree in the fall semester.   That would make sense if he is leaving school now.

Good luck to him. He was not a problem here and played above the expectations when he transferred here.





 

It would appear that he wanted to be the man on a team and didn't realize that a team with him as the man was not going to be a very good team, even at that lower level of play.  Or maybe he thought that Robert Morris was still the team that layed the beat down on STJ in the NIT.  One thing is obvious, he didn't want to play another season at STJ.  Whether that was driven by PT, style of play, coaching style or winter weather, that decision IMO is on him.  I know a lot of guys on this board feel that either a) CMA and staff chased all of last year's transfers off the team, or b) didn't beg them enough to stay.  I am in the camp that these men made their own decisions for their own reasons and we have to wish them well and move on. They were all role players replaced by other role players.




 

Honestly, I could care less why all those kids left. I don't care if CMA was to tough on them, if they were scared off by incoming "talent"(one of the more absurd theories on this board), or that the left thinking they were gonna be a big fish in a smaller pond. None of that matters to me. All that matters is that they left, and that they left  a coach who's system allegedly relies heavily on continuity to succeed. At the end of the day, this all falls on the shoulders of the coach. It's his job to retain and/or upgrade talent. No excuses. Now, if there had been a huge upgrade in the talent level like so many of our delusional fan base had been proclaiming without ever seeing most of the new kids play, and we had a much improved team this season, then the entire issue would be moot. But that is not the case. At best, the outgoing and incoming talent are a wash. And I'm being generous. You can defend CMA all you want by making excuses for why the kids left and by minimizing their contributions by calling them "role players", bottom line at some point you're gonna run out of excuses for why we've flatlined as a program. Ultimately CMA has to retain kids and upgrade the talent level, or we're doomed 

I'm not defending CMA.  I'm just pointing out some of the faulty logic, delusional POVs and hysterical rantings of many of the posts on this board.  I tend to agree with you on the state of the program right now, though I will readily admit to having lower expectations than you for the long term ceiling of the program.  

 

[SJU61982]

FTR, It looks like next Sunday's game against Georgetown at MSG will start at 4;30 PM, since FOX is airing the Philly/Tampa Bay playoff game at 1 PM.  Both Noon and 4:30 were listed as potential start times, since it was dependent on when FOX would air the football game.

I would expect an official announcement of this on Monday.

 

[monte]

Playing at a lower level has not yielded better results for him.  The team is 1-11, and while one man doesn't make a team, has to bear what part his play is responsible for that record.   I think this board's appraisal of Dunn was way overbown in any event.   He played a nice role here, it would have been nice to have him back, but it would still be a reach to suggest we win against either Indiana or Pitt with him in the lineup.

His college career is over. He has no more eligibility and played 4.5 seasons for 3 teams.    Hopefully he is close to or has earned a degree in the fall semester.   That would make sense if he is leaving school now.

Good luck to him. He was not a problem here and played above the expectations when he transferred here.






 

It would appear that he wanted to be the man on a team and didn't realize that a team with him as the man was not going to be a very good team, even at that lower level of play.  Or maybe he thought that Robert Morris was still the team that layed the beat down on STJ in the NIT.  One thing is obvious, he didn't want to play another season at STJ.  Whether that was driven by PT, style of play, coaching style or winter weather, that decision IMO is on him.  I know a lot of guys on this board feel that either a) CMA and staff chased all of last year's transfers off the team, or b) didn't beg them enough to stay.  I am in the camp that these men made their own decisions for their own reasons and we have to wish them well and move on. They were all role players replaced by other role players.





 

Honestly, I could care less why all those kids left. I don't care if CMA was to tough on them, if they were scared off by incoming "talent"(one of the more absurd theories on this board), or that the left thinking they were gonna be a big fish in a smaller pond. None of that matters to me. All that matters is that they left, and that they left  a coach who's system allegedly relies heavily on continuity to succeed. At the end of the day, this all falls on the shoulders of the coach. It's his job to retain and/or upgrade talent. No excuses. Now, if there had been a huge upgrade in the talent level like so many of our delusional fan base had been proclaiming without ever seeing most of the new kids play, and we had a much improved team this season, then the entire issue would be moot. But that is not the case. At best, the outgoing and incoming talent are a wash. And I'm being generous. You can defend CMA all you want by making excuses for why the kids left and by minimizing their contributions by calling them "role players", bottom line at some point you're gonna run out of excuses for why we've flatlined as a program. Ultimately CMA has to retain kids and upgrade the talent level, or we're doomed 

I'm not defending CMA.  I'm just pointing out some of the faulty logic, delusional POVs and hysterical rantings of many of the posts on this board.  I tend to agree with you on the state of the program right now, though I will readily admit to having lower expectations than you for the long term ceiling of the program.  

I guess its all a matter of perspective; if your long term expectations are low, then what's happening right now may not be all as upsetting to you as someone like me, who actually thinks that we can be a consistent top 25 program with the right coach and the right support from the administration. Maybe I'm the one who's delusional. But then again so must Cragg be delusional since he's talking about bringing a national championship here. 

 

[section10]

as per barstool St. Johns  jan 8

Most Passionate College Basketball Fanbase Rankings

SJU is last in the big east.. ouch.

 

[paultzman]

https://twitter.com/amir_garrett/status/1481031282540773376?s=21

 

[ras]

as per barstool St. Johns  jan 8

Most Passionate College Basketball Fanbase Rankings

SJU is last in the big east.. ouch.
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Another problem regarding our recruiting. 
If you are a recruit and watch a game at a packed arena for another college and then watch a game at an empty Carneseca arena , it has to be a negative,


 

 

[NCJohnnie]

St. John's transfers struggling to keep up with expectations (nypost.com)

This is the article on the transfer other posters have referenced. Good article. I especially agree with the points that it wouldn't hurt for coach to run some plays for Smith to get open shots as well as Coburn if he is ever going to play.
I've liked Wheeler from the start and to his credit he's kept a good attitude and is finally getting significant minutes and increased confidence. Soriano is a good kid who continues to show progress and can play against BE bigs, just needs to stay out of foul trouble. I really like the fact that we'll have him back next year; he is a legit big which is rare for us and one of our best free throw shooters. 
I completely agree with those who say we need to see much more of Smith and a little less of Wusu and Mathis who should not be starting with Posh; that lineup only reprises the Jimmy Breslin classic Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight. I'd like to try a few games with either Wheeler or Smith replacing Mathis in the starting lineup.
Finally, assuming he's healthy and is able to practice, let's give Coburn a chance against Creighton and see if he can give us a few threes against a team that is not super quick. What do we have to lose?

 

[Knight]

Wusu is the 3rd best player on this team.  I would suggest less PT to leave him with some gas in the tank late in the game.

 

[beast of the east]

St. John's transfers struggling to keep up with expectations (nypost.com)

This is the article on the transfer other posters have referenced. Good article. I especially agree with the points that it wouldn't hurt for coach to run some plays for Smith to get open shots as well as Coburn if he is ever going to play.
I've liked Wheeler from the start and to his credit he's kept a good attitude and is finally getting significant minutes and increased confidence. Soriano is a good kid who continues to show progress and can play against BE bigs, just needs to stay out of foul trouble. I really like the fact that we'll have him back next year; he is a legit big which is rare for us and one of our best free throw shooters. 
I completely agree with those who say we need to see much more of Smith and a little less of Wusu and Mathis who should not be starting with Posh; that lineup only reprises the Jimmy Breslin classic Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight. I'd like to try a few games with either Wheeler or Smith replacing Mathis in the starting lineup.
Finally, assuming he's healthy and is able to practice, let's give Coburn a chance against Creighton and see if he can give us a few threes against a team that is not super quick. What do we have to lose?

I don't like to cite local news articles for validating what's been said here, because the local news guys get their ideas and opinions from here.

 

[ras]

What’s the story w Pinzon, we could use him.

 

[SJU14]

What’s the story w Pinzon, we could use him.

No direct knowledge of his situation but each player is required to be cleared by a doctor prior to returning to play after COVID. Zach B hinted yesterday that he is being held out for precautionary reasons even though he is allowed to travel and be with the team.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Posh Alexander is 1 of only 2 players in the country averaging at least: 
15.5 points
5 assists 
4.7 rebs 
50% fg 

He’s also 6th in the country in steals per game (2.6).

He’s somewhat quietly taken the next step as a player this year. The .50 fg% is even more impressive when you consider his perimeter struggles. Still plenty of room for improvement but you really can’t ask for more from a production standpoint. Also helps he’s about as easy a kid to root for as you’ll find. 

 

[NCJohnnie]

Amaseinyourface wrote:
Posh Alexander is 1 of only 2 players in the country averaging at least: 
15.5 points
5 assists 
4.7 rebs 
50% fg 

He’s also 6th in the country in steals per game (2.6).

He’s somewhat quietly taken the next step as a player this year. The .50 fg% is even more impressive when you consider his perimeter struggles. Still plenty of room for improvement but you really can’t ask for more from a production standpoint. Also helps he’s about as easy a kid to root for as you’ll find. 


And after yesterday he has gotten his free throw percentage up to 71%. Foul shooting is an important and underappreciated stat imho; by the nature of his game Posh will get to the line a lot (currently leads our team in attempts) and we need him to shoot mid 70s% or better from there.