Jermaine Lawrence

Wow. There's got to be way more to this than meets the eye. Given all the baggage about the handler, etc (including the disparaging tweet about Cronin on Lawrence's twitter account) I don't blame Lavin for not closing out on this one. And while Lawrence appears to have a ton of potential, it's been two years now since he's actually shown it. Next!

PS: We still need a shooter badly IMO. At this late stage, better hope that Greene can deliver on that front next year.
 
No inside info but dont feel too confident in this one.

I wouldn't worry. I think we'll have it worked out by next weekend.
It's good for us that his list is exclusively hometown teams, as the waiver looks completely legit (not saying it isn't).
I know others will go crazy at the notion, but I think Thomas was a bigger need for us.

What I tell ya ;)

At least my boy Thomas won't have his PT stolen!

nor my boy Jones
 
I didn't need it to be Lawrence (especially considering the red flags), but we really should have brought in another 2014 forward.

If KT is as good as advertised, I think the team will be ok down low. Between him and Obekpa, we should be solid in the rebounding dept. The bigger problem is, once again, the lack of shooting. Harrison and Jordan are very good guards, but both are streaky shooters. Greene IV is probably the best spot shooter on the team. Every year Lavin tries to address the issue, albeit unsuccessfully (i.e. Bourgault and Hooper). It's most likely too late to address it for next season, which is unfortunate because IMO they are going to have a hard time reaching that next level w/o a deep threat.
 
Opponents will now go back to a "stop Harrison, stop St. John's" strategy. Jordan's improvement should be able to counter that somewhat. We don't even know if Keith Thomas can be anything other than a good rebounder at a Big East level. Hopefully Obekpa has worked on a post game during the off season.
 
Well if nothing else this was entertaining. We went from alleged addition by subtraction in Sampson because he was showcasing his perimeter game for the next level...to allegedly getting better with Lawrence, who despite any potential appears to be the worst attributes of Sampson exacerbated a few degrees (2 and 2 as a frosh in the AAC v. 15 and 7 and ROY as a frosh in what was the best conference in the country; what seems like plenty of baggage v. a kid who never did anything but stick it out with this program with a smile on his face)...to of course now being better off without Lawrence as well.

IMO this all worked out just fine. I think we will miss Sampson more than we realize in a classic "grass is always greener" scenario, but do buy into certain ways that he didn't optimize his output and how that negatively impacted us at times this year. I also see the intrigue in any prospect with the potential of Lawrence, but when you add everything up the last 18 months for him and the instability of the last 36 months for SJU this may be for the best. I was certainly in the "let's take a chance on adding him camp", but can't say I'm not somewhat relieved it's not coming to fruition.

If there's one thing this team has going for it there's no confusion who the team belongs to. We lacked identity on offense for too much of last year with too many guys who wanted to take their swipes at being the guy. We won't have scoring depth, and if we can't have that I'd rather have 2 guys who can really score with complete clarity that those are our guys...vs. a number of guys who are legends in their own minds in terms of scoring ability but can't really deliver which creates confusion. We have trimmed some of that from last year and Lawrence certainly seems like a candidate to add right back to it.

Think Christian Jones is going to surprise as a 3rd or 4th scoring option. Has the ability but will know his role behind Jordan and Harrison. Also thinks he takes the necessary step forward on the backboards after this past year of development.
 
Where is Rawdognyc so we can lynch him :)

smfh...I am stunned... I feel let down by this source and by JL...Very foolish decision that he will ultimately regret...I really want to throw this guy under the bus cuz he has ties to recruits and our university and I'm annoyed that he made me look like a fool..Sorry fellas... Won't post what I hear anymore
We appreciate you posting what you here. These kids are fickle and change their minds. Why a 5 star recruit would go to Manhattan,Hofstra or Iona is beyond me.
 
Well if nothing else this was entertaining. We went from alleged addition by subtraction in Sampson because he was showcasing his perimeter game for the next level...to allegedly getting better with Lawrence, who despite any potential appears to be the worst attributes of Sampson exacerbated a few degrees (2 and 2 as a frosh in the AAC v. 15 and 7 and ROY as a frosh in what was the best conference in the country; what seems like plenty of baggage v. a kid who never did anything but stick it out with this program with a smile on his face)...to of course now being better off without Lawrence as well.

IMO this all worked out just fine. I think we will miss Sampson more than we realize in a classic "grass is always greener" scenario, but do buy into certain ways that he didn't optimize his output and how that negatively impacted us at times this year. I also see the intrigue in any prospect with the potential of Lawrence, but when you add everything up the last 18 months for him and the instability of the last 36 months for SJU this may be for the best. I was certainly in the "let's take a chance on adding him camp", but can't say I'm not somewhat relieved it's not coming to fruition.

If there's one thing this team has going for it there's no confusion who the team belongs to. We lacked identity on offense for too much of last year with too many guys who wanted to take their swipes at being the guy. We won't have scoring depth, and if we can't have that I'd rather have 2 guys who can really score with complete clarity that those are our guys...vs. a number of guys who are legends in their own minds in terms of scoring ability but can't really deliver which creates confusion. We have trimmed some of that from last year and Lawrence certainly seems like a candidate to add right back to it.

Think Christian Jones is going to surprise as a 3rd or 4th scoring option. Has the ability but will know his role behind Jordan and Harrison. Also thinks he takes the necessary step forward on the backboards after this past year of development.


Great post, as usual.

I think a lot of posters will miss Karr a lot, but the fact that he made that head scratching move to leave prematurely shocked a lot of posters and caused some bad things to be said about him. Sure, if his goal is the NBA then the decision was bad. But we don't know that for sure. Maybe going to Europe opened his eyes to playing against professional competition in Europe or just any where overseas.

In the documentary "Fab Five" Jalen Rose said something when talking about a trip they took to Europe after their freshman year. It was along the lines of this:

"Going to Europe really opened our eyes; we are playing against professional teams, people are getting payed to play here, and it's not us."

Jakarr might've had a similar experience, and maybe he's fine with having a career overseas. I hope he does well. Remember this is a kid who was ruled academically in eligible, and he fought against adversity (similar to Harrison) and came back to St. John's. Another high character and great guy.

Looking at next year, I am too confident jones can step up. He played a quality game two years ago against a team that would go on to the elite eight. Against Marquette at the garden. He scored 10 points, pulled down six boards, all in 20 minutes, and shot 5-9 from the field. Against a top 15 opponent. He also had a thunderous dunk in that second half that really got the small crowd into it.

I think he will do well, and ontop of everything he looks like he put on some serious muscle during his redshirt season. I've said yesterday I didn't want Lawrence, and part of the reason is because I am not sold on his skill set and attitude, but another reason is because I like the guys we have already.
 
We didn't get Lawrence so we move on. I don't know if he was the right fit for what this team needs right now anyway. Although, as most have stated, with his potential upside you take him anyway if he wants to come here. Posters have stated that maybe we should bring in a 3 star recruit who can shoot. The type of players who consistently have killed us over the past few years. Does anyone with ties to the program on this boards know if Myles Stewart is that type of kid. I know he was a 3 star kid and I heard he can shoot. But I'm not tied into the program like some on this board. Is there any chance that this kid surprises us at the small forward spot?
 
Opponents will now go back to a "stop Harrison, stop St. John's" strategy. Jordan's improvement should be able to counter that somewhat. We don't even know if Keith Thomas can be anything other than a good rebounder at a Big East level. Hopefully Obekpa has worked on a post game during the off season.

1. Jermaine Lawrence was not guaranteed a starting spot. A crazy demand by a crazy ass person.
2. His shooting % on the college level was abysmal. No defense was going to focus on him instead of Harrison or Jordan.
3. We did not need a Sampson replacement with poorer scoring and poorer attitude.
4. Regardless of his HS ranking a kid that truly has 5* potential should be willing to work for his minutes and not have them dictated by some bitch. Kid has proven once again he is a pussy and a fraud using his dad's illness (?) to get star treatment. Would not be surprised if he is not granted a waiver. The only thing he will remember after leaving college about the NBA is it should have meant No Bitch Allowed.

PS. JL and his family should have buried the relationship to this lard ass in a HardGrave!
 
Well if nothing else this was entertaining. We went from alleged addition by subtraction in Sampson because he was showcasing his perimeter game for the next level...to allegedly getting better with Lawrence, who despite any potential appears to be the worst attributes of Sampson exacerbated a few degrees (2 and 2 as a frosh in the AAC v. 15 and 7 and ROY as a frosh in what was the best conference in the country; what seems like plenty of baggage v. a kid who never did anything but stick it out with this program with a smile on his face)...to of course now being better off without Lawrence as well.

IMO this all worked out just fine. I think we will miss Sampson more than we realize in a classic "grass is always greener" scenario, but do buy into certain ways that he didn't optimize his output and how that negatively impacted us at times this year. I also see the intrigue in any prospect with the potential of Lawrence, but when you add everything up the last 18 months for him and the instability of the last 36 months for SJU this may be for the best. I was certainly in the "let's take a chance on adding him camp", but can't say I'm not somewhat relieved it's not coming to fruition.

If there's one thing this team has going for it there's no confusion who the team belongs to. We lacked identity on offense for too much of last year with too many guys who wanted to take their swipes at being the guy. We won't have scoring depth, and if we can't have that I'd rather have 2 guys who can really score with complete clarity that those are our guys...vs. a number of guys who are legends in their own minds in terms of scoring ability but can't really deliver which creates confusion. We have trimmed some of that from last year and Lawrence certainly seems like a candidate to add right back to it.

Think Christian Jones is going to surprise as a 3rd or 4th scoring option. Has the ability but will know his role behind Jordan and Harrison. Also thinks he takes the necessary step forward on the backboards after this past year of development.

Great post.
With Sampson it's not what we are losing as much as it is what he could have been next year. Lawrence was Sampson 2.0...but with drama and baggage. I'm glad Coach stuck to his guns on this one. I've been pretty against JL, but the potential is intriguing. It's not easy to pass on a talent like that.
 
My main source of info is this board and from reading the thread I agree with Jack W100%

Not specific to the topic at hand but if this is true you are horribly misinformed. ;)

But seriously as long as you know how to filter fact from fantasy you'll get the highest volume of information from the the fanatics on board, just have to learn which fanatics are taking their meds and you'll be cool.
 
Well if nothing else this was entertaining. We went from alleged addition by subtraction in Sampson because he was showcasing his perimeter game for the next level...to allegedly getting better with Lawrence, who despite any potential appears to be the worst attributes of Sampson exacerbated a few degrees (2 and 2 as a frosh in the AAC v. 15 and 7 and ROY as a frosh in what was the best conference in the country; what seems like plenty of baggage v. a kid who never did anything but stick it out with this program with a smile on his face)...to of course now being better off without Lawrence as well.

IMO this all worked out just fine. I think we will miss Sampson more than we realize in a classic "grass is always greener" scenario, but do buy into certain ways that he didn't optimize his output and how that negatively impacted us at times this year. I also see the intrigue in any prospect with the potential of Lawrence, but when you add everything up the last 18 months for him and the instability of the last 36 months for SJU this may be for the best. I was certainly in the "let's take a chance on adding him camp", but can't say I'm not somewhat relieved it's not coming to fruition.

If there's one thing this team has going for it there's no confusion who the team belongs to. We lacked identity on offense for too much of last year with too many guys who wanted to take their swipes at being the guy. We won't have scoring depth, and if we can't have that I'd rather have 2 guys who can really score with complete clarity that those are our guys...vs. a number of guys who are legends in their own minds in terms of scoring ability but can't really deliver which creates confusion. We have trimmed some of that from last year and Lawrence certainly seems like a candidate to add right back to it.

Think Christian Jones is going to surprise as a 3rd or 4th scoring option. Has the ability but will know his role behind Jordan and Harrison. Also thinks he takes the necessary step forward on the backboards after this past year of development.

Great post.
With Sampson it's not what we are losing as much as it is what he could have been next year. Lawrence was Sampson 2.0...but with drama and baggage. I'm glad Coach stuck to his guns on this one. I've been pretty against JL, but the potential is intriguing. It's not easy to pass on a talent like that.

Agreed. I think this will work out just fine. We are going to have less "paper talent" and "potential upside" next year, but we may be a more cohesive group. Frankly it's a trade I'm willing to make.

As Lawrence was likely the last big variable in terms of next years' roster, the two keys to the season are starting to crystallize I think: (1) the role-specific contributions from the forwards (Thomas, Jones, and Dom), and (2) the staff putting Jordan and Harrison in a system where they can play-make without having to go 1 on 5 as much as they did this year. They are going to get their points no matter what, but both have demonstrated plus interior passing ability, and in the right sets will create layup/dunks and open 3s for others with ease. To me that element is even more important than the 30+ they are going to average for us, because they'll get that just by the ball being rolled out there. How much the staff sets them up to facilitate easy baskets for others will determine how good the offense will be.
 
Well if nothing else this was entertaining. We went from alleged addition by subtraction in Sampson because he was showcasing his perimeter game for the next level...to allegedly getting better with Lawrence, who despite any potential appears to be the worst attributes of Sampson exacerbated a few degrees (2 and 2 as a frosh in the AAC v. 15 and 7 and ROY as a frosh in what was the best conference in the country; what seems like plenty of baggage v. a kid who never did anything but stick it out with this program with a smile on his face)...to of course now being better off without Lawrence as well.

IMO this all worked out just fine. I think we will miss Sampson more than we realize in a classic "grass is always greener" scenario, but do buy into certain ways that he didn't optimize his output and how that negatively impacted us at times this year. I also see the intrigue in any prospect with the potential of Lawrence, but when you add everything up the last 18 months for him and the instability of the last 36 months for SJU this may be for the best. I was certainly in the "let's take a chance on adding him camp", but can't say I'm not somewhat relieved it's not coming to fruition.

If there's one thing this team has going for it there's no confusion who the team belongs to. We lacked identity on offense for too much of last year with too many guys who wanted to take their swipes at being the guy. We won't have scoring depth, and if we can't have that I'd rather have 2 guys who can really score with complete clarity that those are our guys...vs. a number of guys who are legends in their own minds in terms of scoring ability but can't really deliver which creates confusion. We have trimmed some of that from last year and Lawrence certainly seems like a candidate to add right back to it.

Think Christian Jones is going to surprise as a 3rd or 4th scoring option. Has the ability but will know his role behind Jordan and Harrison. Also thinks he takes the necessary step forward on the backboards after this past year of development.

Great post.
With Sampson it's not what we are losing as much as it is what he could have been next year. Lawrence was Sampson 2.0...but with drama and baggage. I'm glad Coach stuck to his guns on this one. I've been pretty against JL, but the potential is intriguing. It's not easy to pass on a talent like that.

Agreed. I think this will work out just fine. We are going to have less "paper talent" and "potential upside" next year, but we may be a more cohesive group. Frankly it's a trade I'm willing to make.

As Lawrence was likely the last big variable in terms of next years' roster, the two keys to the season are starting to crystallize I think: (1) the role-specific contributions from the forwards (Thomas, Jones, and Dom), and (2) the staff putting Jordan and Harrison in a system where they can play-make without having to go 1 on 5 as much as they did this year. They are going to get their points no matter what, but both have demonstrated plus interior passing ability, and in the right sets will create layup/dunks and open 3s for others with ease. To me that element is even more important than the 30+ they are going to average for us, because they'll get that just by the ball being rolled out there. How much the staff sets them up to facilitate easy baskets for others will determine how good the offense will be.

Solid post. It is critical for staff to establish system you referred to. IMO, it is important to keep Dee & Jordan from getting frustrated via the 1 on five scenario you describe. Our offensive approach last season was a mess. Hopefully that will change and reflect the abilities and limitations of the group.
 
JL non-arrival may also signal that Diallo ADR, Obekpa, Thomas, Jones, and others loom as more PT competition than JL and perhaps his handler wants and that he was trying to avoid a repeat of his first year at Cinci.
 
JL non-arrival may also signal that Diallo ADR, Obekpa, Thomas, Jones, and others loom as more PT competition than JL and perhaps his handler wants and that he was trying to avoid a repeat of his first year at Cinci.

Stef:

This whole saga is B.S.
Who ever heard of a "handler" when we were kids?
Good riddance to J.L. and his "handler"
I would expect that they would be able to negotiate a better deal elsewhere
 
Lavin should have promised him the damn playing time. What a mess.

And I was on the verge of having faith in this this coach again. My mistake.
 
Lavin should have promised him the damn playing time. What a mess.

And I was on the verge of having faith in this this coach again. My mistake.

Sarcasm, right?

No, I meant it MJ. I'm venting a little bit sure. But a lot of top kids get a playing time promise, it's not like that is an unheard of request.
UK and Duke can afford to tell kids they'll have to compete for playing time. We can't.

For all our sakes I hope he lands Briscoe and Diallo, otherwise this whole Lavin-era is on the verge of looking like one big turd.
 
Lavin should have promised him the damn playing time. What a mess.

And I was on the verge of having faith in this this coach again. My mistake.

Sarcasm, right?

No, I meant it MJ. I'm venting a little bit sure. But a lot of top kids get a playing time promise, it's not like that is an unheard of request.
UK and Duke can afford to tell kids they'll have to compete for playing time. We can't.

For all our sakes I hope he lands Briscoe and Diallo, otherwise this whole Lavin-era is on the verge of looking like one big turd.

Based on what I've heard, there is a quite a difference between being promised playing time versus dealing with a bunch of poppycock.
 
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