Harrison suspended rest of the year
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I don't agree that this is the best post. We should all want him back if he gets his act together enough for Coach to take him back on the team. He was suspended, not kicked off the team for good. Coach is apparently holding out some hope for him, so why shouldn't we?
beast of the east
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Let's also be realistic. It's also very good politics not to kick him off the team entirely. It would smack of a coach who does something extreme, and really hurts the kid's chance of transferring to another good D1 program. I am fairly confident that both player and coach, while leaving the door open, are planning for a life apart from each other. Obviously Harrison doesn't have a lot of respect for coaches, and obviously the coaches were fed up with his behavior. My guess is he announces he is transferring within the next 60 days or so.
I don't see the benefit of transferring although someone as emotional as he might trigger that reaction. Of course, that is not what Lavin said was his reaction. Sitting out a year may help him mature but it also might make him more bitter and intense. Family members meeting with him hopefully for his sake will be wise and encourage him to return. We should hope
He will be a junior, with both this lesson and with more support on the court around him. He is driven to succeed and this team is a winner next year. There is no reason to believe Lavin won't give him another chance. He admitted he had not given him the "shape up or ship out" talk before. This is an in your face proxy for that talk. I believe SJU and the team and the player are all better off with his return after the "cooling off" period of the next eight months.
He will be a junior, with both this lesson and with more support on the court around him. He is driven to succeed and this team is a winner next year. There is no reason to believe Lavin won't give him another chance. He admitted he had not given him the "shape up or ship out" talk before. This is an in your face proxy for that talk. I believe SJU and the team and the player are all better off with his return after the "cooling off" period of the next eight months.
westchesterjoe
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Harrison has talent but, has let it diminish by his attitude, personality issues.. Anyone, not blind, has to be embarrassed by the continual bad behavior he exhibited in games and on the sideline..Watch any game and his attitude is apparent.
In sports, it's expected that a player not cheap shot or display disrespect for his team, teammates , coaches and school he represents. Harrison was negligent in all of these areas.
Personality disorders are a bona fide mental illness and treatment is available..Often times, the person afflicted is not aware of how disruptive or damaging their behavior has become. And, it usually comes to a boiling point when the behavior becomes so outrageous that it cannot be tolerated by those interacting with the disruptive person.
No parent likes to get the note home from the Teacher that says Little Johnny has gone too far but, it happens a lot these days.. I've read here and on the press releases that Harrison's grandmother is coming to bring him home and help him decide on what's next for him.. Family support is important and this lady is doing the best she can.
If I recall correctly, Harrison's brother is in prison, serving time for murder.. It's been documented that DLO was close with this brother and despaired over the plight of his sibling. Which is certainly a lot for a 19-20 year old to deal with..
Family issues and seemingly unsolvable problems do contribute to how a person conducts their life. Rage, anger are not positive personality attributes and sooner or, later do get the person in trouble.
In some ways, getting suspended from a BB team for bad conduct might just be the wake up call for the person to get help with their problems..
i hope D'Angelo gets whatever help and support he needs to lead a better life.. And, he will soon realize whatever dreams he has regarding a pro career will not be realized until his perspective changes and he can control his emotions and not act out. No NBA team will be opening doors for any player that brings severe issues to the table that are disruptive.. And, the NBA is pretty lenient but, only so much can be tolerated.. I think the Rockets have tried all year to deal with their 1st round draft pick, Smith, I believe his name is, on a whole spectrum of mental illness issues and, without success.
So, there is a lot more for DLO to deal with than just BB at this time.. And, like so much in life, it's up to him and him alone, to make those decisions.. Hopefully, the right ones.
I'm not a professional therapist or medical provider but,one need not be one to see the progression of behavior for DLO over the season. It's very sad for this young man but, he's young enough to change his life.
In sports, it's expected that a player not cheap shot or display disrespect for his team, teammates , coaches and school he represents. Harrison was negligent in all of these areas.
Personality disorders are a bona fide mental illness and treatment is available..Often times, the person afflicted is not aware of how disruptive or damaging their behavior has become. And, it usually comes to a boiling point when the behavior becomes so outrageous that it cannot be tolerated by those interacting with the disruptive person.
No parent likes to get the note home from the Teacher that says Little Johnny has gone too far but, it happens a lot these days.. I've read here and on the press releases that Harrison's grandmother is coming to bring him home and help him decide on what's next for him.. Family support is important and this lady is doing the best she can.
If I recall correctly, Harrison's brother is in prison, serving time for murder.. It's been documented that DLO was close with this brother and despaired over the plight of his sibling. Which is certainly a lot for a 19-20 year old to deal with..
Family issues and seemingly unsolvable problems do contribute to how a person conducts their life. Rage, anger are not positive personality attributes and sooner or, later do get the person in trouble.
In some ways, getting suspended from a BB team for bad conduct might just be the wake up call for the person to get help with their problems..
i hope D'Angelo gets whatever help and support he needs to lead a better life.. And, he will soon realize whatever dreams he has regarding a pro career will not be realized until his perspective changes and he can control his emotions and not act out. No NBA team will be opening doors for any player that brings severe issues to the table that are disruptive.. And, the NBA is pretty lenient but, only so much can be tolerated.. I think the Rockets have tried all year to deal with their 1st round draft pick, Smith, I believe his name is, on a whole spectrum of mental illness issues and, without success.
So, there is a lot more for DLO to deal with than just BB at this time.. And, like so much in life, it's up to him and him alone, to make those decisions.. Hopefully, the right ones.
I'm not a professional therapist or medical provider but,one need not be one to see the progression of behavior for DLO over the season. It's very sad for this young man but, he's young enough to change his life.
Did you miss the Gtown games where Dlo was tagged the whole time? It was shades of Wingate and Mullin all the way just like Daddy Thompson did. but with more sophistication by JTIII. From there on you could count the amount of open jumpers he got on two hands going forward. Unfortunately Lavin's offense really revolved around him and you could see the frustration he faced. Yeah he forced some shots but he hit several too and I attribute the whole thing to an ineffective offense running without a PG. He did rebound a lot better during that period and came up with some superior passes which belied the one dimensional accusations I've been hearing. Never once did he enjoy the open shots that guys like Heslip and Woodall had against us. As far as I'm concerned if his infractions didn't involve drugs, academics or some sort of violence he got a royal screwing that should never happen to unpaid players who play as hard as he did. I recall plenty of times Justin Burrell stood around on both ends of the court and nothing ever happened to him except the trumped up 6th man award.that Lavin arranged. That was a guy who cried all night long and set a lousy example for his team. Then you had a guy like Evans who never once questioned a call getting pinned to the bench after a solid three year body of work. Funny how guidance from above only goes one way with no thought to kids who are getting a raw deal under the guise of allegiance to a "System" which did nothing but yield open threes that cost us games. Dunlap finally intervened in his behalf but most of the damage was already done. What I'm seeing is a coach who can't handle his team, can't build a balanced roster and is currently falling on his face acquiring the players we need to get to the next level of performance. Sound familiar to any of you who systematically knocked his predecessor?
redstorm89
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-suspends-top-scorer-rest-season-article-1.1276871
roger rubin's version of story
roger rubin's version of story
westchesterjoe
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Wow! A lot of guys so prominent on the former Board posting here on the Harrison issue.. Beastie, Bobre, Lawman, Marillac,mjmaher, danman, DHJ,etc.. Good to see their view anyway you look at it.
Maybe THE MAVEN, HTGS, WASJ, slyfoxx,kob,PMG, etc will kick in too.. Not FUN though..He's running his own sideshow..and, happily answering his own posts.The Clown avatar says it all..
Maybe THE MAVEN, HTGS, WASJ, slyfoxx,kob,PMG, etc will kick in too.. Not FUN though..He's running his own sideshow..and, happily answering his own posts.The Clown avatar says it all..
redstorm89
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yeah please no Fun. clowns scare me.
Pray4change
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Tough pill to swallow for us all. Can our program take significant set backs like this and compete at high levels? We can't seem to catch a break. Seems like its always one step forward and two steps back. Our program has dealt with significant adversity forever it seems. Just can't seem be put the right components together for a sustainable competitive program, and now with is negative press it will probably make it more difficult to attract kids to play at the school. Our the Lavin era unfolds will be interesting to watch. It will either be he pulled us out of e depths of despair into a winning program, or we'll continue to be a struggling mid major program in the same vein as our Vincentian friends at DePaul. No correlation to Vincentian leadership at DePaul and SJU and poorly managed programs are there? And the other thing I am sure we are all thinking about is lavin saying to himself now.. "What the heck did I get myself into"? I know that's what Keady told him when Lavin first told Keady of his desire to go to St Johns. Keady is telling Steve now I told you so, but I am here now and trying to help..
I do tend to rely on facts, something you eschew regularly. To me you are the guys with the obsession and I'm happy to be the object of it. Now if "on the cusp" Sean manages to grab a contract it will be one last fact that I get to shove so far up your butts you'll need search parties with high forceps to remove it. Something to really looks forward to. Until then enjoy this period of colorectal quietude.
I give Coach Lavin much praise for being a educator/coach, and most of all a man who has some level of self accountablility and expectation. Probably it would have been much easier just let things ride, 3 more games in the regular season and anything that came after that. Heck he put up with deportment that disappointed many people, but they would put up with the negagtive stuff just to see our guys out on the floor giving more than they took. Just three more games or so..... but it kept festering. It had to have an effect on the other kids.It had to drive the coaching staff nuts, and finally for some reason we may never know. What single thing put it over the top, but it surely did go over and Coach stood up and said I want to win, I want our kids to feel good about themselves. BUT, the time has come, we must act.He did what a man with expectations and accountablilty would do, and there aren't too many coaches who would deal with what Lavin was about to deal with. It might backfire, could it be a mistake? A man who is building something specal sometimes has to take a chance or two along the way. Only 3 games to go, why rock the boat now? I think coach Lavin rocked the boat, because the boat needed rocking. Oh, I enjoyed Harrison a lot, but there were times when he would make me cuss. What kind of man would jeapordize his own future? I think a man who was building something special. A man guided by self expectations, and self accountability. Sometimes when you build something special you have got to take some chances, I am proud of Coach Lavin. No one is bigger than the program itself. If Harrison quietly reflects on what has happened he may swallow hard and may want to go up to Coach and tell him thanks Coach for caring enough.