Harrison suspended rest of the year
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brooklyndon1
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i understand that but ive seen many an occasion when it should have been done sooner. also at the rate im going i might break the karma record lol not that i care
How was Polee a risk? He was academically qualified, was one of highest ranked seniors -- if not the highest -- available when Lavin took over the program, kept his nose clean while he was here, and played hard. Was he overrated? Yes (he's actually averaging fewer ppg at San Diego State than he did with us and seeing less PT as well), but that's a risk you take with just about any kid coming out of high school.
Did Harrison have a bad-boy reputation coming out of high school. If he did, I don't remember hearing about it. So it didn't seem like a risk at the time. And Sampson and Garrett are both wearing St. John's uniforms, and Sanchez happily will be here next year ... and all three have their heads screwed on right. So whatever risk Lavin took with them, it's ultimately paid off. We're not Kentucky, Duke, or Kansas, or another elite program. They don't have to take risks; they simply get the best of the best each year. We're a program struggling to get back to being a top 25 program, and we're not going get there without taking some risks.
jrhoops1949
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Coach Steve did not wait until now to suspend DH. Something Harrison did precipitated his suspension. What could be asked is why Harrison did not takes his coaches and teammates feelings and hard work into account by seeing to it that he behave properly. Players accept schollies, want the playing time and the big shots and then behave in less then a responsible way. Maybe he don't want the time or the big shot. Thats something coach must find out.
westchesterjoe
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A couple of things....First, with apologies to Beastie, whom I know from the other board and met some years ago, Bobby Knight never recruits DLO , neither do Coack K, Crean and handfuls of other Coaches.. Maybe Cal would have at Memphis but, not the Kentucky Cal. Even, in HS he was not their kind of player.. I believe Lavin took a shot on DLO, as he did with some of the other kids of his 1st Recruits, hoping he could develop him as a player and person.
Second, I doubt very seriously we ever see Harrison again in a St.John's uniform. Where does he go? Europe probably.
Second, I doubt very seriously we ever see Harrison again in a St.John's uniform. Where does he go? Europe probably.
Good Westhester - as opposed to Winchester etc.
Probably someone already alluded to this. Coach Lavin is terrific and in such a short time (for this impatient culture/society) has, as the term goes, made us "relevant", adapted to a dozen inherited Roberts' players and got to the NCAA, recruited well and put us on the "consideration" charts of top high school players, introduced us once again - after decades of drought - to coverage in the best media airways.
I get a real kick when people critique Steve Lavin. He put togather a marvelous staff, attracted money donors, enhanced the image and coverage - why did he not also get the kids their own (or enhanced) locker room at MSG? All this while stung by cancer and, of course, the recent tragedy which all of us sooner or later are dealt in the cards.I miss my father, don't you?
The song whowcan explain it, who can tell us why? Fools give us reasons, wisemen (and ladies) never try (know the show???).
The program is in its best shape since Bobby whatever-his-name-was playing chess against the Russian; since Rutherford B. (as in basketball) Hayes was in office; since Bonomo's Turkish Taffy was still on candy store counters. Get it? Get me?
What would we like what we had or what we now have under Coach Lavin?
Who could have done better in such a short spurt?
Want to re-hire Jarvis, Roberts, Fran the (less than a mature) man, whatever.
all the best to Harrison - come, come now, no one knows (but the shadow) if he plays again or not. I'm glad SJU took a stand. No one has all the "real" facts - but why second guess the Coach? Is there any reason to doubt that he had a valid reason for such drastic response as suspension? WOld it not have been easier to slide by and keep Harrison in the lineup?
all the best to you, youze guyze and gals.
SJU is in good hands, better than All State, right now and ahead.
beast of the east
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Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I also believe that someone else posted that he shot under 25% in his last 8 games. Not exactly a AARP shooter. Since I enjoy watching a TEAM game, win or lose, I will enjoy watching te team better without his antics and selfish play. The Syracuse game did it for me.
Did you mean NRA shooter, as opposed to AARP? I don't get the connection, otherwise.
The poster whom you've responded to is the same poster who I recalled moaned and groaned during our 5-game winning streak, SS&G. We wasn't beating the titans of the conference during the winning streak, but we were winning, nonetheless.
Honestly.... How can one take a poster seriously or feel they are objective about certain matters when they seemed irked after our 5-game winning streak?
This sucks. Absolutely freaking sucks.
Yeah it's on Lavin but at the same time there is no way I blame Lavin for recruiting him because this is no different than an employer hiring an employee who turns into a problem. You just dont know until they start working for you no matter how many background checks you do.
That being said while D'lo's defense was suspect at times so is a lot of other players and D'lo had balls of steel and wanted the ball which I respect.
But he also needs to get with the program and you need to be a leader on the court and off the court and if he wasnt doing that which I suspect is highly likely based on KOB and Choz then absolutely Lavin did the right thing. If he doesnt come back I wish him the best. I really hope he learns from this and comes back or at least learns from this and becomes a better person.
Life is a learning experience. Yeah this hurts us big time this year and pisses me off as a fan but no one is above the team and maybe in the long term it's better for everyone that this happens instead of just being buried under the rug and pushed off
Yeah it's on Lavin but at the same time there is no way I blame Lavin for recruiting him because this is no different than an employer hiring an employee who turns into a problem. You just dont know until they start working for you no matter how many background checks you do.
That being said while D'lo's defense was suspect at times so is a lot of other players and D'lo had balls of steel and wanted the ball which I respect.
But he also needs to get with the program and you need to be a leader on the court and off the court and if he wasnt doing that which I suspect is highly likely based on KOB and Choz then absolutely Lavin did the right thing. If he doesnt come back I wish him the best. I really hope he learns from this and comes back or at least learns from this and becomes a better person.
Life is a learning experience. Yeah this hurts us big time this year and pisses me off as a fan but no one is above the team and maybe in the long term it's better for everyone that this happens instead of just being buried under the rug and pushed off
Class of 72
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LOL!!!
Jordan is down to 3 schools. There is a 33.3% chance he goes to either Temple, UCLA or St. John's.
According to his own high school coach, RJ seems to change his mind weekly. That is not unusual with late signees and the major reason they comprise the last 10% of players uncommitted..........it is because they are undecided.
Hence, there is obviously no clear favorite.
The Harrison suspension just opened up an opportunity for him as he is a combo guard and not a pure PG. As for Harrison returning....you can forget it! As in the Nurideen Lindsey case, I suspect his mother will be coming to NYC in a matter of days to help him pack his belongings.
From what I heard, the amount of disrespect for the coach (s) became intolerable. That type of behavior can spread to other players and whether he was averaging 18 pts or as in more recent games 8 points, his distraction was not in the team's best interest.
When I posted the other day that one or two players could leave on their own or be asked to leave, it was based on what I was being told.
Today's announcement was no surprise to me.
I have no opinion on whether Harrison should have been suspended for the rest of the season or only a game or two, and whether the onus is all on Harrison or if some of the burden lies with the coaching staff for how this all got side-tracked.
However, in response to you Moose - presuming Harrison does not return next year (forget about this year for now): I do think we can replace his contributions on the court. Basically the team will have to learn more to play like a team - and not rely on one-on-one play. We have not displayed a very good working offense this year, in fact it's been pretty damn ugly to watch. However we also didn't have Branch for the vast majority of this year's minutes and we also didn't have Sanchez. Apparently Sanchez is a very good passer. Branch has shown that he can pass as well. The two of them together should be able to act to facilitate for others.
Perhaps just as important as replacing Harrison's points is the defense that Sanchez brings and Gift will bring off the bench. With Dom, Obekpa, Sanchez and Sampson getting the majority of the forward/center minutes - we should be ridiculous on defense. As far as scoring points - Marco will continue to get burn to shoot, and hopefully Greene takes 50,000 jump shots this off-season. Also, if Harrison doesn't return, does Lavin offer Severe or someone of his ilk if Rysheed Jordan doesn't show up? To me, the most important thing for next year's scoring is: Can Sanchez really pass and facilitate? Can Branch step-up? Can Greene improve his jump shot? Can Obekpa improve his free throw shooting? Do we sign Rysheed, or have a back-up plan like Severe?
In summary - I hope that Harrison returns if both the coaches and him can get together on the same game plan. If that doesn't happen, I think the point is we should have a lot of options for offense next year; and we really should be a lock for killer defense next year. I believe we will be a potent team.
Thoughts?
W are an offensively challenged team and this hurts big time.
However, maybe the team will step up and play a superior brand of bball.
Only time will tell.
However, maybe the team will step up and play a superior brand of bball.
Only time will tell.
What's the story with Mr. Branch? Will he play much?
This is an opportunity for others to step up.
thanks
all the best
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I agree to some extent. Guards should always have lower FG pcts than big men. And his are worse than they might otherwise be because he was regularly handed the ball with 12 to shoot and told to go figure something out. However he certainly didn't help himself with some poor/selfish decisionmaking in his shot selection. And a significant portion of the blame goes to the staff for failing to design even the most basic offense to create open looks, for players to move without the ball, to set screens, or really anything that would look like more than a schoolyard game.
As long as we are on the staff, Harrison is just the latest entry in a line of players who they took risks on and didn't work out. Lindsey, Pelle, Polee among others. Sampson, Garrett, Sanchez ended up playing but only after long delays. Hopefully now that there is a base of talent in the program they will start to make more careful recruiting decisions.
I'm being repetitious: patience
He who can have patience can have what he will - Roman Emperor Titus Flavius something or other - I'll locate his correct name later
Ladies and Gentlemen: Look where we were and where Coach Lavin has taken us - end of the discussion. We were nothing; we are good and getting better and the top twenty can't be far behind/ahead, whatever
goodnight to all and to all a goodnight (I'm an early riser)
To me Harrison is a punk, with that smirk on his face. I`m glad he`s gone.
He`s not a very good shooter anyway, but he acts like he`s the man.
Wanna go game by game since the game at G-Town? ok
one of the last 6 games he had a good shooting game. Vs who? USF who is garbage Take that game away and here`s his #s.
@ Gotowm: 29min 0-9FG 0-63FGs 2pnts
Vs. UConn 29min 3-12FG 1-4 11pnts
@Cuse 35min 4-13FG 2-83FGs
@ L`ville 34min 6-19FGs 2-9 3FGs 18pnts
Vs. Pitt 33min 1-12FGs 1-5 3FGs 6Pnts
That`s 14-65FGs 6-32 3FGs
I`d think that Bourgault could atleast hit that. So why are we crying over him? The #s speak for themselves. Harrison isn`t lighting it up is he?
Don`t bring him back next year
He`s not a very good shooter anyway, but he acts like he`s the man.
Wanna go game by game since the game at G-Town? ok
one of the last 6 games he had a good shooting game. Vs who? USF who is garbage Take that game away and here`s his #s.
@ Gotowm: 29min 0-9FG 0-63FGs 2pnts
Vs. UConn 29min 3-12FG 1-4 11pnts
@Cuse 35min 4-13FG 2-83FGs
@ L`ville 34min 6-19FGs 2-9 3FGs 18pnts
Vs. Pitt 33min 1-12FGs 1-5 3FGs 6Pnts
That`s 14-65FGs 6-32 3FGs
I`d think that Bourgault could atleast hit that. So why are we crying over him? The #s speak for themselves. Harrison isn`t lighting it up is he?
Don`t bring him back next year