He's 8th on the team in field goal percentage.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/stats/STJOHN/st-johns-red-storm?&_1:col_1=7
Harrison suspended rest of the year
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He's 8th on the team in field goal percentage.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/stats/STJOHN/st-johns-red-storm?&_1:col_1=7
My comments were not about the coach or his staff but about all those forum participants who get afflicted with sudden insight about people's characters from their years of training about "body language" and the relationship of shooting percentage to the Ten Commandments. The most fascinating "body language" I ever saw was by Jim Plunkett, the old NFL QB who I believe won a Super Bowl. He seemed to have odd facial expressions until I saw a report that he was raised by blind parents.
It is not a completely absurd comment when it is true. When we lose and Harrison played bad it was all about how bad his shots are and how he needs to be benched, but when he plays well and those long shots go in, evrybody is fine with it. Listen, i am a young fan, never got to really love our players until last year because before that was just leftovers from previous recruiting classes. Harrison was my favorite player last year and this year. When it comes to him getting in trouble, I am not surprised at all. I really hope nobody is. I knew he derserved it, but didnt think Lavin would do it given the 18ppg. Im sad to say the least because the potential is there but he can be so frustrating. Ive been to two sju games this year the nova game, where he went off for 36, and the PITT game, which might be his worst and last game in a sju uniform. Im sad, im gonna miss him, good player, who just needs to grow up. Some you guys who said things like good riddance fail to realize that he is just a kid. His brothers in prison, and he gets over emotional at times. He will mature, and hopefully he does in a sju uniform, some of you disagree with me when I say I want him back but before today I knew who was taking shots in close games for us, and now i dont. You get into the tournament by winning close games and i dont see us doing it next year without DLO.
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
Agree with you that guys who only shoot shots in the lane are bound to have higher fg% (GG, hello!).
But I can't agree with what you said about him hoisting up as many bad shots as everyone else on team. Harrison leads that category all by himself, and it's really not that close.
And fwiw, (this isnt directed at you Moose) but not everybody here praised Dangelo when we were winning and bashed him when we lost.
Some of us said at the time we weren't happy when he took the ridiculous shot at Cincinnati, or some of those transition threes against Villanova. And I've said all year that with the exception of the Rutgers game at MSG, Harrison wasn't willing enough to pass out of double teams and that was killing our offense.
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
Agree with you that guys who only shoot shots in the lane are bound to have higher fg% (GG, hello!).
But I can't agree with what you said about him hoisting up as many bad shots as everyone else on team. Harrison leads that category all by himself, and it's really not that close.
And fwiw, (this isnt directed at you Moose) but not everybody here praised Dangelo when we were winning and bashed him when we lost.
Some of us said at the time we weren't happy when he took the ridiculous shot at Cincinnati, or some of those transition threes against Villanova. And I've said all year that with the exception of the Rutgers game at MSG, Harrison wasn't willing enough to pass out of double teams and that was killing our offense.
I say Greene is worse.
Moose
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Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
Agree with you that guys who only shoot shots in the lane are bound to have higher fg% (GG, hello!).
But I can't agree with what you said about him hoisting up as many bad shots as everyone else on team. Harrison leads that category all by himself, and it's really not that close.
And fwiw, (this isnt directed at you Moose) but not everybody here praised Dangelo when we were winning and bashed him when we lost.
Some of us said at the time we weren't happy when he took the ridiculous shot at Cincinnati, or some of those transition threes against Villanova. And I've said all year that with the exception of the Rutgers game at MSG, Harrison wasn't willing enough to pass out of double teams and that was killing our offense.
I'm tired of defending his shot selection because in light of today it looks bad. But Dee actually is a better shooter off the dribble so when he started that game firing up a three off the tip, whatever. Besides usually it takes 4 minutes for us to score first. So why not.
There are other people, who play guard, and a lot of minutes who will remain nameless who hoist up off balance 3's (not his game) or shots early in the shot clock off balance or as we know pass to Dom and Amir with 2 on the shot clock which is a bad shot I'd like to blame the originator for. *Wasnt the shot vs. Cincy with 2 on the clock?
Dee's shots just are deep 3's that most are like wow no way he hits them. Again the ball leaving his hands has a better chance of going in. If people don't see that and want to point to a skewed shooting percentage as the player who takes the most shots and is the focal point of an opponent then I'd suggest picking a new sport to watch and analyze.
Maybe there is deeper issue. Maybe the players defaulted to him too much. Those will point to him hogging, but our guys have made a living off standing around on the perimeter. Nobody is cutting. Well now is the time we find out how they react.
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I also believe that someone else posted that he shot under 25% in his last 8 games. Not exactly a AARP shooter. Since I enjoy watching a TEAM game, win or lose, I will enjoy watching te team better without his antics and selfish play. The Syracuse game did it for me.
brooklyndon1
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point blank we need harrison back to be possible very good team next year . if we lose harrison then we lose a guy putting up 17 points a game im not willing to lose that over a bad attitude yes his attitude sucks but ill deal with it as long as he is willing to try and change. this team can be a possible sweet sixteen team next year if he returns with all the other starters. also i believe laving made a bad decision why not give the other playes a chance at making the tourney and penilized them by suspending him for rest of the season. a one game or two would have been suffice
Moose
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Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I also believe that someone else posted that he shot under 25% in his last 8 games. Not exactly a AARP shooter. Since I enjoy watching a TEAM game, win or lose, I will enjoy watching te team better without his antics and selfish play. The Syracuse game did it for me.
No question he has looked BAD lately. I'm not shocked he was suspended because something seemed awry. Problem is when nobody else wants to or is capable of stepping up.............
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I also believe that someone else posted that he shot under 25% in his last 8 games. Not exactly a AARP shooter. Since I enjoy watching a TEAM game, win or lose, I will enjoy watching te team better without his antics and selfish play. The Syracuse game did it for me.
No question he has looked BAD lately. I'm not shocked he was suspended because something seemed awry. Problem is when nobody else wants to or is capable of stepping up.............
I think that we don't give Branch enough credit for being that scorer. If healthy, I think he is more then capeable of picking up the slack and may just do so with Dlo's absence. I just remember that one game when he carried the scoring for the first half, took good shots and played under control. It's not as though DLo has given the team much scoring as of late any way. I just have a feeling that Branch will come through.
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I agree to some extent. Guards should always have lower FG pcts than big men. And his are worse than they might otherwise be because he was regularly handed the ball with 12 to shoot and told to go figure something out. However he certainly didn't help himself with some poor/selfish decisionmaking in his shot selection. And a significant portion of the blame goes to the staff for failing to design even the most basic offense to create open looks, for players to move without the ball, to set screens, or really anything that would look like more than a schoolyard game.
As long as we are on the staff, Harrison is just the latest entry in a line of players who they took risks on and didn't work out. Lindsey, Pelle, Polee among others. Sampson, Garrett, Sanchez ended up playing but only after long delays. Hopefully now that there is a base of talent in the program they will start to make more careful recruiting decisions.
Well my take is this.....First off, Harrison is the one guy I want with the ball when the game is on the line....sorry but true. The kid can score and he is tough. I personnally dont think he gets enough credit for his passing. With that said, I do believe he does have a major attitude problem. I also believe that if Coach has taken this step, it must be bigger than we all think. I just dont know where the points will come from. Greene is a very streaky shooter and i dont think Sampson is ready to carry the load. Is Gods Gift back ? Anyway, I will be sorry if D'Angelo doesnt turn it around and come back. Id like to see him get through this. Bottom line.......In Lav We Trust.........Go Johnnies !!
Moose
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Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I also believe that someone else posted that he shot under 25% in his last 8 games. Not exactly a AARP shooter. Since I enjoy watching a TEAM game, win or lose, I will enjoy watching te team better without his antics and selfish play. The Syracuse game did it for me.
No question he has looked BAD lately. I'm not shocked he was suspended because something seemed awry. Problem is when nobody else wants to or is capable of stepping up.............
I think that we don't give Branch enough credit for being that scorer. If healthy, I think he is more then capeable of picking up the slack and may just do so with Dlo's absence. I just remember that one game when he carried the scoring for the first half, took good shots and played under control. It's not as though DLo has given the team much scoring as of late any way. I just have a feeling that Branch will come through.
Branch is more of a scorer than a point to me.
That being said I don't have the confidence I had for Dee with Branch.........yet.
Moose
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Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I agree to some extent. Guards should always have lower FG pcts than big men. And his are worse than they might otherwise be because he was regularly handed the ball with 12 to shoot and told to go figure something out. However he certainly didn't help himself with some poor/selfish decisionmaking in his shot selection. And a significant portion of the blame goes to the staff for failing to design even the most basic offense to create open looks, for players to move without the ball, to set screens, or really anything that would look like more than a schoolyard game.
As long as we are on the staff, Harrison is just the latest entry in a line of players who they took risks on and didn't work out. Lindsey, Pelle, Polee among others. Sampson, Garrett, Sanchez ended up playing but only after long delays. Hopefully now that there is a base of talent in the program they will start to make more careful recruiting decisions.
I hate agreeing with you
Skewed stat. I sure as hell don't want people who dunk and shoot layups down there.
Who is last?
I also believe that someone else posted that he shot under 25% in his last 8 games. Not exactly a AARP shooter. Since I enjoy watching a TEAM game, win or lose, I will enjoy watching te team better without his antics and selfish play. The Syracuse game did it for me.
No question he has looked BAD lately. I'm not shocked he was suspended because something seemed awry. Problem is when nobody else wants to or is capable of stepping up.............
I think that we don't give Branch enough credit for being that scorer. If healthy, I think he is more then capeable of picking up the slack and may just do so with Dlo's absence. I just remember that one game when he carried the scoring for the first half, took good shots and played under control. It's not as though DLo has given the team much scoring as of late any way. I just have a feeling that Branch will come through.
Branch is more of a scorer than a point to me.
That being said I don't have the confidence I had for Dee with Branch.........yet.
The Frenchman needs to step up
All true, but I wouldn't characterize the recruiting as careless. As has been discussed here for years, we had to take some chances given the state of the program over the past decade. All in all, our talent is better and our ability to recruit "safer" kids should be improved. This staff has moved the needle miles.
brooklyndon1
Member
what i dont understand is we all knew dangelo has a attitude problem we have known it all year why wait till the last three games to suspend him why take away the chance to make the tourney these kids worked hard something should have been done earliar. allthough i never thought they would make it anyway