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[quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

Mullin made a mistake elevating Mitch with understanding he would recruit minimally. Greg SJ at least breaks his ass coaching, running practices & drills in season with a dab of recruiting now & then.

I would hope CM a guy with GM experience would move Mitch back to the SA spot & get another AC to recruit. I wish I felt confident he will. This has nothing to do with Slice $$ either. It just may be a hard decision CM is having difficulty with. Just my opinion, but do feel better venting about this one man approach. Appreciate Matt working hard, but he is in over his head without solid help.[/quote] I'd give you a +1 but I just gave someone else one for this great post. I'll give you one after 4pm :)
 
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OU transfer @KamMcgusty will visit Miami this coming weekend, per sources
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

Mullin made a mistake elevating Mitch with understanding he would recruit minimally. Greg SJ at least breaks his ass coaching, running practices & drills in season with a dab of recruiting now & then.

I would hope CM a guy with GM experience would move Mitch back to the SA spot & get another AC to recruit. I wish I felt confident he will. This has nothing to do with Slice $$ either. It just may be a hard decision CM is having difficulty with. Just my opinion, but do feel better venting about this one man approach. Appreciate Matt working hard, but he is in over his head without solid help.[/quote]

All great points Paultz. Think the most confusing and frankly concerning one is what you note regarding a program trying to claw it's way back. This would be an odd approach for a program on cruise control. For a team that, even with a deserved first year pass, is 11-25 in conference in years 2 and 3 it's difficult to see a justifiable rationale.

Expectations don't get reset because you fail to meet them. Almost from the start there was a lot of emphasis around a big 2018 class. Understandable, as kids in that class were finishing their freshman year when this staff was hired, which should be early enough in the cycle for a new staff to engage without being too far behind other programs. Is this class potentially well-rounded support, where you might get a number of rotation-caliber players and 1-2 that perform above expectations at core of rotation? Of course, and that can be a great thing. But this is not a premium class and may not have a single #1 type player.

If you count Ponds for year 1 and Simon/Clark for year 2, this might be the least impactful infusion of talent yet, which suggests recruiting isn't exactly going in the right direction. See what staff does the next few months, but this May it will be two years since staff signed and retained a player on the Ponds/Simon/Clark level. Not talking about Top 25, 5 star pipe dreams. Talking about a reasonably steady (every other year at least?) mix of genuinely frontline high school talent (clearly Ponds, but given that's a high bar Top 50-100), and since we obviously play the transfer market heavily at least operating at the top of that (Simon/Clark). Again debatable whether we've done either in close to 2 years now.

And while clearly recruiting rankings are fickle and not dispositive, and you can get good kids anywhere, it's not an accident that Ponds was Top 40 and Simon/Clark transferred from uber majors. You want to play the recruiting odds with those kind of kids and be pleasantly surprised with the kids who develop/surprise, and of late we are relying too much on the latter it seems.

Which makes the recruiting approach mystifying bordering on unacceptable and, importantly, lacking accountability on multiple levels. I get that this is Mullin's program and he's making the calls, but the line should get drawn in my opinion at him being allowed to have his buddy and his buddy's son, neither of who had a single game of college coaching experience, occupying two of three recruiting positions on staff. Coming off 4-14 in conference in year 3, a coach not named Chris Mullin would likely be informed a coaching change is required, that conversation would be obvious and predictable, and would presumably receive little to no pushback as coach would be happy enough to still have his own job. If that's not happening here then it's arguable there's no checks and balances on a coach who hasn't earned the right not to have any.

Mullin is clearly getting year 4 and I think he should. But a program facing enough of an uphill battle as is just making it that much more challenging on itself, and it's difficult to understand why. This job is a grind, even for the best and most established coaches, and if Mullin isn't going to be everywhere in the front row himself it seems only more critical that he have not 2 but 3 coaches who are everywhere for him.
 
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[quote="SJU1512" post=279334][quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

Mullin made a mistake elevating Mitch with understanding he would recruit minimally. Greg SJ at least breaks his ass coaching, running practices & drills in season with a dab of recruiting now & then.

I would hope CM a guy with GM experience would move Mitch back to the SA spot & get another AC to recruit. I wish I felt confident he will. This has nothing to do with Slice $$ either. It just may be a hard decision CM is having difficulty with. Just my opinion, but do feel better venting about this one man approach. Appreciate Matt working hard, but he is in over his head without solid help.[/quote]

All great points Paultz. Think the most confusing and frankly concerning one is what you note regarding a program trying to claw it's way back. This would be an odd approach for a program on cruise control. For a team that, even with a deserved first year pass, is 11-25 in conference in years 2 and 3 it's difficult to see a justifiable rationale.

Expectations don't get reset because you fail to meet them. Almost from the start there was a lot of emphasis around a big 2018 class. Understandable, as kids in that class were finishing their freshman year when this staff was hired, which should be early enough in the cycle for a new staff to engage without being too far behind other programs. Is this class potentially well-rounded support, where you might get a number of rotation-caliber players and 1-2 that perform above expectations at core of rotation? Of course, and that can be a great thing. But this is not a premium class and may not have a single #1 type player.

If you count Ponds for year 1 and Simon/Clark for year 2, this might be the least impactful infusion of talent yet, which suggests recruiting isn't exactly going in the right direction. See what staff does the next few months, but this May it will be two years since staff signed and retained a player on the Ponds/Simon/Clark level. Not talking about Top 25, 5 star pipe dreams. Talking about a reasonably steady (every other year at least?) mix of genuinely frontline high school talent (clearly Ponds, but given that's a high bar Top 50-100), and since we obviously play the transfer market heavily at least operating at the top of that (Simon/Clark). Again debatable whether we've done either in close to 2 years now.

And while clearly recruiting rankings are fickle and not dispositive, and you can get good kids anywhere, it's not an accident that Ponds was Top 40 and Simon/Clark transferred from uber majors. You want to play the recruiting odds with those kind of kids and be pleasantly surprised with the kids who develop/surprise, and of late we are relying too much on the latter it seems.

Which makes the recruiting approach mystifying bordering on unacceptable and, importantly, lacking accountability on multiple levels. I get that this is Mullin's program and he's making the calls, but the line should get drawn in my opinion at him being allowed to have his buddy and his buddy's son, neither of who had a single game of college coaching experience, occupying two of three recruiting positions on staff. Coming off 4-14 in conference in year 3, a coach not named Chris Mullin would likely be informed a coaching change is required, that conversation would be obvious and predictable, and would presumably receive little to no pushback as coach would be happy enough to still have his own job. If that's not happening here then it's arguable there's no checks and balances on a coach who hasn't earned the right not to have any.

Mullin is clearly getting year 4 and I think he should. But a program facing enough of an uphill battle as is just making it that much more challenging on itself, and it's difficult to understand why. This job is a grind, even for the best and most established coaches, and if Mullin isn't going to be everywhere in the front row himself it seems only more critical that he have not 2 but 3 coaches who are everywhere for him.[/quote]

Great post man!
 
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Oklahoma transfer Kameron McGusty tells me his top three schools are Miami, Virginia Tech, and Houston. Visits Miami this weekend.
 
Watching the sausage being made is not appetizing, but an NCAA bid next year will make for a happy picnic. NIT bid not on my menu. All the cooks need to be active in the field with a common purpose of getting a spot on the bracket.
 
[quote="SJU1512" post=279334][quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

perform above expectations at core of rotation? Of course, and that can be a great thing. But this is not a premium class and may not have a single #1 type player.

...mystifying bordering on unacceptable and, importantly, lacking accountability on multiple levels. I get that this is Mullin's program and he's making the calls, but the line should get drawn in my opinion at him being allowed to have his buddy and his buddy's son, neither of who had a single game of college coaching experience, occupying two of three recruiting positions on staff. Coming off 4-14 in conference in year 3, a coach not named Chris Mullin would likely be informed a coaching change is required, that conversation would be obvious and predictable, and would presumably receive little to no pushback as coach would be happy enough to still have his own job. If that's not happening here then it's arguable there's no checks and balances on a coach who hasn't earned the right not to have any.

Mullin is clearly getting year 4 and I think he should. But a program facing enough of an uphill battle as is just making it that much more challenging on itself, and it's difficult to understand why. This job is a grind, even for the best and most established coaches, and if Mullin isn't going to be everywhere in the front row himself it seems only more critical that he have not 2 but 3 coaches who are everywhere for him.[/quote]

Nice posts P and SJU1512
Mystifying, disappointing, confusing...even for the most ardent and optimistic of fans...
my hope - as with Coach K and his early not-so-great Duke years and Jay Wright at V (nice NY Post article today on how Jay almost returned to sales after three losing seasons at Hofstra - I recommend the article :) )
Only takes a year or a key recruit to turn things around - still doable imo and like many here I certainly hope so.
Chris Mullin is a winner, he has adapted. succeeded and rolled with many basketball punches - why would he not do the same here with his staff...
Seems this will lead to such a great enjoyable turn-around and tournament appearances or a considerable sad end.
I keep returning to the reality that CM inherited nothing. That is might have been more realistic to expect more than 3 years to see significant progress.
Let's go St. Johns.
all the best:)
 
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Possible transfer guard & grad big visits this weekend I sense. The latter more likely it appears.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279336][quote="SJU1512" post=279334][quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

Mullin made a mistake elevating Mitch with understanding he would recruit minimally. Greg SJ at least breaks his ass coaching, running practices & drills in season with a dab of recruiting now & then.

I would hope CM a guy with GM experience would move Mitch back to the SA spot & get another AC to recruit. I wish I felt confident he will. This has nothing to do with Slice $$ either. It just may be a hard decision CM is having difficulty with. Just my opinion, but do feel better venting about this one man approach. Appreciate Matt working hard, but he is in over his head without solid help.[/quote]

All great points Paultz. Think the most confusing and frankly concerning one is what you note regarding a program trying to claw it's way back. This would be an odd approach for a program on cruise control. For a team that, even with a deserved first year pass, is 11-25 in conference in years 2 and 3 it's difficult to see a justifiable rationale.

Expectations don't get reset because you fail to meet them. Almost from the start there was a lot of emphasis around a big 2018 class. Understandable, as kids in that class were finishing their freshman year when this staff was hired, which should be early enough in the cycle for a new staff to engage without being too far behind other programs. Is this class potentially well-rounded support, where you might get a number of rotation-caliber players and 1-2 that perform above expectations at core of rotation? Of course, and that can be a great thing. But this is not a premium class and may not have a single #1 type player.

If you count Ponds for year 1 and Simon/Clark for year 2, this might be the least impactful infusion of talent yet, which suggests recruiting isn't exactly going in the right direction. See what staff does the next few months, but this May it will be two years since staff signed and retained a player on the Ponds/Simon/Clark level. Not talking about Top 25, 5 star pipe dreams. Talking about a reasonably steady (every other year at least?) mix of genuinely frontline high school talent (clearly Ponds, but given that's a high bar Top 50-100), and since we obviously play the transfer market heavily at least operating at the top of that (Simon/Clark). Again debatable whether we've done either in close to 2 years now.

And while clearly recruiting rankings are fickle and not dispositive, and you can get good kids anywhere, it's not an accident that Ponds was Top 40 and Simon/Clark transferred from uber majors. You want to play the recruiting odds with those kind of kids and be pleasantly surprised with the kids who develop/surprise, and of late we are relying too much on the latter it seems.

Which makes the recruiting approach mystifying bordering on unacceptable and, importantly, lacking accountability on multiple levels. I get that this is Mullin's program and he's making the calls, but the line should get drawn in my opinion at him being allowed to have his buddy and his buddy's son, neither of who had a single game of college coaching experience, occupying two of three recruiting positions on staff. Coming off 4-14 in conference in year 3, a coach not named Chris Mullin would likely be informed a coaching change is required, that conversation would be obvious and predictable, and would presumably receive little to no pushback as coach would be happy enough to still have his own job. If that's not happening here then it's arguable there's no checks and balances on a coach who hasn't earned the right not to have any.

Mullin is clearly getting year 4 and I think he should. But a program facing enough of an uphill battle as is just making it that much more challenging on itself, and it's difficult to understand why. This job is a grind, even for the best and most established coaches, and if Mullin isn't going to be everywhere in the front row himself it seems only more critical that he have not 2 but 3 coaches who are everywhere for him.[/quote]

Great post man![/quote]

Thanks Paultz. Two other quick (at least relative to prior post :) ) thoughts, one related to current team and one related to program:

1. Team - earlier understandable, but by year 3 you'd like to be in a spot where year 4 doesn't seem to hinge almost completely on 1 player. Losing a player as talented as Ponds is going to hurt no matter when it happens, and hopefully he'll be back rendering this moot, but seems he might be the difference between an excellent season and a potentially poor one with real downside. Too big of a delta based on one player at this stage, and in this era of transfers and early departures, can't be so reliant on one guy.

2. Program - part of my frustration as a fan is that it's been difficult to ascertain a baseline of what expectations for this program should be. To simplify if we discard Jarvis and before, it's been almost 15 years since we had a coach with both (1) recent/any D1 head coaching experience, and (2) without question constructed a staff that worked as hard as they could to make the program great. Not that those are requirements or the only way to win (clearly not), but an assistant that rose with Bill Self with no D1 coaching experience, someone in broadcasting for 7 years, and a program legend with no D1 coaching experience are at a minimum non-traditional hires. Layer onto that with the last two coaches, almost a decade now, there have been questions about staff construction and the comprehensive commitment to recruiting needed to win.

10-15 years is a long time and a lot has changed in the sport broadly and with SJU program specifically over that time. Hopefully Mullin wins next year and then it's off to the races. But in the interim it's just difficult to gauge what is reasonable to expect from this program. If Ed Cooley, Buzz Williams, or Danny Hurley - just as examples, fitting the profile of hungry up and coming younger coaches with varying degrees of HC experience over the last 10 years and a reputation for being hard workers - had come here, they might have won, they might not have, but in either event I'd feel like I have a baseline for what this program is right now. Right or wrong, there has just been a lack of simplicity in the way SJU staffs have seemed to do things for a while now that has made that difficult to ascertain.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=279341]Possible transfer guard & grad big visits this weekend I sense. The latter more likely it appears.[/quote]

Hopefully they do a visit together like Simon and Clark. That worked out really well for us.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

Mullin made a mistake elevating Mitch with understanding he would recruit minimally. Greg SJ at least breaks his ass coaching, running practices & drills in season with a dab of recruiting now & then.

I would hope CM a guy with GM experience would move Mitch back to the SA spot & get another AC to recruit. I wish I felt confident he will. This has nothing to do with Slice $$ either. It just may be a hard decision CM is having difficulty with. Just my opinion, but do feel better venting about this one man approach. Appreciate Matt working hard, but he is in over his head without solid help.[/quote] Its mind bogling. Throw in an inexperienced staff and loosing. Not a pretty picture. Its on Mullin and the higher ups in the University. Better to be proactive and make changes now. We cant afford to dig a deeper hole. If we do, even the most ardent Mullin supporters wouldnt have a leg to stand on. If Mullin is too loyal to make staff changes , he should start recruiting more. IMO we should hire Rice.
 
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1. Team - earlier understandable, but by year 3 you'd like to be in a spot where year 4 doesn't seem to hinge almost completely on 1 player. Losing a player as talented as Ponds is going to hurt no matter when it happens, and hopefully he'll be back rendering this moot, but seems he might be the difference between an excellent season and a potentially poor one with real downside. Too big of a delta based on one player at this stage, and in this era of transfers and early departures, can't be so reliant on one guy.

2. Program - part of my frustration as a fan is that it's been difficult to ascertain a baseline of what expectations for this program should be. To simplify if we discard Jarvis and before, it's been almost 15 years since we had a coach with both (1) recent/any D1 head coaching experience, and (2) without question constructed a staff that worked as hard as they could to make the program great. Not that those are requirements or the only way to win (clearly not), but an assistant that rose with Bill Self with no D1 coaching experience, someone in broadcasting for 7 years, and a program legend with no D1 coaching experience are at a minimum non-traditional hires. Layer onto that with the last two coaches, almost a decade now, there have been questions about staff construction and the comprehensive commitment to recruiting needed to win.

10-15 years is a long time and a lot has changed in the sport broadly and with SJU program specifically over that time. Hopefully Mullin wins next year and then it's off to the races. But in the interim it's just difficult to gauge what is reasonable to expect from this program. If Ed Cooley, Buzz Williams, or Danny Hurley - just as examples, fitting the profile of hungry up and coming younger coaches with varying degrees of HC experience over the last 10 years and a reputation for being hard workers - had come here, they might have won, they might not have, but in either event I'd feel like I have a baseline for what this program is right now. Right or wrong, there has just been a lack of simplicity in the way SJU staffs have seemed to do things for a while now that has made that difficult to ascertain.[/quote]

Very astute observations. I'll lay off the player/recruiting issue but when I sit by myself I wonder, is the inability to find the right coach a byproduct of poor hiring practices and shooting for name recognition over real talent and potential or is it a case where the job is really not that attractive and it is hard to get the best list of quality candidates. Of course this point does not apply to the last hire since no effort was made to do an effective search, but even if they had does anyone believe it would have worked out well? Very frustrating.
 
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Oklahoma transfer Kameron McGusty tells me his top three schools are Miami, Virginia Tech, and Houston. Visits Miami this weekend.[/quote]

Did the great one unfollow him on Twitter yet?
 
[quote="Moose" post=279350][quote="Paultzman" post=279337]Scratch this one
Jon Rothstein‏Verified account @JonRothstein · 3m3 minutes ago

Oklahoma transfer Kameron McGusty tells me his top three schools are Miami, Virginia Tech, and Houston. Visits Miami this weekend.[/quote]

Did the great one unfollow him on Twitter yet?[/quote] No but he is off the radar screen

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I know a lot of us complain about the one-man approach, but do we actually know if Matt has?

He has all the leverage if he's the only guy on the road, so does he actually like being alone?
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279336][quote="SJU1512" post=279334][quote="Paultzman" post=279330]When they start those April AAU events you will see more staff out there, but since season ended we have one guy scrambling to fill current gaps. Matt is clearly the “transfer guy” but it is ridiculous to not devote more resources to the process even to assist him. Our recruiting approach in my opinion just sucks, especially for a program trying to claw way back to respectability.

Mullin made a mistake elevating Mitch with understanding he would recruit minimally. Greg SJ at least breaks his ass coaching, running practices & drills in season with a dab of recruiting now & then.

I would hope CM a guy with GM experience would move Mitch back to the SA spot & get another AC to recruit. I wish I felt confident he will. This has nothing to do with Slice $$ either. It just may be a hard decision CM is having difficulty with. Just my opinion, but do feel better venting about this one man approach. Appreciate Matt working hard, but he is in over his head without solid help.[/quote]

All great points Paultz. Think the most confusing and frankly concerning one is what you note regarding a program trying to claw it's way back. This would be an odd approach for a program on cruise control. For a team that, even with a deserved first year pass, is 11-25 in conference in years 2 and 3 it's difficult to see a justifiable rationale.

Expectations don't get reset because you fail to meet them. Almost from the start there was a lot of emphasis around a big 2018 class. Understandable, as kids in that class were finishing their freshman year when this staff was hired, which should be early enough in the cycle for a new staff to engage without being too far behind other programs. Is this class potentially well-rounded support, where you might get a number of rotation-caliber players and 1-2 that perform above expectations at core of rotation? Of course, and that can be a great thing. But this is not a premium class and may not have a single #1 type player.

If you count Ponds for year 1 and Simon/Clark for year 2, this might be the least impactful infusion of talent yet, which suggests recruiting isn't exactly going in the right direction. See what staff does the next few months, but this May it will be two years since staff signed and retained a player on the Ponds/Simon/Clark level. Not talking about Top 25, 5 star pipe dreams. Talking about a reasonably steady (every other year at least?) mix of genuinely frontline high school talent (clearly Ponds, but given that's a high bar Top 50-100), and since we obviously play the transfer market heavily at least operating at the top of that (Simon/Clark). Again debatable whether we've done either in close to 2 years now.

And while clearly recruiting rankings are fickle and not dispositive, and you can get good kids anywhere, it's not an accident that Ponds was Top 40 and Simon/Clark transferred from uber majors. You want to play the recruiting odds with those kind of kids and be pleasantly surprised with the kids who develop/surprise, and of late we are relying too much on the latter it seems.

Which makes the recruiting approach mystifying bordering on unacceptable and, importantly, lacking accountability on multiple levels. I get that this is Mullin's program and he's making the calls, but the line should get drawn in my opinion at him being allowed to have his buddy and his buddy's son, neither of who had a single game of college coaching experience, occupying two of three recruiting positions on staff. Coming off 4-14 in conference in year 3, a coach not named Chris Mullin would likely be informed a coaching change is required, that conversation would be obvious and predictable, and would presumably receive little to no pushback as coach would be happy enough to still have his own job. If that's not happening here then it's arguable there's no checks and balances on a coach who hasn't earned the right not to have any.

Mullin is clearly getting year 4 and I think he should. But a program facing enough of an uphill battle as is just making it that much more challenging on itself, and it's difficult to understand why. This job is a grind, even for the best and most established coaches, and if Mullin isn't going to be everywhere in the front row himself it seems only more critical that he have not 2 but 3 coaches who are everywhere for him.[/quote]

Great post man![/quote]

Great, informative & insightful posts Paultz and SJU1512. Thank you.
No doubt, CM must change the structure of his staff and soon. He’s a loyal guy, but the future of this program is in jeopardy with only 1 full-time recruiter.
It’s ironic and frustrating because I was all for Mitch becoming an AC, thinking the sight of two HOFers knocking on the doors of 4*s and the occasional roulette 5* would wow them.
Well, that joke’s on me—but now we’re faced with an untenable and unworkable staff structure inadequate for the tasks at hand.
Something must give—and ASAP.
 
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It's how we do at St. John's, pay people to do nothing.
Slice - Getting paid for doing whatever he wants.
Mitch - Paid for sitting on his ass.

If you want an easy job where you get paid good money, come to SJU.
You don't have to do a damn thing.
 
Oklahoma transfer Kameron McGusty tells me his top three schools are Miami, Virginia Tech, and Houston. Visits Miami this weekend. Per Rothstein
 
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