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[quote="DoodyNY33" post=281043][quote="kranmars" post=281022][quote="Paultzman" post=280995]
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
Weren't those guys mentioned in the federal investigation into the NCAA? What could be different is the federal government forcinf a more level playing field.
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
Weren't those guys mentioned in the federal investigation into the NCAA? What could be different is the federal government forcinf a more level playing field.
[quote="gman" post=281042][quote="kranmars" post=281022][quote="Paultzman" post=280995]
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
The problem is the staff seems to key in a few kids like that and we strike out leaving us to chase the scraps like this season.[/quote]
Exactly, that's why I have a major problem with what I'm seeing. SJU is becoming completely reliant on the transfer market because they can't lock down HS recruits. No offense to Diakite, Roberts, & Earlington, but all 3 of them are projects. I would say the only incoming true freshman with expectations is Williams. I totally get being active in the transfer market, but that's still not an excuse for weak HS classes every year.
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
The problem is the staff seems to key in a few kids like that and we strike out leaving us to chase the scraps like this season.[/quote]
Exactly, that's why I have a major problem with what I'm seeing. SJU is becoming completely reliant on the transfer market because they can't lock down HS recruits. No offense to Diakite, Roberts, & Earlington, but all 3 of them are projects. I would say the only incoming true freshman with expectations is Williams. I totally get being active in the transfer market, but that's still not an excuse for weak HS classes every year.
DoodyNY33: Exactly, that's why I have a major problem with what I'm seeing. SJU is becoming completely reliant on the transfer market because they can't lock down HS recruits. No offense to Diakite, Roberts, & Earlington, but all 3 of them are projects. I would say the only incoming true freshman with expectations is Williams. I totally get being active in the transfer market, but that's still not an excuse for weak HS classes every year.[/quote]
You're right, DoodyNY33.
IMO the primary reason we've missed on top HS kids is that we've been a losing program--iced by the infamy of 11 straight BEC losses in 2017-18.
Kids love PT, but they absolutely crave 'exposure' and losing looks terrible--particularly in the glare of the NYC Lights.
I think we'll finally crack the shell of some top kids in the 2019 class--IF we have a winning season next year, capped by perhaps 2 dances in the NCAAs.
You're right, DoodyNY33.
IMO the primary reason we've missed on top HS kids is that we've been a losing program--iced by the infamy of 11 straight BEC losses in 2017-18.
Kids love PT, but they absolutely crave 'exposure' and losing looks terrible--particularly in the glare of the NYC Lights.
I think we'll finally crack the shell of some top kids in the 2019 class--IF we have a winning season next year, capped by perhaps 2 dances in the NCAAs.
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[quote="DoodyNY33" post=281043][quote="kranmars" post=281022][quote="Paultzman" post=280995]
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
Agree totally. Have no confidence in this staff to get commitments from top HS kids.
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
Agree totally. Have no confidence in this staff to get commitments from top HS kids.
[quote="DoodyNY33" post=281043][quote="kranmars" post=281022][quote="Paultzman" post=280995]
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
I don't know. So what's your point. I never said they are locks. I just responded to Paultzman about those particular recruits.
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
I don't know. So what's your point. I never said they are locks. I just responded to Paultzman about those particular recruits.
[quote="Paultzman" post=280946]Rothstein
Washington State transfer Malachi Flynn tells me he's receiving interest from Creighton, Texas A&M, Baylor, San Diego State, Boise State, Gonzaga, Nevada, and St. John's.
[URL][URL]https://www.azdesertswarm...n-leave-washington-pac-12-arizona-point-guard[/URL][/URL][/quote]
Malachi Flynn is a very very good player. Would love to have him!
Washington State transfer Malachi Flynn tells me he's receiving interest from Creighton, Texas A&M, Baylor, San Diego State, Boise State, Gonzaga, Nevada, and St. John's.
[URL][URL]https://www.azdesertswarm...n-leave-washington-pac-12-arizona-point-guard[/URL][/URL][/quote]
Malachi Flynn is a very very good player. Would love to have him!
Dan V
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[quote="Delaware" post=281052][quote="DoodyNY33" post=281043][quote="kranmars" post=281022][quote="Paultzman" post=280995]
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
Agree totally. Have no confidence in this staff to get commitments from top HS kids.[/quote]Unfortunately I feel the same way. Hopefully that feeling changes with the 19 class. Will have had 4 offseasons to recruit those kids, get it done.
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
Agree totally. Have no confidence in this staff to get commitments from top HS kids.[/quote]Unfortunately I feel the same way. Hopefully that feeling changes with the 19 class. Will have had 4 offseasons to recruit those kids, get it done.
[quote="kranmars" post=281053][quote="DoodyNY33" post=281043][quote="kranmars" post=281022][quote="Paultzman" post=280995]
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
I don't know. So what's your point. I never said they are locks. I just responded to Paultzman about those particular recruits.[/quote]
Exactly Kran & nor did I. I just laid out what I thought the recruiting approach looks like. No one in their right mind would be “confident” about getting the best kids.
That leads me to believe 19 focus will be on Iggie, Kofi and perhaps Gaffney which is fine. Lewis and Antoine are long shots imo.[/quote]
I think this entire board would sign up for that class in 2019. They all seem to be smart, coachable kids who have worked hard to improve evey year.[/quote]
Remember reading the exact same quotes about Moses, Naz, & Luther last year and SJU struck out on all 3 of them. What makes 2019 any different?[/quote]
I don't know. So what's your point. I never said they are locks. I just responded to Paultzman about those particular recruits.[/quote]
Exactly Kran & nor did I. I just laid out what I thought the recruiting approach looks like. No one in their right mind would be “confident” about getting the best kids.
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I think most of us understood what you were saying. However I thought it had been noted that Igiehon (sp?) was highly unlikely, no? Listen, starting with Kofi and Gaffney, who actually look possible, would make it their best class ever already so not something anyone should complain over. Hope springs eternal.
Those key guys for 2019 class will be either ours or lost long before we know what our 2018-2019 season record is. Expect what will help us most in that effort is having done well in the next month or two getting someone to make us relevant next year and transfers who can strengthen our prospects for 2019-2020; plus starting the 2018-2019 year successfully.
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=281060]Those key guys for 2019 class will be either ours or lost long before we know what our 2018-2019 season record is. Expect what will help us most in that effort is having done well in the next month or two getting someone to make us relevant next year and transfers who can strengthen our prospects for 2019-2020; plus starting the 2018-2019 year successfully.[/quote]
Yes, a solid Grad Big this Spring + commitments by big-time sit-outs would, no doubt, influence an early 'commit' by hopefully one of our primary 2019 targets--plus 'buzz' about the 2018-19 season going into the OOC segment and then success through the OOC and into the BEC.
Yes, a solid Grad Big this Spring + commitments by big-time sit-outs would, no doubt, influence an early 'commit' by hopefully one of our primary 2019 targets--plus 'buzz' about the 2018-19 season going into the OOC segment and then success through the OOC and into the BEC.
[quote="austour" post=281058]I think most of us understood what you were saying. However I thought it had been noted that Igiehon (sp?) was highly unlikely, no? Listen, starting with Kofi and Gaffney, who actually look possible, would make it their best class ever already so not something anyone should complain over. Hope springs eternal.[/quote]
Surprised myself that Iggie is in play, but it now appears so. This “stuff” is so fluid.
Surprised myself that Iggie is in play, but it now appears so. This “stuff” is so fluid.
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=281060]Those key guys for 2019 class will be either ours or lost long before we know what our 2018-2019 season record is. Expect what will help us most in that effort is having done well in the next month or two getting someone to make us relevant next year and transfers who can strengthen our prospects for 2019-2020; plus starting the 2018-2019 year successfully.[/quote]
My concern is that the staff, as constituted now, cannot get early Fall commitments from any of their high school targets. If, at the beginning of your 4th year as a coach, you haven't gained the respect of the recruits you have been following for 3 years then you are being blindsided by compelling negative recruiting. You have to confront that head on and make sure your staff is showing enough love to warrant respect.
I think there is more dissent on both the staff and player level than we know. Some fans are actively calling for the departure of Matt Abdelmassih because he is a bullshit artist. Some want Mitch out because no one has seen what he is contributing. Some want St. Jean out because he makes Mullin lazy in game coaching. Mullin seems to not give a crap about what anyone thinks. Players see players leave and support them because the team is haphazardly constructed with transfer vagabonds who wouldn't think twice about transferring again if they thought it would benefit them while hurting team chemistry. People aren't sure what role our A.D. really has with the basketball program.
It all reminds me of the last staff that went to consecutive post seasons yet couldn't close out on any targets.
I don't think winning alone next season will be enough to sway recruits. Who and how hard players are being recruited may be more important and this staff structure may be too dysfunctional to get the results we anticipated.
My concern is that the staff, as constituted now, cannot get early Fall commitments from any of their high school targets. If, at the beginning of your 4th year as a coach, you haven't gained the respect of the recruits you have been following for 3 years then you are being blindsided by compelling negative recruiting. You have to confront that head on and make sure your staff is showing enough love to warrant respect.
I think there is more dissent on both the staff and player level than we know. Some fans are actively calling for the departure of Matt Abdelmassih because he is a bullshit artist. Some want Mitch out because no one has seen what he is contributing. Some want St. Jean out because he makes Mullin lazy in game coaching. Mullin seems to not give a crap about what anyone thinks. Players see players leave and support them because the team is haphazardly constructed with transfer vagabonds who wouldn't think twice about transferring again if they thought it would benefit them while hurting team chemistry. People aren't sure what role our A.D. really has with the basketball program.
It all reminds me of the last staff that went to consecutive post seasons yet couldn't close out on any targets.
I don't think winning alone next season will be enough to sway recruits. Who and how hard players are being recruited may be more important and this staff structure may be too dysfunctional to get the results we anticipated.
L J S A
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[quote="Paultzman" post=281062][quote="austour" post=281058]I think most of us understood what you were saying. However I thought it had been noted that Igiehon (sp?) was highly unlikely, no? Listen, starting with Kofi and Gaffney, who actually look possible, would make it their best class ever already so not something anyone should complain over. Hope springs eternal.[/quote]
Surprised myself that Iggie is in play, but it now appears so. This “stuff” is so fluid.[/quote]
He did just say that he and his parents would decide on the school. So without outside influences, maybe they think NYC is best place for their son. I'm willing to bet my life that it'll be easier to find a fellow black Irish guy in NYC than in Kentucky or Storrs.
Surprised myself that Iggie is in play, but it now appears so. This “stuff” is so fluid.[/quote]
He did just say that he and his parents would decide on the school. So without outside influences, maybe they think NYC is best place for their son. I'm willing to bet my life that it'll be easier to find a fellow black Irish guy in NYC than in Kentucky or Storrs.
[quote="L J S A" post=281066][quote="Paultzman" post=281062][quote="austour" post=281058]I think most of us understood what you were saying. However I thought it had been noted that Igiehon (sp?) was highly unlikely, no? Listen, starting with Kofi and Gaffney, who actually look possible, would make it their best class ever already so not something anyone should complain over. Hope springs eternal.[/quote]
Surprised myself that Iggie is in play, but it now appears so. This “stuff” is so fluid.[/quote]
He did just say that he and his parents would decide on the school. So without outside influences, maybe they think NYC is best place for their son. I'm willing to bet my life that it'll be easier to find a fellow black Irish guy in NYC than in Kentucky or Storrs.[/quote]
Haraya had a couple of them.
Surprised myself that Iggie is in play, but it now appears so. This “stuff” is so fluid.[/quote]
He did just say that he and his parents would decide on the school. So without outside influences, maybe they think NYC is best place for their son. I'm willing to bet my life that it'll be easier to find a fellow black Irish guy in NYC than in Kentucky or Storrs.[/quote]
Haraya had a couple of them.prjohnnies
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To be fair, most message boards that I read are equally critical of their staff, even if they have success. I read the Seton Hall board; they are imploding right now with the golden boy Sha's departure. Have no faith in Willard as a recruiter and think he massively underachieved this year. They call Fred Hill a joke. And they get on the other assistant for being a "nice guy" but over his head. So I think fans getting on a staff is par for the course most places. We haven't won and the recent optics haven't been great so you get that here as well.
[quote="Class of 72" post=281063][quote="NCJohnnie" post=281060]Those key guys for 2019 class will be either ours or lost long before we know what our 2018-2019 season record is. Expect what will help us most in that effort is having done well in the next month or two getting someone to make us relevant next year and transfers who can strengthen our prospects for 2019-2020; plus starting the 2018-2019 year successfully.[/quote]
My concern is that the staff, as constituted now, cannot get early Fall commitments from any of their high school targets. If, at the beginning of your 4th year as a coach, you haven't gained the respect of the recruits you have been following for 3 years then you are being blindsided by compelling negative recruiting. You have to confront that head on and make sure your staff is showing enough love to warrant respect.
I think there is more dissent on both the staff and player level than we know. Some fans are actively calling for the departure of Matt Abdelmassih because he is a bullshit artist. Some want Mitch out because no one has seen what he is contributing. Some want St. Jean out because he makes Mullin lazy in game coaching. Mullin seems to not give a crap about what anyone thinks. Players see players leave and support them because the team is haphazardly constructed with transfer vagabonds who wouldn't think twice about transferring again if they thought it would benefit them while hurting team chemistry. People aren't sure what role our A.D. really has with the basketball program.
It all reminds me of the last staff that went to consecutive post seasons yet couldn't close out on any targets.
I don't think winning alone next season will be enough to sway recruits. Who and how hard players are being recruited may be more important and this staff structure may be too dysfunctional to get the results we anticipated.[/quote]
[quote="Class of 72" post=281063][quote="NCJohnnie" post=281060]Those key guys for 2019 class will be either ours or lost long before we know what our 2018-2019 season record is. Expect what will help us most in that effort is having done well in the next month or two getting someone to make us relevant next year and transfers who can strengthen our prospects for 2019-2020; plus starting the 2018-2019 year successfully.[/quote]
My concern is that the staff, as constituted now, cannot get early Fall commitments from any of their high school targets. If, at the beginning of your 4th year as a coach, you haven't gained the respect of the recruits you have been following for 3 years then you are being blindsided by compelling negative recruiting. You have to confront that head on and make sure your staff is showing enough love to warrant respect.
I think there is more dissent on both the staff and player level than we know. Some fans are actively calling for the departure of Matt Abdelmassih because he is a bullshit artist. Some want Mitch out because no one has seen what he is contributing. Some want St. Jean out because he makes Mullin lazy in game coaching. Mullin seems to not give a crap about what anyone thinks. Players see players leave and support them because the team is haphazardly constructed with transfer vagabonds who wouldn't think twice about transferring again if they thought it would benefit them while hurting team chemistry. People aren't sure what role our A.D. really has with the basketball program.
It all reminds me of the last staff that went to consecutive post seasons yet couldn't close out on any targets.
I don't think winning alone next season will be enough to sway recruits. Who and how hard players are being recruited may be more important and this staff structure may be too dysfunctional to get the results we anticipated.[/quote]
Sense weather Caraher is experiencing here will be consistent with visit outcome. I like the idea of adding a guy with good size and stroke. Guys like that have drilled us through the years never to set foot in NBA. Give me a solid college player anytime.
Of course the question on a player like this is can our staff develop an offensive approach to maximize his talents? The West Fourth Street let it fly approach won’t imo. Legitimate question. Hoping he commits very soon & gives us production more like Luke Hancock than Max Hooper.
Of course the question on a player like this is can our staff develop an offensive approach to maximize his talents? The West Fourth Street let it fly approach won’t imo. Legitimate question. Hoping he commits very soon & gives us production more like Luke Hancock than Max Hooper.
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