Fire Lavin!

[salty dog]

Like Hurley better .. but masiello would get big time players and do well.. Im a huge Hurley fan I think he will be a star. I have seen him up close and very impressed.

He jumps ship quickly IMO. If he comes to a place like sju it would just be a stepping stone.

Uh oh! that's a no no at St. John's. Looie would have a fit.

 

[doodyny33]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

 

[Jack Williams]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the am 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

I disagree. I'd much rather have a game coach who knows how to teach fundamentals and x and o's to his players rather than a guy that recruits top 100 athleticism and then can't coach them into anything in particular. The players Norm recruited showed ability to make the tournament, I'm not giving credit to norm, I'm just using them as an example saying you don't need top 100 recruits to be a great team, so if Lavins only ability is to recruit top 100 without turning them into anything, he really is not our best option in my opinion.

I like the guy, but I just question what he really knows about basketball, especially after reading the UCLA article, it is déjà vu all over again, except without the sweet sixteens...

 

[SJUalum98]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

 

[doodyny33]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

 

[Class of 72]

Like Hurley better .. but masiello would get big time players and do well.. Im a huge Hurley fan I think he will be a star. I have seen him up close and very impressed.

He jumps ship quickly IMO. If he comes to a place like sju it would just be a stepping stone.

There are TWO Hurley brothers! I am at a loss to figure out which one you guys are drooling over!
That said, you replace a "name" coach with a name coach. The Big East did not move to NYC to have SJU sit at the bottom of the cellar with DePaul. DePaul will likely fire their coach this year but SJ needs name recognition to survive. Someone on the level of a Shaka Smart will have to be a target. Even an older coach out in Texas would be better. Look at Larry Brown transform SMU in just one year. We have to stop rebuilding from the ground up!

 

[Class of 72]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

What fan base does SMU have in Dallas that attracted Larry Brown? What keeps Mark Few in Spokane? What facilities do those schools have? Neither have an MSG! Davidson, over the past 20 years has been more successful than us without one top 100 player at a school with 2000 students. Don't get me started on Wicitha St, Xavier, and a host of others. SJU has suffered through mismanagement of its Athletic Department for years. That will only change with a new AD and a non-Vincentian as President or we will be forever a Niagara or DePaul. Peter D'Angelo and company have to orchestrate a coup if any progress will ever be made.

 

[SJUalum98]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

 

[Jack Williams]

I give Lavin till the end of the season, but if we miss the tournament and don't show any improvement, I think it might be time to move on and cut ties with Lavin.

 

[Eddyman11]

Like Hurley better .. but masiello would get big time players and do well.. Im a huge Hurley fan I think he will be a star. I have seen him up close and very impressed.

He jumps ship quickly IMO. If he comes to a place like sju it would just be a stepping stone.

Uh oh! that's a no no at St. John's. Looie would have a fit.

I'm a late 80's baby so I'm out of loop with alot concerning Looie. What were the beef's he had with Callipari and Hurley?

 

[JackofVirginia]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

God help us!

 

[beast of the east]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -

#1: I don't live in the 80s. I live here. It's pathetic that we bring up the 80s every 5th post, but its really our most recent continuous run at success other than the brief Artest run.

#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

#3: If you were around for 2009, there were some pretty smart basketball people thinking we should just drop down to A10, or some other mid major conference because SJU basketball was finished. DONE AS A PROGRAM. Like NYU, CCNY, Manhattan, or any program that was once a very good program. Then Lavin came along and restored the program almost immediately - Not even a wait period to nail big time recruits, and before a single one of his guys stepped foot on the court, we were winning exciting games, ranked, and headed to Denver.

So yea, we are all impatient for the full restoration of the program. College basketball has changed radically since 2002. No longer is it 40 or 50 schools competing for a top 25 ranking. Now any decent mid major can make a lot of noise, get TV and internet coverage, and climb into the rankings more easily than ever before. Tis isn't an excuse. Win or lose, there will be a tomorrow, and if they lose, I'm not running into redmen.com to pout like I'm 12. It's still the only product in town I'd root for with as much passion, so after 6 frigging ridiculous years of Malik Stiths being our big recruit, for now I still have patience, once the school showed they wanted a real program, and not a clean program run by mini-me.

 

[MBoutchatski]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -



#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

.

I remember the Pitt game being packed...as in not tix available. the 400 levels were not up for sale and I bet the garden regretted that b/c there was not a seat to be had in that place. And I don't think Pitt was the one packing the arena with their fans...

 

[beast of the east]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -



#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

.

I remember the Pitt game being packed...as in not tix available. the 400 levels were not up for sale and I bet the garden regretted that b/c there was not a seat to be had in that place. And I don't think Pitt was the one packing the arena with their fans...

It was the only game I missed because I had a flight out that afternoon, but if what you are saying is true, it was the absolute pinnacle of that season, and it dissipated quickly after we slipped after that. And that entire season there was a relatively small band of loyal students that grew to about 200 guys (few women) who came out to support the team the entire year. Even in 2010 the interest grew slowly, even after big wins. At one time we were the right there with the Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, Rangers, Islanders, and Knicks, and bigger than most of them depending on how well they were doing that season.

 

[SJUalum98]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -

#1: I don't live in the 80s. I live here. It's pathetic that we bring up the 80s every 5th post, but its really our most recent continuous run at success other than the brief Artest run.

#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

#3: If you were around for 2009, there were some pretty smart basketball people thinking we should just drop down to A10, or some other mid major conference because SJU basketball was finished. DONE AS A PROGRAM. Like NYU, CCNY, Manhattan, or any program that was once a very good program. Then Lavin came along and restored the program almost immediately - Not even a wait period to nail big time recruits, and before a single one of his guys stepped foot on the court, we were winning exciting games, ranked, and headed to Denver.

So yea, we are all impatient for the full restoration of the program. College basketball has changed radically since 2002. No longer is it 40 or 50 schools competing for a top 25 ranking. Now any decent mid major can make a lot of noise, get TV and internet coverage, and climb into the rankings more easily than ever before. Tis isn't an excuse. Win or lose, there will be a tomorrow, and if they lose, I'm not running into redmen.com to pout like I'm 12. It's still the only product in town I'd root for with as much passion, so after 6 frigging ridiculous years of Malik Stiths being our big recruit, for now I still have patience, once the school showed they wanted a real program, and not a clean program run by mini-me.

I was at the Pitt game in 2010.

The atmosphere was as if the Knicks won the championship.

Garden had a buzz. That vibration in the floor like it used to for old Knick games,

 

[paultzman]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -

#1: I don't live in the 80s. I live here. It's pathetic that we bring up the 80s every 5th post, but its really our most recent continuous run at success other than the brief Artest run.

#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

#3: If you were around for 2009, there were some pretty smart basketball people thinking we should just drop down to A10, or some other mid major conference because SJU basketball was finished. DONE AS A PROGRAM. Like NYU, CCNY, Manhattan, or any program that was once a very good program. Then Lavin came along and restored the program almost immediately - Not even a wait period to nail big time recruits, and before a single one of his guys stepped foot on the court, we were winning exciting games, ranked, and headed to Denver.

So yea, we are all impatient for the full restoration of the program. College basketball has changed radically since 2002. No longer is it 40 or 50 schools competing for a top 25 ranking. Now any decent mid major can make a lot of noise, get TV and internet coverage, and climb into the rankings more easily than ever before. Tis isn't an excuse. Win or lose, there will be a tomorrow, and if they lose, I'm not running into redmen.com to pout like I'm 12. It's still the only product in town I'd root for with as much passion, so after 6 frigging ridiculous years of Malik Stiths being our big recruit, for now I still have patience, once the school showed they wanted a real program, and not a clean program run by mini-me.

I was at the Pitt game in 2010.

The atmosphere was as if the Knicks won the championship.

Garden had a buzz. That vibration in the floor like it used to for old Knick games,

Had floor seats for that game & confirm your comments. Awesome atmosphere.

 

[ccnobz]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -

#1: I don't live in the 80s. I live here. It's pathetic that we bring up the 80s every 5th post, but its really our most recent continuous run at success other than the brief Artest run.

#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

#3: If you were around for 2009, there were some pretty smart basketball people thinking we should just drop down to A10, or some other mid major conference because SJU basketball was finished. DONE AS A PROGRAM. Like NYU, CCNY, Manhattan, or any program that was once a very good program. Then Lavin came along and restored the program almost immediately - Not even a wait period to nail big time recruits, and before a single one of his guys stepped foot on the court, we were winning exciting games, ranked, and headed to Denver.

So yea, we are all impatient for the full restoration of the program. College basketball has changed radically since 2002. No longer is it 40 or 50 schools competing for a top 25 ranking. Now any decent mid major can make a lot of noise, get TV and internet coverage, and climb into the rankings more easily than ever before. Tis isn't an excuse. Win or lose, there will be a tomorrow, and if they lose, I'm not running into redmen.com to pout like I'm 12. It's still the only product in town I'd root for with as much passion, so after 6 frigging ridiculous years of Malik Stiths being our big recruit, for now I still have patience, once the school showed they wanted a real program, and not a clean program run by mini-me.

I was at the Pitt game in 2010.

The atmosphere was as if the Knicks won the championship.

Garden had a buzz. That vibration in the floor like it used to for old Knick games,

Indeed, although I was stuck sitting next to Pitt family members, place was packed with Johnny fans and was electric. Irish Times was fun after also!

 

[SJU1512]

He's not getting fired guys, so can we put this to rest?

So far, this has been a disappointing year. We all thought the team was going to take a big step forward, but ignored the fact that it is seriously flawed. These guys are not particularly good at anything (poor court vision, awful shooting, bad fundamentals in the paint). Perhaps they'll get better as the season progresses. After Villanova, we have a really weak stretch where this team can pick up some W's. Not going to really help our tournament chances, but at least the losing streak will end.

Back to Lavin ... let's stop pretending we are one of these schools that hires and fires coaches because of expectations. We last won a tournament game in the year 2000. It's 2014. SJU has been a bottom feeder program for a long, long time now. There's a reason why Creighton will draw 20k to their games and we won't even pack MSG against Villanova on Saturday. Although Lavin is a flawed coach, he's the best shot we got.

He is NOT the best shot we got. Far from it.

All of you Lavin apologists know that he is nothing more than a PR guy.

We are in the biggest market and our AD knows this. Who better than a used car salesman to bring attention to us.

But the time is up. His job requirement is to get wins and get us to the tournament.

Instead of playing coach, he's out here playing as some executive.

Clearly we go into games with no gameplan. So if there's no coaching and all he does is recruit, where are the 2014 recruits?

If it wasn't for Chiles, I don't even know if we'd have half of our signings.

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because there isn't really a point. The proof is in the W/L record.

The fact of the matter is most fans are living in the '80s. We don't have facilities of our own and by comparison our fan base is pretty pathetic. A big name coach isn't going to suddenly decide "Hey, you know what? St. John's seems like a great choice." I'm not saying Steve is the best coach out there. Far from it. His reputation of being a better recruiter than he is a coach is valid. But he did winat UCLA (and his 1st year at SJU). He does have a history. And I'm sorry, but our program has been a joke for a really long time now, so we have to accept the fact that this rebuild could take a little longer than we all want.

I'll disagree about fans living in the 80s as it is probably just older alumni.

In 2010, we wre able to pack MSG with people who didn't even follow college basketball or SJU in particular because it was a good product.

If you tell me that Lavin was responsible for that, then fine.

But also realize that he must be responsible for what's going on right now as this is HIS "prized" recruiting class 3 years later. How long does it take to rebuild when you score back to back Top 5 recruiting classes?

And 3 years later without one win vs. Georgetown, Syracuse, Louisville, Villanova and any quality team worth mentioning. Not one.

And he has the audacity to tell the fans to wait until February while he strolls out lineup after lineup without a clue what to do on the floor?

MSG is a billion dollar facility.

Coaches would kill to be able to call that their home court.

It is Lavin's responsibility to put a quality product on that floor. If he can't, then he needs to step aside for someone who can.

Hey I'll tell you a couple of things -

#1: I don't live in the 80s. I live here. It's pathetic that we bring up the 80s every 5th post, but its really our most recent continuous run at success other than the brief Artest run.

#2: The Garden wasn't packed in 2010, except when an opponent packed the place. You have no clue what it was like when we OWNED the place. You couldn't hear the person next to you, and you went home every single game with a sore throat. When the Garden roared then, it was 95% SJU fans - even the casual Wall Street fan got caught up in it and made SJU his dinner date - it was THAT BIG.

#3: If you were around for 2009, there were some pretty smart basketball people thinking we should just drop down to A10, or some other mid major conference because SJU basketball was finished. DONE AS A PROGRAM. Like NYU, CCNY, Manhattan, or any program that was once a very good program. Then Lavin came along and restored the program almost immediately - Not even a wait period to nail big time recruits, and before a single one of his guys stepped foot on the court, we were winning exciting games, ranked, and headed to Denver.

So yea, we are all impatient for the full restoration of the program. College basketball has changed radically since 2002. No longer is it 40 or 50 schools competing for a top 25 ranking. Now any decent mid major can make a lot of noise, get TV and internet coverage, and climb into the rankings more easily than ever before. Tis isn't an excuse. Win or lose, there will be a tomorrow, and if they lose, I'm not running into redmen.com to pout like I'm 12. It's still the only product in town I'd root for with as much passion, so after 6 frigging ridiculous years of Malik Stiths being our big recruit, for now I still have patience, once the school showed they wanted a real program, and not a clean program run by mini-me.

I was at the Pitt game in 2010.

The atmosphere was as if the Knicks won the championship.

Garden had a buzz. That vibration in the floor like it used to for old Knick games,

Had floor seats for that game & confirm your comments. Awesome atmosphere.

Place rocked pretty good for Duke too. Didn't dominate the fan % like the Pitt game as Duke brings a crowd, but the SJU noise level was incredible from the first TV timeout on. When Brownlee had what remains one of the most powerful dunks I have ever seen off that backdoor in the 2nd half the Garden was shaking. Unreal atmosphere.

For a weekday game, UConn was a good job that year as well. Great environment and very pro-SJU crowd (weak showing from UConn).

 

[SJU61982]

Kieran Darcy ‏@KieranDarcy 51m Lavin would not give starting lineup for Saturday, but sounds like walk-on Khadim Ndiaye's start vs. GTown was a one-time thing #SJUBB

 

[Andrew]

Like Hurley better .. but masiello would get big time players and do well.. Im a huge Hurley fan I think he will be a star. I have seen him up close and very impressed.

He jumps ship quickly IMO. If he comes to a place like sju it would just be a stepping stone.

There are TWO Hurley brothers! I am at a loss to figure out which one you guys are drooling over!
That said, you replace a "name" coach with a name coach. The Big East did not move to NYC to have SJU sit at the bottom of the cellar with DePaul. DePaul will likely fire their coach this year but SJ needs name recognition to survive. Someone on the level of a Shaka Smart will have to be a target. Even an older coach out in Texas would be better. Look at Larry Brown transform SMU in just one year. We have to stop rebuilding from the ground up!

I think they are talking about Danny Hurley at Rhode Island. I don't see Shaka Smart coming to St. John's.