If they are "thinking and don't know what their roles are" it means that the staff is at fault because it's their job to #1 to recruit players that have the ability and smarts to play the game, #2 teach them the system and #3 motivate them to give their best effort for the team and themselves. With the exception of Jordan every one of these guys has two years or more to have learned the "system". It's on the staff to turn all these super athletes/players, who they recruited, into a team. If Lavin is constantly tinkering with lineups, including starting a walk-on and the second to last man on the bench, to make a point to the other players then the results are on him more than the players.
Fire Lavin!
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If they are "thinking and don't know what their roles are" it means that the staff is at fault because it's their job to #1 to recruit players that have the ability and smarts to play the game, #2 teach them the system and #3 motivate them to give their best effort for the team and themselves. With the exception of Jordan every one of these guys has two years or more to have learned the "system". It's on the staff to turn all these super athletes/players, who they recruited, into a team. If Lavin is constantly tinkering with lineups, including starting a walk-on and the second to last man on the bench, to make a point to the other players then the results are on him more than the players.
Lavin is not or never was a great coach. At best he is slightly better than average and that's because he can recruit. I think our team has a lot of holes and will never reach the level of a top thirty team. What bothers me the most is that they haven't improved. None of them shoot with any consistency and they lack focus and for the most part don't hustle. What's with our shot blocker. he isn't blocking shots and doesn't smile like he did all of last year. He is not having fun. Our shooting guard is taking terrible shots(chucking). He should be passing more during critical points of the game. Our back up point guard makes to many mistakes. I am stopping at this point because I think you get the point. They all have holes. I will say that Lavin screwed himself big time when he said the team was not coachable. we all have seen teams this year that are not great talent wise but they do three things that are of paramount importance. They hustle, play smart and play as a team. Oh yea, one other thing, they can shoot.
Dunlap did a fine job. You were not here ripping him like so many were? Lavin is having a rough year. How can I be surprised that fire Lavin posts have shown up, along the spankings he's getting. The Phil dribbling in circles jokes came into being when the great Mike Dunlap was coaching. Having 6 beginners did not keep some from going after Mike. If the team was playing well and on the way to the dance Steve would not be catching it. Well things ain't going great so Steve is getting ripped. Thats how it works here, and thats fine.
beast of the east
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Here's the biggest role problem:
1) If you play well, you play.
2) If you don't play well you sit.
3) If you don't have 5 guys who have played well individually or as a unit, you play musical chairs.
Solve that problem, and guys knowing their roles goes away.
No, I wasn`t here ripping Dunlap just like I wasn`t here last year ripping Lavin because the team was young with not much depth.
I haven`t said fire Lavin just yet, but I`ll admit (and I guess I`ll be with the bad guys on here but I`ll deal with that.), that if SJU gets blown out the same way as G-Town then you better believe I`ll join the fire Lavin people in a heart beat.
That`s how it goes in all sports, Joe. It`s not only with SJU fans. Win and fans are happy. Lose and It`s not good.
People want to start seeing results after awhile.
And I bet you think I care if some question me? C`mon now.
I say it how it is.
I guess it`s a St. John`s board so I shouldn`t, only say sweet and nice things right.
Then if people want me to stop posting then hey I will, and everyone can live in a fairy land and think that everything is all good with SJU basketball. lmao
Sorry. I was wondering where my response went. All good guys here who want to win now. So does coach, but things don't always work out the way you would like. I think he walked into a tough spot and deserves more time to get things going. I expect things will work out, and hope he stays around.
I know you don't. And I don't disagree with you that this season so far has been disappointing. I just get tired of the Sports Radio style bravado and exaggeration and reptition that is prevalent in so many posts, not just yours. I, and I assume most others, don't come on here to learn about folks personal feelings about the team unless they have something intelligent to add.
However, YOU were the one having a go at Joe because you couldn't figure out what and where the information on his post was and that was unnecessary.
First I want to say, that I`m not a Norm guy. If they extended him after his sixth yeah I was ready to give up on them.
Then when he was gone and Lavin came I loved the move and created this user name.
Now with that being said, if we got on Norm in his fourth year, then why cant we get on Lavin? I expected better then this, not young this year, and has alot of depth. So i suppose to act like i`m all happy?
Could we get on lavin after his 6th year, which was Norm`s last year.
To reply to Austour`s post
I really thought that he reposted my post without a reply ok, so i really didn`t understand that.
STJ11Redmen
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Lavin was left a program that was in far better shape than the one Norm was left. It's unfair to compare the two scenarios.
Is Back, you or any poster can get on here and rip coach all you like. My gripe was team did not come out fighting, and did not put in proper 40 minutes of play. I might be disappointed less then others because I did not feel there was a reason to expect a big year. I was rooting and hoping, and I still am. This is coach's 3rd year coaching his own players, and I'm counting year he was not on the sidelines, I never figured there would be a post about firing him lacking improprieties so soon. I don't think it's been so bad that we would want to start all over. If teams lackluster play continues, and Steve not doing a big time job on the requiting front, I would expect him to face ridicule. Not now. Go Storm.
beast of the east
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To my knowledge, and other here would look it up, Norm was at about 400K. I don't know there sources, but New York magazine listed his 2005 salary at 300k, which seems extremely low (and a reason for the hire itself) http://nymag.com/guides/salary/14497/index4.html
It's been speculated that Lavin left money on the table to hire a top staff (which is admirable), and took about $1.4 mm, although it was reported at between 1.6 and 1.8 million. http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/2/26/2017821/steve-lavin-yeah-i-wanted-that-job
I remember reading that Jarvis' total package was more in the 800 range, and again could have been more by his final season, which was a package that included Nike money, TV show, etc. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/03/s...rvis-talk-but-coach-s-salary-is-an-issue.html
for those who don't mind getting riled up over Jarvis' assertions that he was a teacher first at SJU in the days before he was fired:
http://educationupdate.com/archives/2002/feb02/htmls/cover_jarvis.html
Look I understand you want to get on Lavin and probably rightfully so, however, your response is just 100% not true. Lavin was left with a team full of Seniors!! How is that going to help him in year 4?? This current roster, whether you like them or not, has nothing to do with what Norm left him. That is why year 4 is a good comparison, no?