Fire Lavin!

[quote="Andrew" post=318532][quote="we are sju" post=318500]Just like to point out that though I had no affinity for Lavin, I did not appear to contribute to this thread. Just skipped every 5 pages or so but do not see any of my posts. So Mullin fan or not, it appears that I am basically a patient, non whiny fan! At least since Norm was finally let go.[/quote]

So I scanned the first 20 pages to see who posted and was able to stop which is a good sign that I am able to control my OCD a little.

You show up a couple of times on page 5 or so arguing that Golden State should not fire Mark Jackson. Well maybe Mullin gets fired and Kerr comes here and leads us to multiple National Championships. Completely kidding so no need to rip into me. :)[/quote]

I am loyal!
Considering what came after the guys that played on the teams when I was young will always get benefit of doubt from me! And of my top 10 favorite athletes most of which played in the 80's when I was a kid most are Johnnies.
1.Walter Berry
2. Darryl Strawberry
3. Dwight Gooden
4. Chris Mullin
5. Bernard King
6. Mark Jackson
7. Jimmy Snuka
8. David Russell
9. Malik Sealy
10. Artest, Postell, Barkley, Bootsy & Grant
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318505][quote="Eric Williamson" post=318499][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318493][quote="Marillac" post=318492]"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -George Santayana"

-Marillac[/quote]

I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]

That's a terrible analogy. So you expect the school's administration to make a teaching change because of one disgruntled student and his/her parents? Now if the majority of the students and parents complain, that may be a different story. Even then, you have to look at and compare to past years results. If said teacher has been using the same teaching methods for 10 years and has achieved positive results, and then in year 11, results are down, that does not mean that the teacher is a bad teach and should be replaced. More than likely it was just a bad year, an outlier, and things will get back to 'normal' in future years.

In regards to Mullin, unless he voluntarily decides to step down, he isn't going anywhere. He provides a level of continuity and has improved every year since he's been here. The team has won 8, 14, 16, and currently 15 games in each season since he's been hired. The only argument to made against him is that the turnaround hasn't happened quick enough. Then you need to remember that we weren't exactly a powerhouse when he was brought in. We had made the tournament like 2 times in the past 20 years, so to expect Mullin to come here and make the tournament every year isn't that reasonable.[/quote]

People vote with their feet. How many have left the program since Mullin started here? What is the recruiting situation like with HS kids? That represents many disgruntled kids/parents in the analogy.

You're not taking a nuanced look at the results. You disregard huge factors like the OOC games being 90% cupcakes, progress but much slower than anticipated progress, etc. Since you love my analogies here's another...your boss pays you a few bucks more each year and you complain you don't get raises. Well, technically you are getting more money each year, just not nearly enough. Last year was NIT minimum regardless of LoVett and this season is NCAA's or bust. The only record that truly matters is your conference record. Our OOC schedule was an abomination and we were supposed to be undefeated. When our competition is more level in the same weight class, we have failed miserably. If you don't have real standards, you accept failure. This mindset has infected many fans sadly.[/quote]

If you are knocking Mullin for all the kids leaving, are you also rewarding him for all of players that have come here?

I guess I just don't understand what your expectations were. If you really thought that Mullin was going to be hired, and within 4 years we were going to be a perennial top 15 team, then you had your expectations way too high. In reference to another one of your outstanding analogies, a realistic scenario would be like someone who started at a job making $50K/year, then year two around $53K, then year 3 is $56K, and maybe year four is hopefully be $60K. What you are asking is for someone to go from making $50K in year one to be making $100K/year in year 4. It's just not going to happen.
 
frankly, I’m tired of hearing this “he has improved every year” line

If you get a 1.7 GPA your first semester in college and then improve by getting a 2.3, 2.5, 2.8. That’s all improvement, but is it improvement to be excited/satisfied about? No.

And I’ll take the analogy a step further, the semester you got a 2.8, you only achieved it by taking bullshit finger painting and other bs courses. Much like us “improving” our win total by playing a pretty weak OOC.

I don’t wanna hear about improvement until we actually improve in the big east. How about NOT playing on the first night for once?
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=318567]frankly, I’m tired of hearing this “he has improved every year” line

If you get a 1.7 GPA your first semester in college and then improve by getting a 2.3, 2.5, 2.8. That’s all improvement, but is it improvement to be excited/satisfied about? No.

And I’ll take the analogy a step further, the semester you got a 2.8, you only achieved it by taking bullshit finger painting and other bs courses. Much like us “improving” our win total by playing a pretty weak OOC.

I don’t wanna hear about improvement until we actually improve in the big east. How about NOT playing on the first night for once?[/quote]

awesome analogy
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=318567]frankly, I’m tired of hearing this “he has improved every year” line

If you get a 1.7 GPA your first semester in college and then improve by getting a 2.3, 2.5, 2.8. That’s all improvement, but is it improvement to be excited/satisfied about? No.

And I’ll take the analogy a step further, the semester you got a 2.8, you only achieved it by taking bullshit finger painting and other bs courses. Much like us “improving” our win total by playing a pretty weak OOC.

I don’t wanna hear about improvement until we actually improve in the big east. How about NOT playing on the first night for once?[/quote]

Yo quiero, yo quiero, yo quiero :(

jajajajaja
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=318567]frankly, I’m tired of hearing this “he has improved every year” line

If you get a 1.7 GPA your first semester in college and then improve by getting a 2.3, 2.5, 2.8. That’s all improvement, but is it improvement to be excited/satisfied about? No.

And I’ll take the analogy a step further, the semester you got a 2.8, you only achieved it by taking bullshit finger painting and other bs courses. Much like us “improving” our win total by playing a pretty weak OOC.

I don’t wanna hear about improvement until we actually improve in the big east. How about NOT playing on the first night for once?[/quote]

Hey how did you get my College transcript?
 
[quote="we are sju" post=318580][quote="Jack Williams" post=318567]frankly, I’m tired of hearing this “he has improved every year” line

If you get a 1.7 GPA your first semester in college and then improve by getting a 2.3, 2.5, 2.8. That’s all improvement, but is it improvement to be excited/satisfied about? No.

And I’ll take the analogy a step further, the semester you got a 2.8, you only achieved it by taking bullshit finger painting and other bs courses. Much like us “improving” our win total by playing a pretty weak OOC.

I don’t wanna hear about improvement until we actually improve in the big east. How about NOT playing on the first night for once?[/quote]

Hey how did you get my College transcript?[/quote]

Was just reading mine ;)

(completely kidding btw if my parents somehow ever see this)
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=318567]frankly, I’m tired of hearing this “he has improved every year” line

If you get a 1.7 GPA your first semester in college and then improve by getting a 2.3, 2.5, 2.8. That’s all improvement, but is it improvement to be excited/satisfied about? No.

And I’ll take the analogy a step further, the semester you got a 2.8, you only achieved it by taking bullshit finger painting and other bs courses. Much like us “improving” our win total by playing a pretty weak OOC.

I don’t wanna hear about improvement until we actually improve in the big east. How about NOT playing on the first night for once?[/quote]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt!
 
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