Fire Lavin!
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Oh spare me this blithering hypocritical nonsense about "redundancy". Its bs
Why is it the Lavin critics get this criticism. The Lavin defenders are every bit as "redundant" with their spin (and far less intelligent) with the constant "Its the players fault", "Lav had cancer, dad died...", and the most annoying of all "Lower you expectations, we're not Kansas or Kentucky".
The criticism will stop when the failure and disappointment stops. Until then, there will be an undercurrent of dissatisfaction and frustration that will show in the postings, just as there are on every other fan board of underperforming teams
Why is it the Lavin critics get this criticism. The Lavin defenders are every bit as "redundant" with their spin (and far less intelligent) with the constant "Its the players fault", "Lav had cancer, dad died...", and the most annoying of all "Lower you expectations, we're not Kansas or Kentucky".
The criticism will stop when the failure and disappointment stops. Until then, there will be an undercurrent of dissatisfaction and frustration that will show in the postings, just as there are on every other fan board of underperforming teams
TobinGrad no one is trying to stop the criticism at all. Some feel Lavin is doing a good job, some feel he is doing a piss poor job while others feel he needs more time in order to be evaluated.
Personally I couldn't care less what anyone believes as I have my own belief and that is there is room for a ton of improvement.
Having said that I don't repeat my opinion in every thread and in every topic. Not only is that spamming the board which is clearly a violation of the rules but it makes the board so unpleasant to read.
As a moderator I don't want to censor anyone, plet alone grown adults , but it is becoming more and more necessary if we want the board to continue. It has to be a pleasant place to go to.
State your point and mAke it clear but to state it over is redundant, adds zero positive to the board , is considering spamming and makes this board most unpleasant to read. We are not asking for too much.
In that this thread has clearly reached the end of its useful life, it is being locked. The topic no longer appears to be current, so anything posted at the moment would be "off-topic" and belongs somewhere else. In many cases, where they belong is not on the site at all.
To repeat some of the earlier comments, it is irrelevant to the moderators what your opinion is, as long as it is expressed in accordance with the site rules, which are a sticky at the top of this forum. We understand that some posters (like some of the moderators) are strong supporters of the Coach. We understand that some posters (like some moderators) are critical of the coach. Where you stand is not the issue. It is how many times you stand there (as in, how many times you feel compelled to say the same thing). And it is whether you have the strength of character to give other people a say without engaging with them in a non-substantive way.
"Spamming the site" with repetitive posts, baiting other posters, etc violate site rules and may result in your posting privileges - and they are privileges, not rights - being suspended or revoked. Be guided accordingly.
To repeat some of the earlier comments, it is irrelevant to the moderators what your opinion is, as long as it is expressed in accordance with the site rules, which are a sticky at the top of this forum. We understand that some posters (like some of the moderators) are strong supporters of the Coach. We understand that some posters (like some moderators) are critical of the coach. Where you stand is not the issue. It is how many times you stand there (as in, how many times you feel compelled to say the same thing). And it is whether you have the strength of character to give other people a say without engaging with them in a non-substantive way.
"Spamming the site" with repetitive posts, baiting other posters, etc violate site rules and may result in your posting privileges - and they are privileges, not rights - being suspended or revoked. Be guided accordingly.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Marillac" post=318492]"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -George Santayana"
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318493][quote="Marillac" post=318492]"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -George Santayana"
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]
Your analogies are worse than Justin Simon's ball-handling.
I have no emotion for Mullin in either direction. He was a decade before my time.
I said from the beginning that I would wait until the END of this season to evaluate him. I also posted that this team wouldn't hit its stride until February and has some painful lessons to learn before it became good.
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]
Your analogies are worse than Justin Simon's ball-handling.
I have no emotion for Mullin in either direction. He was a decade before my time.
I said from the beginning that I would wait until the END of this season to evaluate him. I also posted that this team wouldn't hit its stride until February and has some painful lessons to learn before it became good.
WillyDilly
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318493][quote="Marillac" post=318492]"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -George Santayana"
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]
That's a terrible analogy. So you expect the school's administration to make a teaching change because of one disgruntled student and his/her parents? Now if the majority of the students and parents complain, that may be a different story. Even then, you have to look at and compare to past years results. If said teacher has been using the same teaching methods for 10 years and has achieved positive results, and then in year 11, results are down, that does not mean that the teacher is a bad teach and should be replaced. More than likely it was just a bad year, an outlier, and things will get back to 'normal' in future years.
In regards to Mullin, unless he voluntarily decides to step down, he isn't going anywhere. He provides a level of continuity and has improved every year since he's been here. The team has won 8, 14, 16, and currently 15 games in each season since he's been hired. The only argument to made against him is that the turnaround hasn't happened quick enough. Then you need to remember that we weren't exactly a powerhouse when he was brought in. We had made the tournament like 2 times in the past 20 years, so to expect Mullin to come here and make the tournament every year isn't that reasonable.
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]
That's a terrible analogy. So you expect the school's administration to make a teaching change because of one disgruntled student and his/her parents? Now if the majority of the students and parents complain, that may be a different story. Even then, you have to look at and compare to past years results. If said teacher has been using the same teaching methods for 10 years and has achieved positive results, and then in year 11, results are down, that does not mean that the teacher is a bad teach and should be replaced. More than likely it was just a bad year, an outlier, and things will get back to 'normal' in future years.
In regards to Mullin, unless he voluntarily decides to step down, he isn't going anywhere. He provides a level of continuity and has improved every year since he's been here. The team has won 8, 14, 16, and currently 15 games in each season since he's been hired. The only argument to made against him is that the turnaround hasn't happened quick enough. Then you need to remember that we weren't exactly a powerhouse when he was brought in. We had made the tournament like 2 times in the past 20 years, so to expect Mullin to come here and make the tournament every year isn't that reasonable.
we are sju
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Just like to point out that though I had no affinity for Lavin, I did not appear to contribute to this thread. Just skipped every 5 pages or so but do not see any of my posts. So Mullin fan or not, it appears that I am basically a patient, non whiny fan! At least since Norm was finally let go.
Mike Zaun, Mullin already has three more wins than Jay Wright had in his first four years as a head coach. And he had a decade of experience as a college assistant.
Even at Villanova, Jay Wright was 6-10 in the Big East during his his bird season with EIGHT former RSCI top 100 recruits.
Doesn't it make sense that a brand new staff will get better with time? Our RPI has improved a lot each year.
Even at Villanova, Jay Wright was 6-10 in the Big East during his his bird season with EIGHT former RSCI top 100 recruits.
Doesn't it make sense that a brand new staff will get better with time? Our RPI has improved a lot each year.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Eric Williamson" post=318499][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318493][quote="Marillac" post=318492]"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -George Santayana"
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]
That's a terrible analogy. So you expect the school's administration to make a teaching change because of one disgruntled student and his/her parents? Now if the majority of the students and parents complain, that may be a different story. Even then, you have to look at and compare to past years results. If said teacher has been using the same teaching methods for 10 years and has achieved positive results, and then in year 11, results are down, that does not mean that the teacher is a bad teach and should be replaced. More than likely it was just a bad year, an outlier, and things will get back to 'normal' in future years.
In regards to Mullin, unless he voluntarily decides to step down, he isn't going anywhere. He provides a level of continuity and has improved every year since he's been here. The team has won 8, 14, 16, and currently 15 games in each season since he's been hired. The only argument to made against him is that the turnaround hasn't happened quick enough. Then you need to remember that we weren't exactly a powerhouse when he was brought in. We had made the tournament like 2 times in the past 20 years, so to expect Mullin to come here and make the tournament every year isn't that reasonable.[/quote]
People vote with their feet. How many have left the program since Mullin started here? What is the recruiting situation like with HS kids? That represents many disgruntled kids/parents in the analogy.
You're not taking a nuanced look at the results. You disregard huge factors like the OOC games being 90% cupcakes, progress but much slower than anticipated progress, etc. Since you love my analogies here's another...your boss pays you a few bucks more each year and you complain you don't get raises. Well, technically you are getting more money each year, just not nearly enough. Last year was NIT minimum regardless of LoVett and this season is NCAA's or bust. The only record that truly matters is your conference record. Our OOC schedule was an abomination and we were supposed to be undefeated. When our competition is more level in the same weight class, we have failed miserably. If you don't have real standards, you accept failure. This mindset has infected many fans sadly.
-Marillac[/quote]
I can't believe you really believe that continuity should come before results. Imagine your kid having a terrible teacher and at a meeting, the administration tells you they plan to keep the teacher because continuity is more important than competence and results. It's your emotion involving Mullin interfering with your thought process IMO.[/quote]
That's a terrible analogy. So you expect the school's administration to make a teaching change because of one disgruntled student and his/her parents? Now if the majority of the students and parents complain, that may be a different story. Even then, you have to look at and compare to past years results. If said teacher has been using the same teaching methods for 10 years and has achieved positive results, and then in year 11, results are down, that does not mean that the teacher is a bad teach and should be replaced. More than likely it was just a bad year, an outlier, and things will get back to 'normal' in future years.
In regards to Mullin, unless he voluntarily decides to step down, he isn't going anywhere. He provides a level of continuity and has improved every year since he's been here. The team has won 8, 14, 16, and currently 15 games in each season since he's been hired. The only argument to made against him is that the turnaround hasn't happened quick enough. Then you need to remember that we weren't exactly a powerhouse when he was brought in. We had made the tournament like 2 times in the past 20 years, so to expect Mullin to come here and make the tournament every year isn't that reasonable.[/quote]
People vote with their feet. How many have left the program since Mullin started here? What is the recruiting situation like with HS kids? That represents many disgruntled kids/parents in the analogy.
You're not taking a nuanced look at the results. You disregard huge factors like the OOC games being 90% cupcakes, progress but much slower than anticipated progress, etc. Since you love my analogies here's another...your boss pays you a few bucks more each year and you complain you don't get raises. Well, technically you are getting more money each year, just not nearly enough. Last year was NIT minimum regardless of LoVett and this season is NCAA's or bust. The only record that truly matters is your conference record. Our OOC schedule was an abomination and we were supposed to be undefeated. When our competition is more level in the same weight class, we have failed miserably. If you don't have real standards, you accept failure. This mindset has infected many fans sadly.
JohnnyFever
Active member
[quote="Marillac" post=318503]Mike Zaun, Mullin already has three more wins than Jay Wright had in his first four years as a head coach. And he had a decade of experience as a college assistant.
Even at Villanova, Jay Wright was 6-10 in the Big East during his his bird season with EIGHT former RSCI top 100 recruits.
Doesn't it make sense that a brand new staff will get better with time? Our RPI has improved a lot each year.[/quote]
Jay Wright: 32-32 in conference in 4 years (50% winning)
Chris Mullin: 15-47 in conference in his 4th year to this point (31% winning)
That's when you take the fluff away of the OOC. You can't totally disregard OOC of course because sometimes you get nice wins, but for the most part it's low and mid major cupcakes. Jay Wright was also 24-8 (11-5) in his 4th year and had them ranked 19th to finish the season. If Mullin did what Jay Wright did in his year 4, I'd be working on his statue. There's still time for Mullin of course and will see what happens, but hard to see a path to success with this 3 game stretch.
Even at Villanova, Jay Wright was 6-10 in the Big East during his his bird season with EIGHT former RSCI top 100 recruits.
Doesn't it make sense that a brand new staff will get better with time? Our RPI has improved a lot each year.[/quote]
Jay Wright: 32-32 in conference in 4 years (50% winning)
Chris Mullin: 15-47 in conference in his 4th year to this point (31% winning)
That's when you take the fluff away of the OOC. You can't totally disregard OOC of course because sometimes you get nice wins, but for the most part it's low and mid major cupcakes. Jay Wright was also 24-8 (11-5) in his 4th year and had them ranked 19th to finish the season. If Mullin did what Jay Wright did in his year 4, I'd be working on his statue. There's still time for Mullin of course and will see what happens, but hard to see a path to success with this 3 game stretch.
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we are sju
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You knew it was going to haunt us in some fashion but have to point out should be 4-4!