Fire Lavin!

I agree with a lot of the frustration Tom expressed. This was a bad bad loss.
But I don't think this game is the time to blame coach.
There were things I disagreed with, sure. But at the end of the day he played his 3 best players (Harrison, Jordan, Sampson) 30+mins each. He had branch running the offense when Jordan wasn't in there, and he kept his rotation short,and barely played hooper and gift. This is what we've all been asking for, and what he wasn't doing earlier in the season.

For the most part, he had the right guys on the court. Dom playing 5 less mins wouldn't have meant sh$t. The team was exposed tonight.

There will b a time to evaluate coach.
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Played Gift just long enough for him to miss lay ups, all his foul shots and fumble away every pass. But do agree with your post.
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Yep...and I suppose it's Lavin's fault that out 6'9 center couldn't make a layup or hit free throws. How dare coach Lavin for not practicing layups or free throws!!
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If GG was 6'9 maybe he wouldn't have missed the layup!
 
I think this thread should be locked for at least 36-48 hours after a game, as it is comical after a win it's either i apologize for screaming fire the coach, or if its a loss it's fire the coach. I think it's detrimental to the players who likely read this, potential recruits, their parents, and other people involved.
 
I was over at Hoyasaxa several weeks ago, and came across this particular post....

"The conversation is far livelier and more intelligent over at Casual Hoya. There's (get this!) actual perspective over there - this board is now overpopulated by the worst type of sports fans: Embittered folks with way too much emotional investment in the won-loss results of a group of young men in their late teens/early 20s. It's one thing to care - we all care. It's another to revel in the team's failings, and to use every negative occurrence as an excuse to question the talent and character of our coaching staff and our roster. The great results of the past decade are largely ignored at the first sign of adversity - the loud and cynical grab pitchforks and pink slips and start pounding their keyboards around here.

RDF was the canary in the coal mine: This board's existence as a useful place to talk about Georgetown basketball has ceased. It is now a haven for the angry and the bored. Good riddance."

The difference is our past decade hasn't been nearly as good, as G'town's. But other than that this post hits home when it comes to this site. The same probably can be said for other, collegiate football/basketball sites, as well. Those types aren't usually large (unless, things are really bad), but they tend to make the most noise. I know someone will subconsciously believe it's them and will chime in. Have at it....

**RDF is a poster over at Hoyatalk. I don't believe he posts much any, longer, and that is why the OP mentioned his name. Seems RDF saw where the board was headed.**
 
I was over at Hoyasaxa several weeks ago, and came across this particular post....

"The conversation is far livelier and more intelligent over at Casual Hoya. There's (get this!) actual perspective over there - this board is now overpopulated by the worst type of sports fans: Embittered folks with way too much emotional investment in the won-loss results of a group of young men in their late teens/early 20s. It's one thing to care - we all care. It's another to revel in the team's failings, and to use every negative occurrence as an excuse to question the talent and character of our coaching staff and our roster. The great results of the past decade are largely ignored at the first sign of adversity - the loud and cynical grab pitchforks and pink slips and start pounding their keyboards around here.

RDF was the canary in the coal mine: This board's existence as a useful place to talk about Georgetown basketball has ceased. It is now a haven for the angry and the bored. Good riddance."

The difference is our past decade hasn't been nearly as good, as G'town's. But other than that this post hits home when it comes to this site. The same probably can be said for other, collegiate football/basketball sites, as well. Those types aren't usually large (unless, things are really bad), but they tend to make the most noise. I know someone will subconsciously believe it's them and will chime in. Have at it....

**RDF is a poster over at Hoyatalk. I don't believe he posts much any, longer, and that is why the OP mentioned his name. Seems RDF saw where the board was headed.**
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Great post, MJ. Sometimes we lose sight of the fact these are young men playing, many of them still teenagers. Valid criticism of their strengths and weaknesses on the court is fair. As is valid criticism of Lavin. But all the criticism needs to be tempered. Calling for Lavin, for example, to be fired after a loss is just as bad as calling for him to get a raise and a multi-year contract extension after a win. I guess that's why "fan" is short for "fanatic."
 
Feeling disgruntled and immature, so I decided to post on this thread just to get it on the top again.

FIRE SLICK STEVE!!!

Anyone who disagrees needs to put down the kool aid and step away from the keyboard.

Those of you waiting for the season to be over until you judge him.......WAKE UP.......the season is OVER!

This guy is a hack.
 
Everyone is entitled to an opinion about Coach, but if SJU were to fire Lavin, then who is going to come in here and be more successful?

There is not a long list out there. We are not going to get a coach from a major university to leave and come here. We lost our chance to have a real coach at SJU in 2004 when Louie killed the Calipari deal which was locked up and ready to go. Had that happened, we wouldve had a national title and a 12,000 seat on campus arena. Calipari would be coaching the Knicks by now but the table wouldve been nicely set for his successor and we would be doing great still. The idea of firing Coach is fine but who do the arm chair AD's suggesting this think we should get to replace him? Please dont tell me some assistant from a big school who has never been a head coach. We went that route with Norm Roberts and it was an absolute disaster. If Lavin is replaced we would need someone who has a track record of winning as a D-1 coach. Again, my point is that the list is not long.....

As frustrating as this season has been, and I will admit I am as frustrated as anyone, the truth is Coach Lavin in 4 years has us on the bubble for the NCAAs plus an NCAA appearance in 2011.

Our last coach didnt even come in the same hemisphere as far as success as Coach Lavin....so it can be worse.....those who think it can be better....well, i would love to hear names.
 
?.......the season is OVER!
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Hey JohnnyFan

StJohns is now at 18 wins. IMO if it gets to 21 wins with their 2 remaining regular season games and a win in the Big East Tourney then they likely get in.

Yes, I agree that this season has been a disappointment but, no the season is not yet quite over as you state in your posts.
 
Everyone is entitled to an opinion about Coach, but if SJU were to fire Lavin, then who is going to come in here and be more successful?

There is not a long list out there. We are not going to get a coach from a major university to leave and come here. We lost our chance to have a real coach at SJU in 2004 when Louie killed the Calipari deal which was locked up and ready to go. Had that happened, we wouldve had a national title and a 12,000 seat on campus arena. Calipari would be coaching the Knicks by now but the table wouldve been nicely set for his successor and we would be doing great still. The idea of firing Coach is fine but who do the arm chair AD's suggesting this think we should get to replace him? Please dont tell me some assistant from a big school who has never been a head coach. We went that route with Norm Roberts and it was an absolute disaster. If Lavin is replaced we would need someone who has a track record of winning as a D-1 coach. Again, my point is that the list is not long.....

As frustrating as this season has been, and I will admit I am as frustrated as anyone, the truth is Coach Lavin in 4 years has us on the bubble for the NCAAs plus an NCAA appearance in 2011.

Our last coach didnt even come in the same hemisphere as far as success as Coach Lavin....so it can be worse.....those who think it can be better....well, i would love to hear names.
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So you think Lavin has been successful? Year one wasn't his players so he doesn't get all the credit for that. This year is still up in the air, if we make theNCAAs then we are tending in the right direction otherwise I do not think Lavin is a success. This is the year he stated would be the year. Year 3 with his players.
 
Feeling disgruntled and immature, so I decided to post on this thread just to get it on the top again.

FIRE SLICK STEVE!!!

Anyone who disagrees needs to put down the kool aid and step away from the keyboard.

Those of you waiting for the season to be over until you judge him.......WAKE UP.......the season is OVER!

This guy is a hack.
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That means starting all over again. Are you willing to take a chance on an unheralded coach and wait another 3 to 4 years to see if it works out? And I say "unheralded" because as Avon said, there is no high power, hugely successful coach who will leave his current position to come here.

I for one am not willing to start over again.
 
The university is in the process of hiring a new president, under a cloud of scandal. They are not going to fire Lavin -- the school's highest-paid employee by far - and try to replace him until the new president process is over and done with.
 
I am not saying there are no people who really advocate getting rid of Lavin but I think too much is being made of this thread because of the title. I think it more reflects the frustration of the season than any real desire by most to see him replaced. I may be wrong but that is my gut. In reality, I just don't see any way he is going to be replaced nor do I think he should be.
 
I am not saying there are no people who really advocate getting rid of Lavin but I think too much is being made of this thread because of the title. I think it more reflects the frustration of the season than any real desire by most to see him replaced. I may be wrong but that is my gut. In reality, I just don't see any way he is going to be replaced nor do I think he should be.
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You are 100% right.
+100
 
Steve Lavin isn't going anywhere! Some posters are schizophrenic, when the team was on a win streak they went into hiding. Now we hit a bump in the road and they come out and scream. I think this thread is a disgrace.
 
Everyone is entitled to an opinion about Coach, but if SJU were to fire Lavin, then who is going to come in here and be more successful?

There is not a long list out there. We are not going to get a coach from a major university to leave and come here. We lost our chance to have a real coach at SJU in 2004 when Louie killed the Calipari deal which was locked up and ready to go. Had that happened, we wouldve had a national title and a 12,000 seat on campus arena. Calipari would be coaching the Knicks by now but the table wouldve been nicely set for his successor and we would be doing great still. The idea of firing Coach is fine but who do the arm chair AD's suggesting this think we should get to replace him? Please dont tell me some assistant from a big school who has never been a head coach. We went that route with Norm Roberts and it was an absolute disaster. If Lavin is replaced we would need someone who has a track record of winning as a D-1 coach. Again, my point is that the list is not long.....

As frustrating as this season has been, and I will admit I am as frustrated as anyone, the truth is Coach Lavin in 4 years has us on the bubble for the NCAAs plus an NCAA appearance in 2011.

Our last coach didnt even come in the same hemisphere as far as success as Coach Lavin....so it can be worse.....those who think it can be better....well, i would love to hear names.
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So you think Lavin has been successful? Year one wasn't his players so he doesn't get all the credit for that. This year is still up in the air, if we make theNCAAs then we are tending in the right direction otherwise I do not think Lavin is a success. This is the year he stated would be the year. Year 3 with his players.
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I do not consider Lavin's tenure here a success. I do not consider Lavin a good game coach(I have not since his days at UCLA). I am not sure that we are headed in the right direction under his leadership. But I have absolutely zero faith in the school bringing in someone who can do better than Lavin has done. So as disgruntled as I am, I'm sort of adopting that "devil you know" attitude because I know how much worse it can be.
 
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