Dunn

[monte]

In other words, play him offf the ball and let Posh close it out.

But that really is the rub. Offensively, if he doesn’t have the ball, what role is he serving?

I think he means at the end of the game 
 

 

[lawmanfan]

In other words, play him offf the ball and let Posh close it out.
 

It's pick your poison.  IMO Posh is too sloppy with the ball in traffic and shares the same Dunn trait of trying too hard to get to the rim instead of looking for other options.  But Posh has grown by leaps and bounds during the season and will continue to do so.

 

[espken]

 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Lawmanfan in the positives column I'd add ( provides great team leadership and mentorship  ). That might be more important than all his other positives as Posh has even mentioned it

 

[monte]

For us old timers, we were really spoiled with the likes of Boo Harvey and Marcus Hatten closing out games. 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

In other words, play him offf the ball and let Posh close it out.

But that really is the rub. Offensively, if he doesn’t have the ball, what role is he serving?

I think he means at the end of the game 

 

We’d have to specify what “close it out” means. Having him as another ball handler and capable free throw shooter is a big plus when teams are scrambling last minute to make final attempt at game. But in a close game down the stretch when the game slows down we struggle enough to score already. Having Dunn as your off guard only makes it harder once it becomes more of a half court affair.

 

[espken]

"Close it out" meaning when we have the lead in the final seconds. We' have enough sample size already to know what is not working.

 

[beast of the east]

In other words, play him offf the ball and let Posh close it out.

But that really is the rub. Offensively, if he doesn’t have the ball, what role is he serving?

He is not useless with the ball in his hand, it's just that in big situations Posh is a more reliable ball handler.    I'm going to go against the grain and say that responding well in the crucial last 5 minutes of a game is a learned experience.  He is certainly cool at the foul line in crunch time, so I haven't written him off as not being capable of coming through.   

 

[Mullins Revenge]

Coach loves Dunn so he is going to be playing a ton.  He has provided nothing on the offensive end the last few games.  Id be giving Wusu more minutes and dunn less but that will never happen.  Coach is a dunn guy.  hope his offense starts to come around.

 

[Knight]

If we could do something in the last ten seconds, other than having the ball in Dunn's hands and all our players away from the basket so Dunn can do his thing we'd be better off.  Run a play, put the ball in Champ's hands, or another shooter.

 

[boo haarvey]

For us old timers, we were really spoiled with the likes of Boo Harvey and Marcus Hatten closing out games. 

Two of the best clutch players we ever had.  Believe Boo hit three  game winners at the buzzer his senior year.
 

 

[lawmanfan]

For us old timers, we were really spoiled with the likes of Boo Harvey and Marcus Hatten closing out games. 

Two of the best clutch players we ever had.  Believe Boo hit three  game winners at the buzzer his senior year.

 

And those were just the most notable ones.  Absolute assassin.

 

[lawmanfan]

If we could do something in the last ten seconds, other than having the ball in Dunn's hands and all our players away from the basket so Dunn can do his thing we'd be better off.  Run a play, put the ball in Champ's hands, or another shooter.
 

Our drive-and-kick game, along with our screens, is ... not good.  Two areas we have to improve to compete better when teams force us into the halfcourt (which they're all going to try to do).  Also when we get 2-3 zoned the staff needs to get Moore to the foul line - he should be deadly from there as a passer or shooter. 

But halfcourt offense is not our staff's strong suit, so I may be beating that drum for a looong time.

 

[Redmen88]

If we could do something in the last ten seconds, other than having the ball in Dunn's hands and all our players away from the basket so Dunn can do his thing we'd be better off.  Run a play, put the ball in Champ's hands, or another shooter.

I like Dunn and he is good player when he plays within himself but... I would take Dunn out of the game with 30 seconds or less and if it is within one possesion.  He has proved too many times that he cannot handle that situation.  I go Posh, Champ, Moore, Cole and Earlington and give the ball to Posh.  Earlington at the FT line Moore under the basket with Cole & Champ on wings.  I like my chances best in this manner and can handle us not executing vs dribbling the ball into submission and watching the clock tick down.

 

 

[espken]

Two of the best clutch players we ever had.  Believe Boo hit three  game winners at the buzzer his senior year.
 

Three game winners plus a clutch 3 that forced overtime at Seton Hall. Boo ended up with 40, offsetting Marco Lokar's 41. Four clutch shots turning back 4 losses.

 

[redman#13]

So to sum it up:

Dunn positives:  physical and mental toughness, takes ball-handling pressure off of Posh, experience, good on-ball defense, makes some good passes, willing to attack the rim, unafraid of having the ball in his hands at crunch time, a decent-but-not-great overall free-throw shooter but tends to make them at the end of the game.

Dunn negatives:  Can't shoot the 3 at all; doesn't shoot the midrange jumper enough to know whether it's good, bad or just streaky; doesn't use the pull-up in the lane that would really help his game; makes some bad decisions with the ball (what point guard doesn't); and (my personal pet peeve) if he gets the ball with 12 seconds or less on the shot clock there is a 90% probability that he will drive the lane, a 10% probability that he will take some other shot, and a 0% probability that he will kick it to an open teammate.

What I would say about the various end-of-game comments which as Logen noted range from wants the ball in his hands to turnovers to freezes is that it's all part of the Dunn package:  he is a tough kid who is willing to take the game on his shoulders.  The result of that is that he sometimes (too often) tries to do too much in pressure situations and that's what results in the fumbles and turnovers in those spots.  I don't think it's remotely fair to say he "freezes," that is not a characteristic of a guy who's looking to make a play to win the game.

Is he a good player to have on your team?  Absolutely - in the correct role and correct situations.  Unlike most of the others on the roster, he's past the point where you can expect him to add that many tools to his toolkit.  But he has useful tools when used properly.

Fair enough?


Fair points. Maybe I shouldn't of said he freezes is up. But there have been one to many times we were not able to get a shot off at the end of games
 

 

[SJUFAN2]

For us old timers, we were really spoiled with the likes of Boo Harvey and Marcus Hatten closing out games. 

Two of the best clutch players we ever had.  Believe Boo hit three  game winners at the buzzer his senior year.



 

And those were just the most notable ones.  Absolute assassin

 

My favorite SJU PG of all-time.   Followed closely by Eric Barkley.   
My hope that in 4 years I can move Boo down a peg on my list behind Posh.

 

[boo haarvey]

Two of the best clutch players we ever had.  Believe Boo hit three  game winners at the buzzer his senior year.
 

Three game winners plus a clutch 3 that forced overtime at Seton Hall. Boo ended up with 40, offsetting Marco Lokar's 41. Four clutch shots turning back 4 losses.

I remember that seton hall game.  Believe Terry Dehere had a big game for the Hall.  I remember Boo's shot against DePaul in the pre-season NIT.  The tournament game against Duke was depressing.  If Williams didn't go down with a knee injury that year, that could have been a final four team.

 

[monte]

Coach loves Dunn so he is going to be playing a ton.  He has provided nothing on the offensive end the last few games.  Id be giving Wusu more minutes and dunn less but that will never happen.  Coach is a dunn guy.  hope his offense starts to come around.


We are playing our best ball of the year and just got done playing our best game in years. Why in God's name would CMA start messing with what's working? And why would you feel the need to question what CMA is doing when it's working? I said it before and I'll say it again; I don't care how CMA gets it done as long as he's getting it done. Right now, he's getting it done in a big way. As for your assertion that CMA plays Dunn so much because he loves him, I've seen nothing to indicate that he plays one kid over another because he loves him more. 
 

 

[Section3]

No matter how he has shot or played lately Dunn will be on the floor at the end of tight games.   In a foul shot situation he doesn't get rattled at the end, and you need those guys on the floor when the game is on the line.

he has his warts but he is an elite defender that does not foul...and it is nearly impossible to stop him from getting to the basket