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Mullins Revenge
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Dunn was great in the 2nd half today. He needs to be more consistant though, He makes way to many mistakes on the offensive end for a senior. Thats the frustrating part.
Hopefully, he cleans that up moving forward.
Hopefully, he cleans that up moving forward.
He's playing well as a leader, defender and distributor...
For his sake, I hope he can find a little bit of an outside shot. He was never great...mid 20's, but he's averaging 10.5% right now (only 19 attempts though). Last year was 17-76 (22.5%).
For a guy who plays with no fear elsewhere, he must be shaken to take it from deep. Odd that he struggles to extent he has since he seems confident from just inside. Flip side, Alexander is now up to 36%.
For his sake, I hope he can find a little bit of an outside shot. He was never great...mid 20's, but he's averaging 10.5% right now (only 19 attempts though). Last year was 17-76 (22.5%).
For a guy who plays with no fear elsewhere, he must be shaken to take it from deep. Odd that he struggles to extent he has since he seems confident from just inside. Flip side, Alexander is now up to 36%.
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beast of the east
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I guess one of the first rules in basketball is to take shots you can make. In 20 games this year, he has taken only 19 3's. Last season twice as many. We are winning more, and better decisions overall are a big part of that. I'd say for now, the less he shoots from three, the better.RedStormNC" post=418088 said:
I think it's evident that Dunn has made a conscious decision not to take many three this year and that is a good thing for him and the team. He has many pluses he brings to the table but shooting is not one of them. His four year overall FG percentages are all between 38-40%. If he can do all the good things he does for us, including as far as shooting hit his free throws, drive strong to the hoop and hit the occasional pull up jumper from 2 point range that is all good.
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Dunn actually cut down on his three point attempts the latter part of last season and SJU was a better team for that and other reasons. He has cut down the attempts even more this season and the team has benefitted even more.
Much has been made about Dunn's turnovers because, well, some of our fan base loves to find reasons to dump on Dunn. In fairness, I got frustrated with some of his turnovers against Xavier, but the reality of it is, that Dunn's turnovers per 40 minutes don't even rank near the worst inthe big east. And for a kid who has the balls in his hands as much as Dunn does, and who is always going 100 MPH on a team that plays uptempo ball, that's saying sornething. Here's how he stacks up against some of the better big east guards:
Moore 4.1
Carton 3.8
Bouknight 3.4
Duke 3.4
Scruggs 3.2
Posh 3.2
Thompson 3.1
Dunn 3.1
Blair 3.0
And for good measures, Mamu averages 3.8. Yes Dunn is careless at times with the ball, and yes I wish he'd use better judgement sometimes, but every kid has his strengths and weaknesses. So this is something that I've come to live with.
Moore 4.1
Carton 3.8
Bouknight 3.4
Duke 3.4
Scruggs 3.2
Posh 3.2
Thompson 3.1
Dunn 3.1
Blair 3.0
And for good measures, Mamu averages 3.8. Yes Dunn is careless at times with the ball, and yes I wish he'd use better judgement sometimes, but every kid has his strengths and weaknesses. So this is something that I've come to live with.
Mullins Revenge
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Dunn is an old school guard. He cant catch and shoot or hit a standstill jumper.
He can pull up off the dribble and make shots. Hes realized this. You now never see him catch and launch. If he is going to take a jumper, he takes a few hard dribbles left or right and pulls up.
Hes like a guard in the 80s.
He can pull up off the dribble and make shots. Hes realized this. You now never see him catch and launch. If he is going to take a jumper, he takes a few hard dribbles left or right and pulls up.
Hes like a guard in the 80s.
Anthony Mattia
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Monte, I was going to post something similar but then thought, why? There are some fans that don't like/appreciate Dunn and will always point out his faults/flaws. Stop trying to confuse them with stats. It's pointless.
At work today I took a look at all the Big East starting Point guards during BE play. I'll go back and include Dunn so we can get a good look. One quick thing is during conference games Posh and Dunn's A:TO per 40 min:
Posh 2.07
dunn 1.74
Not that Dunn's number is bad at all, but a 5th year pg splitting duties with a freshmen, you might expect it to be reversed.
Posh 2.07
dunn 1.74
Not that Dunn's number is bad at all, but a 5th year pg splitting duties with a freshmen, you might expect it to be reversed.
Dunn is a big positive for us. He's playing better and his leadership is important. When he makes a mistake, he doesn't wallow in it, he plays through it. I am not thrilled to see the ball in his hands the last 10 seconds of the game because he tends to go one-on-one too often and frequently leads to turnovers.
That being said, I hope he returns next year to lead our guards along with Posh.
That being said, I hope he returns next year to lead our guards along with Posh.
NYCHOOPS
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Big fan of Dunn. Tremendous motor and his mid range game is really been a huge plus. Has knocked down some timely mid range jumpers when we needed them. Yes, he is always good for a bonehead turnover or two per game, such is life. Our winning streak has mirrored his strong play and increased minutes. When Dunn and posh are cooking , we are scary quick and aggressive. Yes, he sometimes has tunnel vision and forces the action a bit. All in all - big part of our winning streak
beast of the east
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St. John's plays a high speed game, always pushing the ball up, looking for the inevitable 4 on 3, 3 on 2, wide open looks that occur before the defense sets. The price to pay is more turnovers, but CMA has said more than once is that the goal is play a type of ball that makes other teams uncomfortable, and when you make the other team speed up, they will make more mistakes playing an uncomfortable style than we will. So, part of analyzing Dunn's turnovers, is comparing it not to other guards season stats, but the number of turnovers we are producing per game on defense, and the number of easy baskets that are created by our high speed style of play. That doesn't always lead to assists by Dunn, but an unoffical stat we track is the pass that leads to a pass leading to a basket.
Beast of the East" post=420332 said:
Good points. But to play devils advocate a little (and I feel I have to say I am a Dunn fan but this is a board where we discuss our players), for all intensive purposes a pull up semi contested jumper on the break with no rebounders underneath could be considered a TO. Now Dunn has made a great % of those shots as of late but we are talking about a career sub40% shooter. I still hope we never see that shot again. In the half court, flow of the offense, sure.
Dunn has been overall excellent for us. He's making those midrange jumpers that we need from him and pushing the tempo. We essentially play with 2 PG's out there, both very aggressive going to the hole, which is hard for teams to defend. Dunn will always have his weak points, but he's been a huge part of our run and our success lately.