Dunn
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Dunn did not play well last nite , didn't hit shots and turned ball over. IMO he took too many shots and no one was ever in rebounding position for his misses . Didn't shoot well against Marquette either.
Moose
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Monte" post=417166 said:
I know you have a soft spot for Dunn. But lets be fair.
His last 3 games he's shot 1-4. 4-11 and 1-6. 9 assists to 1 TO vs. DePaul was great. But since then 6 assists to 9 TO's.
Yes he's very good from the FT line.
Yes I like that he has pretty much stopped trying to shoot 3's as the season has gone on. That awareness of limitations is good maturity.
It's not ripping him. It's just pointing out he's still has plenty of flaws. I personally dont feel comfortable at all with the ball in his hands at the end of the game. And that dates back to last year when there were 3-4 games where he fumbled the ball in the last minute. The team is playing better so yes its not as big of an issue. But that doesnt mean he's immune from factual criticism.
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beast of the east
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No matter how he has shot or played lately Dunn will be on the floor at the end of tight games. In a foul shot situation he doesn't get rattled at the end, and you need those guys on the floor when the game is on the line.
Dunn(3.1) is actually 2nd on the team in TOV per 40 minutes to Posh(3.5). Wasu is next at 3.0. Dunn may have the ball in his hands more than any player on our team, so that stat is somewhat decieving. He is always going 110 MPH(it sometimes feels like wreckless abandon) and is always looking to make things happen in our up-tempo offense. TOVs are gonna happen. By comparison, Jalen Suggs, one of the best players in the country on the best team in the country, averages 4.2 TOVs per 40 minutes. I use a Gonzaga guard as an example because they also play an up-tempo style. Marcus Carr, also one of the best players in the country, has been a train wreck with the ball in his hand at the end of games, including last night at Rutgers. Obviously not comparing Dunn to Suggs and Carr overall. To Maher, Roamer and Beast's points, Dunn has shown growth in his decision making and wants the ball with the game on the line. He's far from perfect, but in spite of what some of you guys think, we are a much better team right now in part because of Dunn, not in spite of him.
Monte" post=417209 said:
I just hope he (and you
) understands it’s not a slight at him when I’d prefer it be in someone else’s hands. Regardless good post and nice references regarding TOs.
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Dunn is instrumental to this team. Yes, he makes some frustrating turnovers, but he also looks to set up his teammates in good spots. Cole was able to get some wide open 3 point attempts versus Nova because of Dunn's penetration. With Dunn taking some of the dribbling load, it allows posh to exert more energy on his on ball defense, than he would if he had to bring the ball up the court the majority of the game. If Mcgriff doesn't develop, who else is going to alleviate that workload.
Agree Dunn should be on the floor at the end because of his foul shooting, but some of his decisions baffle me.
He repeatedly dribbled into the trapping area at half court and once had to call Time out to save him.
At the end of the game when Wusu was inbounding the ball at mid court he again ran into this same area to receive the ball instead of back court where he had ample room to maneuver.
He repeatedly dribbled into the trapping area at half court and once had to call Time out to save him.
At the end of the game when Wusu was inbounding the ball at mid court he again ran into this same area to receive the ball instead of back court where he had ample room to maneuver.
Dunn had a bad game againt Nova, but agree with Monte that we've been a better team over the last 6 or 7 games partly because of him, certainly not in spite of him. He brings a lot to the table, including outstanding defense, leadership, ability to drive and make foul shots. One thing he'll never bring is good shooting. His FG percentage numbers are remarkably conistent over 4 years: 38.7%, 39%, 37.7% & 38.7%. Happy to live with that limitation given other things he brings to the table, but he'll never be a good shooter.
Amaseinyourface" post=417214 said:Monte" post=417209 said:
I just hope he (and you
I get it Amase. I may be ever so slightly biased(lol) towards Dunn, but he sometimes makes me nervous at the end of games as well. Just think the whole TOV thing is overblown and goes back to the end-of-game situations last season. Also don't see the need to pile on the criticism of him, especially after a game where he played his ass off (yet again) and, as a result, we beat one of the best teams in the country for one of our biggest wins in a long time.
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So to sum it up:
Dunn positives: physical and mental toughness, takes ball-handling pressure off of Posh, experience, good on-ball defense, makes some good passes, willing to attack the rim, unafraid of having the ball in his hands at crunch time, a decent-but-not-great overall free-throw shooter but tends to make them at the end of the game.
Dunn negatives: Can't shoot the 3 at all; doesn't shoot the midrange jumper enough to know whether it's good, bad or just streaky; doesn't use the pull-up in the lane that would really help his game; makes some bad decisions with the ball (what point guard doesn't); and (my personal pet peeve) if he gets the ball with 12 seconds or less on the shot clock there is a 90% probability that he will drive the lane, a 10% probability that he will take some other shot, and a 0% probability that he will kick it to an open teammate.
What I would say about the various end-of-game comments which as Logen noted range from wants the ball in his hands to turnovers to freezes is that it's all part of the Dunn package: he is a tough kid who is willing to take the game on his shoulders. The result of that is that he sometimes (too often) tries to do too much in pressure situations and that's what results in the fumbles and turnovers in those spots. I don't think it's remotely fair to say he "freezes," that is not a characteristic of a guy who's looking to make a play to win the game.
Is he a good player to have on your team? Absolutely - in the correct role and correct situations. Unlike most of the others on the roster, he's past the point where you can expect him to add that many tools to his toolkit. But he has useful tools when used properly.
Fair enough?
Dunn positives: physical and mental toughness, takes ball-handling pressure off of Posh, experience, good on-ball defense, makes some good passes, willing to attack the rim, unafraid of having the ball in his hands at crunch time, a decent-but-not-great overall free-throw shooter but tends to make them at the end of the game.
Dunn negatives: Can't shoot the 3 at all; doesn't shoot the midrange jumper enough to know whether it's good, bad or just streaky; doesn't use the pull-up in the lane that would really help his game; makes some bad decisions with the ball (what point guard doesn't); and (my personal pet peeve) if he gets the ball with 12 seconds or less on the shot clock there is a 90% probability that he will drive the lane, a 10% probability that he will take some other shot, and a 0% probability that he will kick it to an open teammate.
What I would say about the various end-of-game comments which as Logen noted range from wants the ball in his hands to turnovers to freezes is that it's all part of the Dunn package: he is a tough kid who is willing to take the game on his shoulders. The result of that is that he sometimes (too often) tries to do too much in pressure situations and that's what results in the fumbles and turnovers in those spots. I don't think it's remotely fair to say he "freezes," that is not a characteristic of a guy who's looking to make a play to win the game.
Is he a good player to have on your team? Absolutely - in the correct role and correct situations. Unlike most of the others on the roster, he's past the point where you can expect him to add that many tools to his toolkit. But he has useful tools when used properly.
Fair enough?
espken" post=417227 said:
But that really is the rub. Offensively, if he doesn’t have the ball, what role is he serving?
