Jermane Attoil post=464883 said:
SJU85 post=464815 said:
Jermane Attoil post=464813 said:
dee post=464807 said:
Amazing how Kentucky fans want Calipari's scalp after the loss to St Peters. So much different than here at st johns where we only dream of having a coach who could get us to the NCAA or even NIT. Kentucky has a much higher bar
Given the current state of this program, you would be hard pressed to find a D1 Major with a lower bar then St. John’s. I’m just stunned that posters are happy about a coach returning who after high pre season expectations couldn’t even make the NIT? But I guess as long as Cragg and Anderson keep up the hype about wanting to win a National Championship some will fall for it.
You have a one team in a situation where they are a blueblood, normal top Ten Team with Top five recruiting classes and a history of SEC and NCAA (8) championships who have not won the SEC Tourny since 2017 and a National Championship since 2012 with a demanding fan base. Kentucky fans are not just upset over last night but this has been brewing for quite some time. Despite his flashy recruiting classes and NBA players, they feel he hasn't brought home the bacon, championships and they are restless.
Then you have us without any of the above cache who are fighting for relevance in this City, let alone the entire college landscape.
As long as we believe that we are a down trodden program that can’t attract a great coach, can’t recruit well, can’t compete with the Blue Bloods then we will remain that way. I have to believe that the biggest reason the program has been down for so long, not winning an NCAA tourney game in 22 years, is the low expectations held by the school administration, the alumni and most of the fan base. Oh sure, current and past administrations will talk about wanting to win championships and compete at the highest level but have they put their money where their mouth is? Whether you like Anderson or not, was he the best candidate for the job? Would a bit more money have lured a top currently employed, successful coach away from another program? Has the school been unaware or too short sited to see the tremendous financial potential of a successful hoops program? Is it surprising that Villanova endowment is far greater then St. John’s with many less graduates?
I have always had high expectations for the program probably cause I’m old enough to remember the good years which makes me less tolerant or patient than many on this site. If I personally lower the expectations bar, I myself will lose interest. And no, I am not an Anderson hater, but I do hold him to a high standard as I did for prior coaches and will do for future ones as well (if I’m around that long) /media/kunena/emoticons/dizzy.png Simply, I’m tired of watching NCAA tourney games without the Johnnies in it.
While it is good to remember history and learn from it, your bringing up ghosts who are no longer here who ran the program and the school for that matter as a mom and pop establishment. Those days are gone with new regimes place who actually have a clue and a plan.
Throw out more money at an established coach and see who would come. Okay, who are you referring to? And why would they leave their established program? And let’s not forget we haven’t exactly been cheap with the past three head coaches and their staffs. And don’t give me Pitino and you can debate it all you want but he wasn’t getting the job but surely their are others right, just lining up? So who?
We are what we are and one thing has been proven, making the tourny one year doesn’t mean a thing here because it hasn’t been maintained. Was that because we didn’t stay the course with those coaches that were in place that time or something else.
This program has serious problems as we all know. We’ve watched coaches implode (Fran and Jarvis), poor hires who were probably bad hires and in the first place who were kept to long (Roberts) a coach who might have been able to sustain something but lost the drive and knew he was being shown the door (Lavin) and an icon who did not really understand all it took to do the job and left with not much to help (Mullin). And while the last search was poorly done and executed, so was the one done by UCLA and they were in a helluva lot better shape as a program than us. They got it right apparently, here’s hoping the same.
Now we already have a program that looks like it in disarray with the comings on goings of coaches. Anderson getting fired after last season would have added more fuel to the fire and who is coming then? And if he left for Tulsa??? I mean really, Tulsa?
Sometimes you have to temper expectations and goals to something achievable. I don’t think that anyone on this Board only wants to make the NCAA’s once in awhile and be a regular the NIT or is satisfied on our current state. Most don’t repeat themselves over and over. But you seem to want us to turn into a blue blood over night and that isn’t realistic in our current situation. Take the next step. For me is to finish in the top half of the conference, make some noise in both tournaments and do it again. Build something that can be sustained and as you do those goals become bigger. If we are changing coaches now, the same question applies, who and I will ask why.
Last thing about, Roberts because some of the hatred thrown at him bothers me. He was a nice guy but a horrible coach who would kids to listen but not close the deal mostly because they didn’t honk he could win and get them where they wanted to go. I get it bad coach who stayed in the job too long but feel some have made it into more than that and personal.
Sorry for the long winded post and probable typos.
