Coach Kim Leaves for Michigan

Coach Kim did what is best for her & her family I can respect that.Good Luck

But The St.J's athletic Dept again See {Coach Mcquire & Lachick} let a Great Coach in their prime leave over salary
This woman took the bottom feeder Johnny womens program & made then into ncaa contenders over 10yrs.
The Tan man Moanasch should have given her a Big raise after this seasons run :yell:
Dont be surprised she win a NCAA title at Mich :blink:

 
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Another very accurate post.
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Coach Lapchick was forced to retire at age 65. That wasn't the fault of the Athletic Dept., that was University Policy. We can agree that it wasn't the smartest policy in the world, but I don't think the Athletic Dept. deserves the rap.

Coach McGuire was paid well, for the time, at St. John's. In fact, the 2012 book ACC Basketball (which is about the first 2 decades of the ACC) specifically cited that Frank was the highest paid basketball coach in the country when he was at St. John's. Granted, I was shocked when I read that. I'm traveling at the moment but I think the figure was somewhere in the neighborhood of $4,500 in 1949. When I get back home I can look it up. You can believe it or not.

He left for UNC because he thought it would be better for his son.

From afar, her decision appears to be driven by more than just money. Just a guess on my part. Then again, if she was offered a Vivian Stringer like contract who knows what would have happened.
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Coach Lapchick left St.J's for the Knicks job & it was all about $$ in salary bec. he loved college game with the nba
a new league. He later returned to St.j's & was forced to retire at 65 by the Vincentian geniuses with Lew Alcindor ready to committ to REDMEN :blink:
HoF mistake 1 letting Lap leave
Hof mistake 2 retiring Lap & losing Lew & a dynasty!
HoF mistake 3 Coach Frank Mcguire was underpaid bec. he coached BOTH Basketball & Baseball at stj's
He wanted a raise in medical insurance coverage for his sick kid. Stj's said NO & he bolted justly  to carl.
 
 Does anyone here think Michigan isn't a lot better job than STJ?
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With all due respect, no I don't think it's better. I'm no women's college BB expert, but they don't appear to have much history and Coach Kim was building quite a program here. I'm not on this board everyday reading your thoughts and those of our fellow Johnnies fans because I believe programs like Michigan are better :silly:

Having said that, Coach Kim thinks it's a better opportunity, so I wish her well. She is a class act and represented our University very well.
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I'm no expert either but did STJ women's ball have much history before this recent run?
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Women's college BB did not become relevant until 1997. That is the year the WNBA began signing college girls with the potential for professional careers. Recruiting became the central focus of women's teams and those that got the top high school talent became dominant. Geno Auriemma earned a 10th of his $1.6 million salary back then. SJ always treated women sports as a necessary evil until they finally hired KBA. Now there is TV money and exposure that attracts a wider pool of students. To be competitive, a Big East school needs to pay a coach a minimum of $250K. Four Big East schools (Lville, Uconn, ND and Rutgers) pay their women's coaches over $500K.
SJ needs to keep the momentum going in signing top high school girls or it will be the Joe Mullaney days again.
 
Coach Kim did what is best for her & her family I can respect that.Good Luck

But The St.J's athletic Dept again See {Coach Mcquire & Lachick} let a Great Coach in their prime leave over salary
This woman took the bottom feeder Johnny womens program & made then into ncaa contenders over 10yrs.
The Tan man Moanasch should have given her a Big raise after this seasons run :yell:
Dont be surprised she win a NCAA title at Mich :blink:

 
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Another very accurate post.
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Coach Lapchick was forced to retire at age 65. That wasn't the fault of the Athletic Dept., that was University Policy. We can agree that it wasn't the smartest policy in the world, but I don't think the Athletic Dept. deserves the rap.

Coach McGuire was paid well, for the time, at St. John's. In fact, the 2012 book ACC Basketball (which is about the first 2 decades of the ACC) specifically cited that Frank was the highest paid basketball coach in the country when he was at St. John's. Granted, I was shocked when I read that. I'm traveling at the moment but I think the figure was somewhere in the neighborhood of $4,500 in 1949. When I get back home I can look it up. You can believe it or not.

He left for UNC because he thought it would be better for his son.

From afar, her decision appears to be driven by more than just money. Just a guess on my part. Then again, if she was offered a Vivian Stringer like contract who knows what would have happened.
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Coach Lapchick left St.J's for the Knicks job & it was all about $$ in salary bec. he loved college game with the nba
a new league. He later returned to St.j's & was forced to retire at 65 by the Vincentian geniuses with Lew Alcindor ready to committ to REDMEN :blink:
HoF mistake 1 letting Lap leave
Hof mistake 2 retiring Lap & losing Lew & a dynasty!
HoF mistake 3 Coach Frank Mcguire was underpaid bec. he coached BOTH Basketball & Baseball at stj's
He wanted a raise in medical insurance coverage for his sick kid. Stj's said NO & he bolted justly  to carl.
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Lapchick also coached baseball at St. John's. McGuire is the only person in the history of the NCAA to take both a basketball and baseball team at the same school to a national championship game.
 
 Does anyone here think Michigan isn't a lot better job than STJ?
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With all due respect, no I don't think it's better. I'm no women's college BB expert, but they don't appear to have much history and Coach Kim was building quite a program here. I'm not on this board everyday reading your thoughts and those of our fellow Johnnies fans because I believe programs like Michigan are better :silly:

Having said that, Coach Kim thinks it's a better opportunity, so I wish her well. She is a class act and represented our University very well.
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I'm no expert either but did STJ women's ball have much history before this recent run?
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Women's college BB did not become relevant until 1997. That is the year the WNBA began signing college girls with the potential for professional careers. Recruiting became the central focus of women's teams and those that got the top high school talent became dominant. Geno Auriemma earned a 10th of his $1.6 million salary back then. SJ always treated women sports as a necessary evil until they finally hired KBA. Now there is TV money and exposure that attracts a wider pool of students. To be competitive, a Big East school needs to pay a coach a minimum of $250K. Four Big East schools (Lville, Uconn, ND and Rutgers) pay their women's coaches over $500K.
SJ needs to keep the momentum going in signing top high school girls or it will be the Joe Mullaney days again.
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Any idea as to what KBA was earning at St. John's ?
 
 I'll throw a couple of things out there.

From a non-basketball standpoint, Michigan is going to trump SJU in just about every area. The Big East is better and St. John's is positioned to be higher on the pecking level in a such a league with top recruits locally.

The job KBA has done almost guarantees they will be able to get a very good coach. The program has gotten to the point where you can argue it is easily top five in what is viewed as the top conference in the country. I'm not bashing KBA's prior experience, but when she took over the program, it was a disaster.

Here's the nutshell of STJ women's history -- Program starts in 1974. From then until 1988, 8 20-win seasons, a couple of Big East championships.

From 1988-2004 is mostly garbage, just two winning seasons. 12!!! seasons of at least 17 losses. 7 single-digit win seasons. There was an epic stretch from 95-98 that went 6-21, 5-22, 6-21 that is rivaled by 2000-03, which is 8-20, 3-24, 8-19.

KBA took over after that 3-24 season. How many people do you think wanted to lead that mess? Three years later she won 20 games. A decade removed from three wins, SJU was in the Sweet 16. 
 
how about Brian Giorgis from Marist to replace her. a Proven winner. 
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He is an absolute proven winner but there has to be a reason no one has taken him away from Marist, a one bid school in a horrible conference for women's bball.
 
 Does anyone here think Michigan isn't a lot better job than STJ?
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With all due respect, no I don't think it's better. I'm no women's college BB expert, but they don't appear to have much history and Coach Kim was building quite a program here. I'm not on this board everyday reading your thoughts and those of our fellow Johnnies fans because I believe programs like Michigan are better :silly:

Having said that, Coach Kim thinks it's a better opportunity, so I wish her well. She is a class act and represented our University very well.
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I'm no expert either but did STJ women's ball have much history before this recent run?
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Women's college BB did not become relevant until 1997. That is the year the WNBA began signing college girls with the potential for professional careers. Recruiting became the central focus of women's teams and those that got the top high school talent became dominant. Geno Auriemma earned a 10th of his $1.6 million salary back then. SJ always treated women sports as a necessary evil until they finally hired KBA. Now there is TV money and exposure that attracts a wider pool of students. To be competitive, a Big East school needs to pay a coach a minimum of $250K. Four Big East schools (Lville, Uconn, ND and Rutgers) pay their women's coaches over $500K.
SJ needs to keep the momentum going in signing top high school girls or it will be the Joe Mullaney days again.
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Bingo, so the question is why was Coach Kim not upped to a minimum of $250,000.00 the day after the ladies lost to Puke in the sweet sixteen?
No public announcement of her being given a raise and locked up for a few more years was an invitation for other schools to come calling.
Big mistake on the part of SJU.
 
 I'll throw a couple of things out there.

From a non-basketball standpoint, Michigan is going to trump SJU in just about every area. The Big East is better and St. John's is positioned to be higher on the pecking level in a such a league with top recruits locally.

The job KBA has done almost guarantees they will be able to get a very good coach. The program has gotten to the point where you can argue it is easily top five in what is viewed as the top conference in the country. I'm not bashing KBA's prior experience, but when she took over the program, it was a disaster.

Here's the nutshell of STJ women's history -- Program starts in 1974. From then until 1988, 8 20-win seasons, a couple of Big East championships.

From 1988-2004 is mostly garbage, just two winning seasons. 12!!! seasons of at least 17 losses. 7 single-digit win seasons. There was an epic stretch from 95-98 that went 6-21, 5-22, 6-21 that is rivaled by 2000-03, which is 8-20, 3-24, 8-19.

KBA took over after that 3-24 season. How many people do you think wanted to lead that mess? Three years later she won 20 games. A decade removed from three wins, SJU was in the Sweet 16. 
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Della everything you say is correct save and except that I have no confidence that SJU will be able to replace Coach Kim with a very good coach. If we could not do the right thing in keeping her where she wanted to be what makes you think we can find a competent replacement?
 
I watched Giorgis coach in high school at Our Lady Of Lourdes and I've watched him at Marist. He would be the absolute perfect fit for St. John's. I believe he loves the Poughkeepsie area, so I am not sure we could convince him to come to St. John's. Can anyone think of any other viable candidates? 
 
I watched Giorgis coach in high school at Our Lady Of Lourdes and I've watched him at Marist. He would be the absolute perfect fit for St. John's. I believe he loves the Poughkeepsie area, so I am not sure we could convince him to come to St. John's. Can anyone think of any other viable candidates? 
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First things first.
Time for a new AD.
 
I watched Giorgis coach in high school at Our Lady Of Lourdes and I've watched him at Marist. He would be the absolute perfect fit for St. John's. I believe he loves the Poughkeepsie area, so I am not sure we could convince him to come to St. John's. Can anyone think of any other viable candidates? 
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First things first.
Time for a new AD.
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I AGREE!
 
A few observations:

1. Great job KBA, you served SJU well, as a terrific bb coach and ambassador for the university! Good luck in your new endeavor. 

2. If we lost her because Michigan is a great University and her kids might get to go there, or because it has a beautiful campus and a nice quality of life so be it. SJU is not in the same universe with UM when it comes to academics.

3. If it was over money, that is not good. We should have paid her a ton to keep her; and if she really was the 4th choice there, then you must figure we could have swooped in with a big money offer if that was the case.

4. I commuted to SJU from northern NJ during my last two yrs at the L.S. (i was pissed at my parents for leaving Bklyn), the commute does suck since it involves the GWB, Cross Bronx, etc., and NYC horrible traffic, but I thought Kim lived in N. NJ for her husband’s coaching teaching jobs out here. Certainly Manhasset or Garden City would have been a nicer commute. The town she is in in N.NJ is quintessential suburbia, lots of trees, parks, sports programs for the kids, small downtown, nice people, the quality of life is good, and since Ann Arbor is quite nice with a real “University” feel, you’re comparing apples and oranges there.

5. Big Ten women’s BB not the greatest, and being in the same conference with Uconn and Geno, ND and McGraw, Rutgers and Stringer, etc. it is much more prestigious, I wonder if all the upheaval in the BE Conference, had anything to do with it. Who knows if Rutgers, Uconn and ND will even be in the BE a few years from now. Remember the driver of the bus is Big Time College Football and Michigan has that in spades. I saw the Big House and Crisler Arena, it is an impressive place. Alumni support is overwhelming there, if she creates a winner there, she’ll be treated like a queen.

6. Frank McGuire’s son had an illness where he needed the warmer climate of Carolina over NYC. (I think that was the overwhelming motivation there?).

7. I know Ann Donovan just started at SH, and one doesn’t raid a conference school for a coach, but that is too bad, I think she is top notch. Coach Lovelace sounds very interesting.

8. I really wonder why a coach who turns around a prestigious School’s Women’s BB program, gets them into the Big Dance, would leave to go back to Wisc.-Green Bay, which 15 years ago nobody ever even heard of? It’s not like he left for the Univsersity of Wisconsin. Why would 3 other coaches turn them down? Um....
 
 It's always something at SJU. Any time we have a little success something happens to ruin it. Lavin's illness was bad luck but losing Kim puts us back in the laughingstock category. Even when we invest some bucks on the men's side we don't get our money's worth. I surrender. Nothing's ever going to change even if Monasch were thrown out as he should be. Time to look for a Hofstra website.
 
I watched Giorgis coach in high school at Our Lady Of Lourdes and I've watched him at Marist. He would be the absolute perfect fit for St. John's. I believe he loves the Poughkeepsie area, so I am not sure we could convince him to come to St. John's. Can anyone think of any other viable candidates? 
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Don't know the name but the Bonnies made a nice run in the NCAAs this year. 
 
 Happy for Coach Kim. She had to do what was best for her and her family.

Sad for us, as a university community, especially all the women who played for her and whom she recruited. :(
 
 I'll throw a couple of things out there.

From a non-basketball standpoint, Michigan is going to trump SJU in just about every area. The Big East is better and St. John's is positioned to be higher on the pecking level in a such a league with top recruits locally.

The job KBA has done almost guarantees they will be able to get a very good coach. The program has gotten to the point where you can argue it is easily top five in what is viewed as the top conference in the country. I'm not bashing KBA's prior experience, but when she took over the program, it was a disaster.

Here's the nutshell of STJ women's history -- Program starts in 1974. From then until 1988, 8 20-win seasons, a couple of Big East championships.

From 1988-2004 is mostly garbage, just two winning seasons. 12!!! seasons of at least 17 losses. 7 single-digit win seasons. There was an epic stretch from 95-98 that went 6-21, 5-22, 6-21 that is rivaled by 2000-03, which is 8-20, 3-24, 8-19.

KBA took over after that 3-24 season. How many people do you think wanted to lead that mess? Three years later she won 20 games. A decade removed from three wins, SJU was in the Sweet 16. 
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Della everything you say is correct save and except that I have no confidence that SJU will be able to replace Coach Kim with a very good coach. If we could not do the right thing in keeping her where she wanted to be what makes you think we can find a competent replacement?
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I'm not saying they will make the right hire, I'm just pointing out that the job has become very attractive now that the team is a perennial NCAA participant, as opposed to when KBA took over and there were very few established people that would leave for SJU. Now the interest level is going to be there.
 
Good luck Coach Kim. Even though I have not been a big follower of women's basketball I can say this is disappointing. She put the team back on the map and I did follow the ladies team by watching a couple of the NCAA tournament games. they made us proud to be from St John's. 
 
Its time to reward Dave Mazur make him AD & give him a big raise with a extension as hc of soccer.
Im sure he can do a better job than monasch :blink: :blink:  
 
 I'll throw a couple of things out there.

From a non-basketball standpoint, Michigan is going to trump SJU in just about every area. The Big East is better and St. John's is positioned to be higher on the pecking level in a such a league with top recruits locally.

The job KBA has done almost guarantees they will be able to get a very good coach. The program has gotten to the point where you can argue it is easily top five in what is viewed as the top conference in the country. I'm not bashing KBA's prior experience, but when she took over the program, it was a disaster.

Here's the nutshell of STJ women's history -- Program starts in 1974. From then until 1988, 8 20-win seasons, a couple of Big East championships.

From 1988-2004 is mostly garbage, just two winning seasons. 12!!! seasons of at least 17 losses. 7 single-digit win seasons. There was an epic stretch from 95-98 that went 6-21, 5-22, 6-21 that is rivaled by 2000-03, which is 8-20, 3-24, 8-19.

KBA took over after that 3-24 season. How many people do you think wanted to lead that mess? Three years later she won 20 games. A decade removed from three wins, SJU was in the Sweet 16. 
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Della everything you say is correct save and except that I have no confidence that SJU will be able to replace Coach Kim with a very good coach. If we could not do the right thing in keeping her where she wanted to be what makes you think we can find a competent replacement?
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I'm not saying they will make the right hire, I'm just pointing out that the job has become very attractive now that the team is a perennial NCAA participant, as opposed to when KBA took over and there were very few established people that would leave for SJU. Now the interest level is going to be there.
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No money = No interest
The only color that matters to coaches is GREEN 
 
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