(Charleston Classic) Dayton, Fri., Nov. 17, 2p, ESPN2

I watched the first have and several minutes of the second and this was a great game. Remember Dayton is not St . Peter's or any other cupcake team we played before big east conference begins. We should of won this game yes. But it's now 4 games in and losing to Michigan and Dayton is not as bad on paper. Two great teams. Again this will inly
Build us up when the season gets going . Last year we didn't belong on the same court as a Dayton or Michigan.
as far as Jenkins goes I prefer sim . Seeing him play more this game the team seemed to be flowing better . Let's see it as it is he built this team in a day. It's year one game 4. Not season 3 with the players he invested time in recruiting. He was playing darts landing on the best players that he could get remember that.
Oh no coach lost 2 games oh heaven is falling. Let's just watch last years in the huddle with Mike Anderson to make us feel better or view a picture of Mullin sitting on scorers table
Dayton is not a great team.
 
Where was Dingle in the second half? 12 points at the half and finished with 14? Not enough scoring on the team at the present time. The big on Dayton killed us in the second half…. But bottom line…… giving up 50 second half points stinks.
 
Then why not keep Posh and Storr? That’s what I don’t get.

I thought he was bringing in his type of guys. Jenkins can’t even defend his position. Coach had to put Alleyne and Wilcher on their PG. That’s embarrassing.

These aren’t “PHDs.”
If what Posh did was true, you can’t have a program about accountability and let a guy skip a workout like that. Simple as that. Seems like Storr was never interested
 
Where was Dingle in the second half? 12 points at the half and finished with 14? Not enough scoring on the team at the present time. The big on Dayton killed us in the second half…. But bottom line…… giving up 50 second half points stinks.
Especially in the midst of a Dayton run.

Im hopeful he isn’t in 100% game shape
 
Thought we’d win right away & easily make NCAAT. Sadly just think it’s a rebuild yr. Yes we will play better later in season, but can’t really afford another few losses in OOC regardless of how good teams are. Thought this was yr we’d compete with anyone.
 
Then why not keep Posh and Storr? That’s what I don’t get.

I thought he was bringing in his type of guys. Jenkins can’t even defend his position. Coach had to put Alleyne and Wilcher on their PG. That’s embarrassing.

These aren’t “PHDs.”
Because Posh did things that you have no clue about that should not have been tolerated in any capacity.
He was suspended and benched a few times by Anderson the last few years and probably would have been more if the roster was not so flawed and the coach had to cave into some behavior (not just him) that should not be tolerated to try an field anything close to even a bottom feeder Big East Team.

Not everything was as rosy as it appeared on the surface and I will leave it at that.

I liked Posh but not a fan of what I heard was taking place under the surface.
 
Thought we’d win right away & easily make NCAAT. Sadly just think it’s a rebuild yr. Yes we will play better later in season, but can’t really afford another few losses in OOC regardless of how good teams are. Thought this was yr we’d compete with anyone.
And we CAN compete with anyone (as long as you were in a coma on November 6th, 2023)
 
I’m concerned some folks here might have Alzheimer’s disease. The great defensive team last year set some actual negative records at CA, such as most points allowed ina game and half.

Last years teams was a disaster and embarrassmen, a total reset was in order. I don’t miss anyone.
 
Because Posh did things that you have no clue about that should not have been tolerated in any capacity.
He was suspended a few times by Anderson the last few years and probably would have been more if the roster was not so flawed and the coach had to cave into some behavior (not just him) that should not be tolerated to try an field anything close to even a bottom feeder Big East Team.

Not everything was as rosy as it appeared on the surface and I will leave it at that.

I liked Posh but not a fan of what I heard was taking place under the surface.
Haven't we done this dance before though. People say he got suspended "several times" but was he ever a healthy scratch in a game? I think once he didn't START due to breaking team rules (not good, but forgivable), but was he ever actually suspended? I am actually asking because I just do not recall
 
These players were recruited to run Pitino’s system. I’m not sure the can. Does he change his system to fit the players he has, or will he be stubborn and hold the line?
 
I am very excited by what we've seen from Wilcher and Zuby, especially considering what we saw in games 1 & 2. You can also see they are a step above the rest in terms of their fitness and athleticism.
Agreed. Through 40 minutes of play, Zuby has 22 points, 16 rebounds, 3 blocks and 3 steals on 53.8% from the field and 80% from the line. I've been impressed by him and could see why Pitino wanted him so badly.
 
And Utah is a very solid team that starts two guys 7 foot plus. Will not be an easy game for us at all Sunday.
It’s a loss. We needed to go 8-3 in the OOC to have a reasonable chance at the tournament. We won’t make it to Thanksgiving without 3 losses. WV on the road is a loss now probably. 6-5 is in play.

We didn’t have the luxury of letting players find their roles this year. The season will be over before they do. The roles should have been assigned.
 
I’m concerned some folks here might have Alzheimer’s disease. The great defensive team last year set some actual negative records at CA, such as most points allowed ina game and half.

Last years teams was a disaster and embarrassmen, a total reset was in order. I don’t miss anyone.
Well said
 
This team is very much a work in progress. I don’t know why I’m surprised, Pitino has been trying to tell us every interview. “Bad at defense” “low motor” “not instinctual yet.” For my own mental health I now accept that this season is probably going to be a grind and the way to enjoy the season is to enjoy growth.

This team is not some magical out of the gate winner. They’re a collection of mid major players from the portal who certainly have some talent but don’t have the consistency or depth yet to be a major threat to the top of the conference. Enjoy the coach, watch the development and hope they can stack enough wins together that February and March are at least interesting for us.
 
My prediction is this "Bridge is Falling" thread is going to provide some look back laughs in a month.

I'm really surprised by how many thought with 12 new additions and missing their 2nd and maybe most talented player (who dropped 21 and 9 against this same Dayton team last year) this was going to a well oiled cohesive unit on November 17th.

You play these tough games early on because playing teams like St. Peters and Wagner don't make you better.
Bravo, my good man!!!!
 
Although it's a little early for Analytics let's look at Pomeroy for prospective. St. John's is 78 after I believe starting the season around 60. Adoraz can you help me out here?


295. Stonybrook - won by 16 at home - about right
25. Michigan - lost by 16 at home. A little worse then you would expect.
90. North Texas - neutral - won by 1 about right
59. Dayton - neutral lost by 7. A little worse then you would expect.
32. Utah this ranking will change depending on the score against Houston. Assuming it stays close I would expect to lose by about 10 on a neutral court. If we do better that would be a positive.

At this point we look like a bubble NIT team under the new rules.

I know doubt believe we can improve but I feel like we need to be competitive against Utah and win in West Virginia which won't be easy. We must win all of the other Non Conference games. We then can't finish worse then 6th in the Big East to have any shot at the NCAA.

My point if there is one is play hard tomorrow get RJ back and hope Rick can get them better. If not we will be playing the BET like it's a one bid league.
 
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