...Can we make the Tournament?
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redfan25976l
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Big ten sucks and thats that....st johns should be in already....depaul could beat any team in the big ten....
boo haarvey
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johnny redman" post=424148 said:
I hope Johnny redmen is a member of the NCAA selection committee.
LOL!Enright" post=424169 said:
Despite wining 10 games in the BE regular season , which along with a 4 th place finish , would usually result in a fairly comfortable bid to the NCAA. , we aren't in close contention . Barring a full win in the tourney . True , bad losses to. Butler and even worse to DePaul likely cooked our chances . Playing Local MAAC opponents plus a poor BC team in the OOC schedule didnt help either . But , I still can't figure how a 10-9 record doesn't generate more impact .
MakingPlays
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One of the biggest things that hurt the Big East this year, is there were several teams that didn't play a lot of non-conference games and only 2 teams out of 11 played all 20 of their conference games. Villanova and UConn are two of the top teams in the league and Villanova only played 15 conference games and UConn only played 17 conference games, so that's 8 key games to help boost the leagues NET gone right there. UConn refusing to give St.John's it's return home game was huge, you add that win to our resume right now, and we're in a much better situation.SLYFOXX1968" post=424187 said:
In comparison look at the Big 10... 8 of their top 9 teams played all 20 of their conference games. If they had games postponed it was strongly encouraged by the league to make them up, and the teams worked with each other to make it happen. The Big East on the otherhand allowed UConn to do a pause that wasn't required by anybody while they waited for Bouknight to get healthy, then they picked and choose which games they wanted to make-up. It was good for UConn worked out for them, but it hurt the league overall and really hurt a bubble team like St. John's who needed more quality games.
L J S A" post=424249 said:
I’ve somehow managed not get my hopes up at any point this season. But goddamnit you’re right!
Well it looks at a minimum we clinched an NIT spot, which the majority of this site wanted/expected pre-season. I'm very happy about that.
Here's the thing about that, though. Let's assume Lunardi is correct and as of today we're the 8th team out and therefore the 8th team in the 16 team NIT field. I think everyone here can agree that even if we lose to Seton Hall we'd remain in the field. Maybe drop 3 spots and enter as a 3 seed. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of people on social media expecting that 2 wins (and 1 loss) would be enough to get us into the field. I doubt that'd be the case, especially because MSG BET games I believe count as semi-home games for us. Maybe that'd be different this year since we haven't played home games at MSG? I don't know.
We'd likely be in a few bracketology brackets if we win 2 BET games. As of today we're in 0, besides 1 on Bracket Matrix which hasn't been updated since last month. That said, we don't know for certain how the committee will decide, especially in a year like this one. Bracketologists rarely select all of the correct teams in the field. If we win 1 or especially 2 BET games then it'd at least be worth tuning into Selection Sunday, but I'd still go in with the mindset that we'd most likely be one of the First 4/8 Out.
It's certainly nice to be talking about this given where we were a month ago, just think it's worth keeping expectations in check. Last month I thought there was no chance we'd even reach .500 overall, so I'll absolutely take where we're at right now regardless of what happens.
Here's the thing about that, though. Let's assume Lunardi is correct and as of today we're the 8th team out and therefore the 8th team in the 16 team NIT field. I think everyone here can agree that even if we lose to Seton Hall we'd remain in the field. Maybe drop 3 spots and enter as a 3 seed. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of people on social media expecting that 2 wins (and 1 loss) would be enough to get us into the field. I doubt that'd be the case, especially because MSG BET games I believe count as semi-home games for us. Maybe that'd be different this year since we haven't played home games at MSG? I don't know.
We'd likely be in a few bracketology brackets if we win 2 BET games. As of today we're in 0, besides 1 on Bracket Matrix which hasn't been updated since last month. That said, we don't know for certain how the committee will decide, especially in a year like this one. Bracketologists rarely select all of the correct teams in the field. If we win 1 or especially 2 BET games then it'd at least be worth tuning into Selection Sunday, but I'd still go in with the mindset that we'd most likely be one of the First 4/8 Out.
It's certainly nice to be talking about this given where we were a month ago, just think it's worth keeping expectations in check. Last month I thought there was no chance we'd even reach .500 overall, so I'll absolutely take where we're at right now regardless of what happens.
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If we beat Seton Hall and they only take three BE teams that would stink but could be logical. I'm in no postion to judge the entire country. But if we beat Seton Hall and they take either Seton Hall or Xavier and not SJU that's nuts. We came in ahead of both in the league and will have beaten Seton Hall two out of three. Xavier didn't even play Villanova, who we beat. They came in seventh anyway even with the easier schedule.
We were projected as in or close and then went 2-2 versus, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, and DePaul. It appears that somehow the rationale is that if we went 2-2 by beating Villanova and Depaul we would be clearly in. Maybe my math is not what it used to be but that's still 2-2 and it's still the same four games. If that's true thats a crazy and broken system.
We were projected as in or close and then went 2-2 versus, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, and DePaul. It appears that somehow the rationale is that if we went 2-2 by beating Villanova and Depaul we would be clearly in. Maybe my math is not what it used to be but that's still 2-2 and it's still the same four games. If that's true thats a crazy and broken system.
From cbssports.com, re bubble teams -
St. John's – The Johnnies are a longshot. They have a couple of big wins against [URL]https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/teams/NOVA/villanova-wildcats/[/URL]]Villanova[/url] and at Creighton, but lost at home to [URL]https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/teams/MARQET/marquette-golden-eagles/[/URL]]Marquette[/url] and [URL]https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/teams/DEPAUL/depaul-blue-demons/[/URL]]DePaul[/url]. If they don't get in, that will be why.
St. John's – The Johnnies are a longshot. They have a couple of big wins against [URL]https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/teams/NOVA/villanova-wildcats/[/URL]]Villanova[/url] and at Creighton, but lost at home to [URL]https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/teams/MARQET/marquette-golden-eagles/[/URL]]Marquette[/url] and [URL]https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/teams/DEPAUL/depaul-blue-demons/[/URL]]DePaul[/url]. If they don't get in, that will be why.
Not sure if this has already been posted but back on ESPN's bubble watch.
[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2599/st-johns-red-storm[/URL]]St. John's Red Storm [/url]You just can't keep St. John's out of Bubble Watch. Six straight wins landed the Red Storm here in early February. Then three losses in four games earned them a brief period of invisibility around these parts. Now, Mike Anderson's men are back, thanks to victories at home over Providence and fellow bubble aspirant Seton Hall. Wins on the road at UConn and at home over Villanova give this profile enough heft to get St. John's in the conversation. Yet there's work to be done at the Big East tournament.