If we beat Seton Hall I think we're a 10 at worst.
Bubble Watch
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If we beat Seton Hall I think we're a 10 at worst.
better question who is Joe Lunardi and why do I care. St. John's wont be out if we lose we are at 19-13 11 big east wins. Plus the Pitino effect, NCAA wants him in the tourny, eyes on the prize.
Lunardi is ESPN's bracketologist. He's not exactly a nobody. But when you look at his rankings as a bracketologist, his #s are pretty average: http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
We're far from a sure thing. We also don't deserve to be a sure thing. We blew way too many good wins, and Villanova/Utah have sucked down the stretch. It is what it is.
We're far from a sure thing. We also don't deserve to be a sure thing. We blew way too many good wins, and Villanova/Utah have sucked down the stretch. It is what it is.
This years bubble watch is similar to that of 1979. SJU was 18 and 10 going into what was called an ECAC four team tournament the winner getting a bid. SJU won their first game but lost the final and most observers felt they were out.
There was no media coverage like today on selection Sunday but SJU got what was published as the last bid. Luckily the field was increased from 32 to 40 that year and SJU played in an eight game round one. No mention of play in.
They beat Temple and then in the round two on a Sunday day in infamy in Raleigh, NC beat Duke by two with Penn beating NC in the other game. SJU then beat Rutgers but lost to Penn by two missing out getting to the final four.
If SJU wins Thur that will pretty much assure a bid but if they lose perhaps 1979 can be revisited.
There was no media coverage like today on selection Sunday but SJU got what was published as the last bid. Luckily the field was increased from 32 to 40 that year and SJU played in an eight game round one. No mention of play in.
They beat Temple and then in the round two on a Sunday day in infamy in Raleigh, NC beat Duke by two with Penn beating NC in the other game. SJU then beat Rutgers but lost to Penn by two missing out getting to the final four.
If SJU wins Thur that will pretty much assure a bid but if they lose perhaps 1979 can be revisited.
Some may recall we were also the last bid in 2019
Relax you are not storming the beaches of Normandy here!
The suspense for Thursday is too much for me
Yes I apologize for being nervous for a St. John’s game, I will try to go to war before I allow myself to feel that way again
If we dont win? Then I think we are out completely.
From ESPN's Joe Lunardi. Great primer for what to watch out for.
WIN AND IN:
•TCU vs. Oklahoma (both), Big 12 opening round, Wednesday, 3 p.m.
•Mississippi St. (vs. LSU), SEC, Thursday, 1 p.m.
•Virginia (vs. Clemson/Boston College/Miami), ACC, Thursday, 9:30 p.m.
OUT WITHOUT THIS WIN:
•Wake Forest (vs. Notre Dame/Georgia Tech), ACC, Wednesday, 2:30 p.m.
•New Mexico (vs. Air Force), Mountain West, Wednesday, 7:00 p.m.
•Villanova (vs. DePaul), Big East, Wednesday, 9 p.m.
•Utah (vs. Arizona St.), Pac-12, Wednesday, 11:30 p.m.
•St. John's (vs. Seton Hall), Big East, Thursday, 2:30 p.m.
•Pittsburgh (vs. Wake Forest/Georgia Tech), ACC, Thursday, 2:30 p.m.
•Memphis (vs. Rice/Wichita St.), AAC, Thursday, 2:30 p.m.
•Texas A&M (vs. Ole Miss), SEC, Thursday, 7 p.m.
•Iowa (vs. Ohio State), Big Ten, Thursday, 6:30 p.m.
•Colorado (vs. Utah/Arizona St.), Pac-12, Thursday, 11:30 p.m.
•South Florida (vs. East Carolina/Tulsa), AAC, Friday, 3 p.m.
WIN HERE, THEN WIN AGAIN:
•Virginia Tech (vs. Florida St.), ACC, Wednesday, noon
•Providence (vs. Georgetown), Big East, Wednesday, 6:30 p.m.
•Syracuse (vs. N.C. State/Louisville), ACC, Wednesday, 7 p.m.
•Kansas State (vs. Texas), Big 12, Wednesday, 7 p.m.
•Ohio State (vs. Iowa), Big Ten, Thursday, 6:30 p.m.
•Oregon (vs. UCLA/Oregon St.), Pac-12, Thursday, 5:30 p.m.
•UNLV (vs. San Diego St.), Mountain West, Thursday, 5:30 p.m.
WIN AND IN:
•TCU vs. Oklahoma (both), Big 12 opening round, Wednesday, 3 p.m.
•Mississippi St. (vs. LSU), SEC, Thursday, 1 p.m.
•Virginia (vs. Clemson/Boston College/Miami), ACC, Thursday, 9:30 p.m.
OUT WITHOUT THIS WIN:
•Wake Forest (vs. Notre Dame/Georgia Tech), ACC, Wednesday, 2:30 p.m.
•New Mexico (vs. Air Force), Mountain West, Wednesday, 7:00 p.m.
•Villanova (vs. DePaul), Big East, Wednesday, 9 p.m.
•Utah (vs. Arizona St.), Pac-12, Wednesday, 11:30 p.m.
•St. John's (vs. Seton Hall), Big East, Thursday, 2:30 p.m.
•Pittsburgh (vs. Wake Forest/Georgia Tech), ACC, Thursday, 2:30 p.m.
•Memphis (vs. Rice/Wichita St.), AAC, Thursday, 2:30 p.m.
•Texas A&M (vs. Ole Miss), SEC, Thursday, 7 p.m.
•Iowa (vs. Ohio State), Big Ten, Thursday, 6:30 p.m.
•Colorado (vs. Utah/Arizona St.), Pac-12, Thursday, 11:30 p.m.
•South Florida (vs. East Carolina/Tulsa), AAC, Friday, 3 p.m.
WIN HERE, THEN WIN AGAIN:
•Virginia Tech (vs. Florida St.), ACC, Wednesday, noon
•Providence (vs. Georgetown), Big East, Wednesday, 6:30 p.m.
•Syracuse (vs. N.C. State/Louisville), ACC, Wednesday, 7 p.m.
•Kansas State (vs. Texas), Big 12, Wednesday, 7 p.m.
•Ohio State (vs. Iowa), Big Ten, Thursday, 6:30 p.m.
•Oregon (vs. UCLA/Oregon St.), Pac-12, Thursday, 5:30 p.m.
•UNLV (vs. San Diego St.), Mountain West, Thursday, 5:30 p.m.
Redenbacher
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typo I meant if we win do people think we are not going to Dayton
Redenbacher
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Yeah, I deleted my comment as I am not sure I read it correctly. What confuses me is that he's saying Providence has to win two games in the Big East tournament, while he is implying that Nova only has to win once against DePaul.
Nova's NET and metrics are better. I think Prov is in a tier below us, and do need to win two games.
Also, that whole second category is super unclear and doesn't really say much. I just like it because I know who to root against.
What is the difference between “win and in” and “out without this win”?
Are they saying SJU must beat Seton Hall and the next game too? What am I misunderstanding?
Redenbacher
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Right. But if they beat DePaul and we lose to Seton Hall, I can't see them getting in over us?
I'd agree but I don't think it's an indefensible decision. They've beaten four tournament teams. We've beaten one (unless they're in)
Got ya. If we win then we should be securely in as a 9/10 seed my guess. Then if we again upwards of a 7-8 seed. Then if we again a 5 seed!!