BRACKETOLOGY, RPI, SOS

Kieran Darcy ‏@KieranDarcy 4h
St. John's, Providence are now third and fourth among First Four Out, according to @ESPNLunardi #sjubb
 
I agree with you. I think a lot of it has to do with ESPN/FS1 coverage, and how more people see other conferences. I also think any ESPN expert is not really allowed to talk favorably about our conference. In the end of the day, Xavier through Gtown in our conference would all be .500 or better teams in every conference except the Big 12. The fact that the A-10 and the PAC12 are considered better and deeper is embarrassing. I personally think we get in if we beat Providence.
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If anyone saw college game day yesterday morning on espn you would have seen a "who did better in realignment" conversation between the Big East or the AAC. They all agreed the AAC is better and Jay Bilas said the Big East is in big trouble in the future. They are so completely biased against the Big East, it's embarrassing. No one bothered to mention the fact that we have more top 150 recruits coming in than any conference except the ACC and they have 50% more schools than we do.

Plus the AAC will lose Louisville next year and other schools may bolt at a chance for a better situation.
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I know it is not a popular position but it is reality; in the long term I think the BE and other nonfootball conferences ARE in big trouble. The BCS conferences are going to continue to manuver and squeeze for all college athletic revene and eventually that will come to manipulating the "NCAA" tournament to become a BCS only type event; maybe not totally but certainly not with the widespread representation we see now. It is not going to happen overnight but that is where all this conference re-alignment is going; it is inevitable. I think in inside circles the Jay Bilas' of the world talk about the NCAA itself being in more trouble than bball only conferences because why should the BCS schools share revene with them? It is all about the money and universities have become nothing but more big business, if they were ever anything but.
 
I don't understand the logic that factors in quality wins over strength of schedule. Why is a team that plays inconsistently, beating good teams and occasionally losing to weaker teams more likely to be in the NCAA tournament, than a team that performs consistently (no upsets)? When selecting teams to participate in the tournament shouldn't the focus be on the team's results and it's strength of schedule. Other minor factors can be added such as performance over the last 10 games and since the tournament is about making money include: media markets, name recognition, attendance etc.
 
I know it is not a popular position but it is reality; in the long term I think the BE and other nonfootball conferences ARE in big trouble. The BCS conferences are going to continue to manuver and squeeze for all college athletic revene and eventually that will come to manipulating the "NCAA" tournament to become a BCS only type event; maybe not totally but certainly not with the widespread representation we see now. It is not going to happen overnight but that is where all this conference re-alignment is going; it is inevitable. I think in inside circles the Jay Bilas' of the world talk about the NCAA itself being in more trouble than bball only conferences because why should the BCS schools share revene with them? It is all about the money and universities have become nothing but more big business, if they were ever anything but.
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Agree, it has long been my believe that there will ultimately be four 16-team football leagues and that those 64 schools will decide that they there is no reason for them to share with the others. I think they will secede from the NCAA (thus shedding all of the NCAA rules and giving them an even larger advantage) and have their own football and basketball tournaments. They may invite some others for window dressing.
 
I don't understand the logic that factors in quality wins over strength of schedule. Why is a team that plays inconsistently, beating good teams and occasionally losing to weaker teams more likely to be in the NCAA tournament, than a team that performs consistently (no upsets)? When selecting teams to participate in the tournament shouldn't the focus be on the team's results and it's strength of schedule. Other minor factors can be added such as performance over the last 10 games and since the tournament is about making money include: media markets, name recognition, attendance etc.
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As Johnny fans we all want them to dance. To me there is no sense looking for reasons someone is screwing us in selection process. Plain and simple we dug ourselves an early hole. Secondly, after rising from ashes, we failed to capitalize on potential NCAA resume builders, like Nova away game & Xavier at home. Throw in early loss to Syracuse & to me we have not capitalized to date. Now we still have an opportunity. Let's stop the complaining and seize the moment.
 
I know it is not a popular position but it is reality; in the long term I think the BE and other nonfootball conferences ARE in big trouble. The BCS conferences are going to continue to manuver and squeeze for all college athletic revene and eventually that will come to manipulating the "NCAA" tournament to become a BCS only type event; maybe not totally but certainly not with the widespread representation we see now. It is not going to happen overnight but that is where all this conference re-alignment is going; it is inevitable. I think in inside circles the Jay Bilas' of the world talk about the NCAA itself being in more trouble than bball only conferences because why should the BCS schools share revene with them? It is all about the money and universities have become nothing but more big business, if they were ever anything but.
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Agree, it has long been my believe that there will ultimately be four 16-team football leagues and that those 64 schools will decide that they there is no reason for them to share with the others. I think they will secede from the NCAA (thus shedding all of the NCAA rules and giving them an even larger advantage) and have their own football and basketball tournaments. They may invite some others for window dressing.
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I also agree. If the national championship will be decided by the BCS, then the NCAA tournament will replace the NIT. Unless there's some outside the box thinking, this is inevitable. Follow the money.
 
I don't understand the logic that factors in quality wins over strength of schedule. Why is a team that plays inconsistently, beating good teams and occasionally losing to weaker teams more likely to be in the NCAA tournament, than a team that performs consistently (no upsets)? When selecting teams to participate in the tournament shouldn't the focus be on the team's results and it's strength of schedule. Other minor factors can be added such as performance over the last 10 games and since the tournament is about making money include: media markets, name recognition, attendance etc.
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As Johnny fans we all want them to dance. To me there is no sense looking for reasons someone is screwing us in selection process. Plain and simple we dug ourselves an early hole. Secondly, after rising from ashes, we failed to capitalize on potential NCAA resume builders, like Nova away game & Xavier at home. Throw in early loss to Syracuse & to me we have not capitalized to date. Now we still have an opportunity. Let's stop the complaining and seize the moment.
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I feel 'ya.
 
I don't understand the logic that factors in quality wins over strength of schedule. Why is a team that plays inconsistently, beating good teams and occasionally losing to weaker teams more likely to be in the NCAA tournament, than a team that performs consistently (no upsets)? When selecting teams to participate in the tournament shouldn't the focus be on the team's results and it's strength of schedule. Other minor factors can be added such as performance over the last 10 games and since the tournament is about making money include: media markets, name recognition, attendance etc.
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As Johnny fans we all want them to dance. To me there is no sense looking for reasons someone is screwing us in selection process. Plain and simple we dug ourselves an early hole. Secondly, after rising from ashes, we failed to capitalize on potential NCAA resume builders, like Nova away game & Xavier at home. Throw in early loss to Syracuse & to me we have not capitalized to date. Now we still have an opportunity. Let's stop the complaining and seize the moment.
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Couldn't agree more. They held all the cards going into the Nova game, and failed to get the job done. They get yet one final chance to prove they are a tourney team - but it will take two wins to secure it. Now is the time to show they deserve a bid - neither opponent that appears to be in front of them is far superior.
 
Kieran Darcy ‏@KieranDarcy 4h
St. John's, Providence are now third and fourth among First Four Out, according to @ESPNLunardi #sjubb
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The winner is in. A win on a neutral court against a top 60 RPI team and then a matchup against the #4 RPI on a neutral court will put either team over the top.
 
Three days ago it felt like we needed 3 BE wins . Now it might be 1. Until the tournaments are over Sunday and you can actually see who the other bubble teams are it is all guesswork.
If Georgetown and Maryland win tournaments for example we are probably out and while it is all educated guesswork prior to Sun it sure is interesting.
 
Kieran Darcy ‏@KieranDarcy 4h
St. John's, Providence are now third and fourth among First Four Out, according to @ESPNLunardi #sjubb
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The winner is in. A win on a neutral court against a top 60 RPI team and then a matchup against the #4 RPI on a neutral court will put either team over the top.
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If Lunardi was on the committee, I`d feel alot better.
I`m still going with two.
 
Can someone explain to me what the RPI actually means? I say that a bit tongue in cheek but my reasons for asking have to do with some of the teams that have "better" RPIs than we do. Our current RPI (according to CBS Sports) is 57. I took a glance at some of the teams that were above us and there were some that just made my jaw drop. Can someone explain to me how the following teams listed below, along with their schedules have a higher RPI than us:

North Dakota State - RPI 38, Schedule includes: Viterbo, Western Michigan, Valley City State, Rider, Bryant, Utah Valley University, Mayville State, IPFW, IUPI, Nebraska-Omaha, South Dakota & Denver. They played Ohio St but lost to them & beat Notre Dame but is that really a good win this year?

Southern Mississippi - RPI 35. Schedule includes Houston Baptist, William Carey, St. Catharine, South Alabama, UTSA, FIU, Florida Atlantic, Jackson State, North Dakota State (yes the same one with a 38 RPI). They played Louisville and got crushed and beat DePaul but is that really a good win this year? It's certainly is a bad loss for us.

Toledo - RPI 36. Schedule includes Northwestern Ohio, Florida A&M, Florida Atlantic, Sam Houston St., Buffalo, Coppin St, Akron, Arkansas State, Stony Brook, Ball St & Bowling Green. They played Kansas but lost to them & beat BC but is that really a good win this year?

I just don't understand how these schools have such better RPIs than we do? Granted we played Monmouth, Wagner, Longwood, Youngstown St & Columbia, but seriously, William Carey, Northwestern Ohio, Viterbo? Is there that much of a difference?
 
Its a crude measure of strength of schedule. It measures just wins and losses. I've heard that there are different weightings for home, road and neutral games but I don't know what they are. 25% is your winning %, 50 % is the winning % of your opponents and the final 25% is the winning % of the opponents of your opponents. So, how many games did you win, who did you play and who do they play. Margin of victory does not matter.

the bad part is: due to the binary nature of the system...beating Stony Brook means more than beating Marquette this year.
 
Thanks Weatherman, I may just have to accept the fact that I will never understand it LOL. Look forward to seeing you at the Big East Tournament, maybe we can improve our RPI with 3 wins.
 
Its a crude measure of strength of schedule. It measures just wins and losses. I've heard that there are different weightings for home, road and neutral games but I don't know what they are. 25% is your winning %, 50 % is the winning % of your opponents and the final 25% is the winning % of the opponents of your opponents. So, how many games did you win, who did you play and who do they play. Margin of victory does not matter.

the bad part is: due to the binary nature of the system...beating Stony Brook means more than beating Marquette this year.
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1.4% for a road win, .6% for a home loss. Multiply that by the opponents RPI. Don't lose at home...win on the road or neutral court. The RPI is usually our biggest frind due to our neutral court wins from variousl tournmaents but we crapped the bed early.
 
Maybe it's just me but I felt that all year everytime we won a game our RPI only moved up 1 but every time we lost we moved down 10.
 
Three days ago it felt like we needed 3 BE wins . Now it might be 1. Until the tournaments are over Sunday and you can actually see who the other bubble teams are it is all guesswork.
If Georgetown and Maryland win tournaments for example we are probably out and while it is all educated guesswork prior to Sun it sure is interesting.
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Has to be 2. A win over Providence won't push us over. Beating Providence AND (likely) Nova seems like a lock to get in. Fun time of the year and we are legitimately relevant!
 
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