BRACKETOLOGY, RPI, SOS

[dee]

I was watching the Louisville v UConn game yesterday and they spoke about where Louisville would be ranked in the ncaa and that they had actually gone down in the ranking after their win the night before because of all this RPI calculations. Then out of the blue both announcers spoke about st johns and how they thought st johns deserved to be in. It sought of shocked me but I was thrilled to hear someone, anyone mention the school's name as a possiblity to be named to the dance. I wish they were on the selection committee lol

 

[gymrat]

I was watching the Louisville v UConn game yesterday and they spoke about where Louisville would be ranked in the ncaa and that they had actually gone down in the ranking after their win the night before because of all this RPI calculations. Then out of the blue both announcers spoke about st johns and how they thought st johns deserved to be in. It sought of shocked me but I was thrilled to hear someone, anyone mention the school's name as a possiblity to be named to the dance. I wish they were on the selection committee lol

Wow. That is nice to hear an unsolicited vote for us.

 

[JackofVirginia]

Awesome clip! Sums us up well.

Dumb and dumber, the story of two St. John's fan.

Isn't that what we used to say about ourselves during the Mahoney era as we went to every single home game and watched the lady knit?

Look at us umpteen years later. Still dumb and dumber. Maybe now we are the dumbest?

Anyone remember the retarded lady who sat in the section across from the opposing team? She traveled on the train from N.Y.C. to Alumni Hall. During the Redmen games she would be listening to the Knick games.

 

[JackofVirginia]

If we do get an invite, I could see us at that classic 5-12 bracket with us being the 12 seed. If this team has the desire, which is questionable, you would not want to play them as a 12 seed. Let's keep our fingers crossed!

Want to talk about desire, well the Friars had it in this tournament. Can anyone remember us ever hustling and rebounding as Providence did last night. I can't.

 

[Section3]

Awesome clip! Sums us up well.

Dumb and dumber, the story of two St. John's fan.

Isn't that what we used to say about ourselves during the Mahoney era as we went to every single home game and watched the lady knit?

Look at us umpteen years later. Still dumb and dumber. Maybe now we are the dumbest?

Yes, I sat in Section 3 which was originally on the bench side...she would try to collect anything that was left behind..sometimes even equipment from the media

 

[tom in salem]

Awesome clip! Sums us up well.

Dumb and dumber, the story of two St. John's fan.

Isn't that what we used to say about ourselves during the Mahoney era as we went to every single home game and watched the lady knit?

Look at us umpteen years later. Still dumb and dumber. Maybe now we are the dumbest?

Anyone remember the retarded lady who sat in the section across from the opposing team? She traveled on the train from N.Y.C. to Alumni Hall. During the Redmen games she would be listening to the Knick games.

WTF???????????????

 

[lawmanfan]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

 

[paultzman]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

And this delights you? Or just validates what you have said so often?

 

[Andrew]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

And this delights you? Or just validates what you have said so often?

NC State coach just said that he had a young team. I think that's ok when you win by fifteen in the NCAA play in game,

 

[Andrew]

Not sure we would have won the play in game with Albany let alone NC State.

 

[lawmanfan]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

And this delights you? Or just validates what you have said so often?

It doesn't delight me at all. Appalled is more like it. I'd like the Big East to be a power conference, and for St John's to be at the top of the heap in that conference.

There was a debate for much of the second half of the season about what the conference is. Some touted the fact that the conference was rated third in the power rankings (ahead of the ACC) and argued that it would get five or six bids. Others said it was basically a two-bid conference, but that three or even four might get in.

The problem is that during the season the conference comparisons are mostly hypothetical, IMHO. There just isn't a large enough sample of interconference play to draw much of a conclusion. Once you get into the postseason tournaments, there is more opportunity to see how the conferences perform compared to one another.

i said all along that my own opinion was that there were two good teams in the league and that everybody else was mediocre at best. I also said that the test would be in postseason play, when instead of looking at hypotheticals like RPI and conference rankings and everything else, you would have actual performance to measure. Truthfully, I hoped that I was wrong and that the Big East teams would make deep runs, strengthen the reputation of the conference, and provide a spirngboard for it going forward.

Unfortunately, so far it is not looking good. I guess you could say that validates my earlier comments, but I'd much rather have been wrong.

I just thought that now that we have actual games to watch it was worth bumping this thread to compare the RPI, bracketology, Lunardi, etc stuff to what happens when they play the games.

 

[paultzman]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

And this delights you? Or just validates what you have said so often?

It doesn't delight me at all. Appalled is more like it. I'd like the Big East to be a power conference, and for St John's to be at the top of the heap in that conference.

There was a debate for much of the second half of the season about what the conference is. Some touted the fact that the conference was rated third in the power rankings (ahead of the ACC) and argued that it would get five or six bids. Others said it was basically a two-bid conference, but that three or even four might get in.

The problem is that during the season the conference comparisons are mostly hypothetical, IMHO. There just isn't a large enough sample of interconference play to draw much of a conclusion. Once you get into the postseason tournaments, there is more opportunity to see how the conferences perform compared to one another.

i said all along that my own opinion was that there were two good teams in the league and that everybody else was mediocre at best. I also said that the test would be in postseason play, when instead of looking at hypotheticals like RPI and conference rankings and everything else, you would have actual performance to measure. Truthfully, I hoped that I was wrong and that the Big East teams would make deep runs, strengthen the reputation of the conference, and provide a spirngboard for it going forward.

Unfortunately, so far it is not looking good. I guess you could say that validates my earlier comments, but I'd much rather have been wrong.

I just thought that now that we have actual games to watch it was worth bumping this thread to compare the RPI, bracketology, Lunardi, etc stuff to what happens when they play the games.

Appreciate the response. Objective posters recognized out of the gate the conference was not on par with the the major ones. It was our hope that in time it could gain traction and become more than respectable. To me that period exceeded the first year. Perhaps we will always be closer to the A10 than the ACC, but that is ok if the brand of basketball is exciting, competitive and occasionally results in having someone contend for a Final Four. It is quite expected that many of us would yearn for the old BE level of respect & perhaps be too subjective.

Lastly, when football dominance devoured the old BE, what options did the basketball only schools have? Sit there and play Central Florida, etc. or try something novel and respectable. Survival dictated the move, not an expectation of replicating the original league. I welcome the move and think the base is strong in year one, although not a smashing success. Rather than mourn the loss, I have chosen to focus on the competitiveness of the teams, new rivalries and occasionally a deep run in NCAA Tourney by a BE member. I suppose the "change or perish" adage applies, as well as just accepting what is and making the best of it.

 

[newsman13]

The Ivies are respectible and there are teams that could win a game or two in the tournament. I don't think that's where many of us want to conference to be.

Hopefully, this year is a wake up call for the conference leaders to do some outside of the box thinking. All it takes is people earning their paychecks.

 

[paultzman]

The Ivies are respectible and there are teams that could win a game or two in the tournament. I don't think that's where many of us want to conference to be.

Hopefully, this year is a wake up call for the conference leaders to do some outside of the box thinking. All it takes is people earning their paychecks.

By conference leaders, I assume you mean Presidents, ADs & Ackerman. What are the specific areas of "out of box" thinking you reference? Also, is it safe to assume you are not privy to the particulars of the strategic planning of the powers to be? I assume you have journalism experience and respect that. I have executive & strategic planning experience, but feel ill qualified to critique something without having a grasp of the particulars. Just curious & not interested in contentious debate here. Thanks.

 

[lawmanfan]

Appreciate the response. Objective posters recognized out of the gate the conference was not on par with the the major ones. It was our hope that in time it could gain traction and become more than respectable. To me that period exceeded the first year. Perhaps we will always be closer to the A10 than the ACC, but that is ok if the brand of basketball is exciting, competitive and occasionally results in having someone contend for a Final Four. It is quite expected that many of us would yearn for the old BE level of respect & perhaps be too subjective.

Lastly, when football dominance devoured the old BE, what options did the basketball only schools have? Sit there and play Central Florida, etc. or try something novel and respectable. Survival dictated the move, not an expectation of replicating the original league. I welcome the move and think the base is strong in year one, although not a smashing success. Rather than mourn the loss, I have chosen to focus on the competitiveness of the teams, new rivalries and occasionally a deep run in NCAA Tourney by a BE member. I suppose the "change or perish" adage applies, as well as just accepting what is and making the best of it.

Agree entirely.

 

[kranmars]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

And this delights you? Or just validates what you have said so often?

It doesn't delight me at all. Appalled is more like it. I'd like the Big East to be a power conference, and for St John's to be at the top of the heap in that conference.

There was a debate for much of the second half of the season about what the conference is. Some touted the fact that the conference was rated third in the power rankings (ahead of the ACC) and argued that it would get five or six bids. Others said it was basically a two-bid conference, but that three or even four might get in.

The problem is that during the season the conference comparisons are mostly hypothetical, IMHO. There just isn't a large enough sample of interconference play to draw much of a conclusion. Once you get into the postseason tournaments, there is more opportunity to see how the conferences perform compared to one another.

i said all along that my own opinion was that there were two good teams in the league and that everybody else was mediocre at best. I also said that the test would be in postseason play, when instead of looking at hypotheticals like RPI and conference rankings and everything else, you would have actual performance to measure. Truthfully, I hoped that I was wrong and that the Big East teams would make deep runs, strengthen the reputation of the conference, and provide a spirngboard for it going forward.

Unfortunately, so far it is not looking good. I guess you could say that validates my earlier comments, but I'd much rather have been wrong.

I just thought that now that we have actual games to watch it was worth bumping this thread to compare the RPI, bracketology, Lunardi, etc stuff to what happens when they play the games.

Appreciate the response. Objective posters recognized out of the gate the conference was not on par with the the major ones. It was our hope that in time it could gain traction and become more than respectable. To me that period exceeded the first year. Perhaps we will always be closer to the A10 than the ACC, but that is ok if the brand of basketball is exciting, competitive and occasionally results in having someone contend for a Final Four. It is quite expected that many of us would yearn for the old BE level of respect & perhaps be too subjective.

Lastly, when football dominance devoured the old BE, what options did the basketball only schools have? Sit there and play Central Florida, etc. or try something novel and respectable. Survival dictated the move, not an expectation of replicating the original league. I welcome the move and think the base is strong in year one, although not a smashing success. Rather than mourn the loss, I have chosen to focus on the competitiveness of the teams, new rivalries and occasionally a deep run in NCAA Tourney by a BE member. I suppose the "change or perish" adage applies, as well as just accepting what is and making the best of it.

Great post Paultzman

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Bump.

St. John's gets wiped out in the first round of the NIT by a mid-major.

Xavier, which most felt was an NCAA lock, down 15 to NC State with 3 minutes to go in an NCAA play-in game.

Providence wins 23 games, including winning the conference tournament, and is an 11 seed.

Fans of the Big East (and RPI aficionados) had better hope that the 3 remaining teams in the NCAA tournament do some damage, because right now it is not looking good.

And this delights you? Or just validates what you have said so often?

It doesn't delight me at all. Appalled is more like it. I'd like the Big East to be a power conference, and for St John's to be at the top of the heap in that conference.

There was a debate for much of the second half of the season about what the conference is. Some touted the fact that the conference was rated third in the power rankings (ahead of the ACC) and argued that it would get five or six bids. Others said it was basically a two-bid conference, but that three or even four might get in.

The problem is that during the season the conference comparisons are mostly hypothetical, IMHO. There just isn't a large enough sample of interconference play to draw much of a conclusion. Once you get into the postseason tournaments, there is more opportunity to see how the conferences perform compared to one another.

i said all along that my own opinion was that there were two good teams in the league and that everybody else was mediocre at best. I also said that the test would be in postseason play, when instead of looking at hypotheticals like RPI and conference rankings and everything else, you would have actual performance to measure. Truthfully, I hoped that I was wrong and that the Big East teams would make deep runs, strengthen the reputation of the conference, and provide a spirngboard for it going forward.

Unfortunately, so far it is not looking good. I guess you could say that validates my earlier comments, but I'd much rather have been wrong.

I just thought that now that we have actual games to watch it was worth bumping this thread to compare the RPI, bracketology, Lunardi, etc stuff to what happens when they play the games.

Appreciate the response. Objective posters recognized out of the gate the conference was not on par with the the major ones. It was our hope that in time it could gain traction and become more than respectable. To me that period exceeded the first year. Perhaps we will always be closer to the A10 than the ACC, but that is ok if the brand of basketball is exciting, competitive and occasionally results in having someone contend for a Final Four. It is quite expected that many of us would yearn for the old BE level of respect & perhaps be too subjective.

Lastly, when football dominance devoured the old BE, what options did the basketball only schools have? Sit there and play Central Florida, etc. or try something novel and respectable. Survival dictated the move, not an expectation of replicating the original league. I welcome the move and think the base is strong in year one, although not a smashing success. Rather than mourn the loss, I have chosen to focus on the competitiveness of the teams, new rivalries and occasionally a deep run in NCAA Tourney by a BE member. I suppose the "change or perish" adage applies, as well as just accepting what is and making the best of it.

Great post, Paul. And you're absolutely correct that for the BE last year it was, as I've learned to call it instead of "change or perish', Grow or Die time. Classic example of an organization facing drastic changes and having to adapt to those changes, or else suffer the worst case scenario of no longer existing. I'm sure with your experience, you've seen both successful examples and not so successful examples of this.