BRACKETOLOGY, RPI, SOS

For a win in the BET, that should be factored as a “home” game for SJU, no home court advantage when all the schools get allocated the same number of seats.

True. Against Providence we'd have more fans but we can't fill half of MSG for our home games so all these guys who say its a home game aren't paying attention. Creighton fans have bought more tickets to the BET than our fans have. It would be interesting to see what the crowd split would be like if we play them or Nova in the BET. I bet it would be close to 50/50 so it's a neutral site like our other "home" games against Syracuse and Nova were.

As stated in the other thread, we need to figure out a way to get more of our alumni and students interested in the program and win over the casual NYC hoops fans that are not alumni of the other major schools. Our kids deserve better and it's demoralizing for our core fans who go to all the games and pay full price for season tix.
 
We all know what we want. This season has been disappointing. We came in with high expectations and we have come close. And I think useless we walk out of MSG with hardware this team isn't going to prove itself to most of its fans, students, and the rest of the college basketball. I want to see them cut down those nets. It has been far too long.
 
Played Syracuse and Wisconsin Neutral site.

Two power conference teams g-tech and penn state and a good mid major bucknell.

Your a joke

2/5 victories out of the weakest teams there.

Save your joke comments. We played all of those teams without any gameplan whatsoever.

Why Wagner? Why San Fran? Lavin's strategy was to hope these teams would win their conference and thus give us an RPI boost.

We played Darthmouth in January. In January, Georgetown played Michigan State on our home court. Huge difference.

Facts are facts. We have a good SOS but there are bubble teams out there with more quality wins than us. That is ultimately what will count.

People being stuck thinking 3 more wins gets us somewhere are only setting themselves up for disappointment.

Who we played is not the problem; how we played is.
 
Our lack of Top 50 wins will be our demise.

The OOC schedule was Lavin's "smartest man in the room" strategy and it will end up burning us.

We played the first half of the season without any game planning whatsoever and it showed in all of the close losses and moral victories.

Disgusting.

Our sos is 31. You are barking up he wrong tree. We had plenty of chances to bolster a resume and didn't but it wasn't for lack of chances.
 
Quite simply, net of Creighton win, this has been a season of squandered opportunities. Agree with Gman, we have had our chances. Dig a 0/5 BE hole preceded by lost pre season neutral court chances with PSU & Wisky = razor thin chance of dancing. All we can do is root for run to BE finals at this point IMO.
 
Our lack of Top 50 wins will be our demise.

The OOC schedule was Lavin's "smartest man in the room" strategy and it will end up burning us.

We played the first half of the season without any game planning whatsoever and it showed in all of the close losses and moral victories.

Disgusting.

Our sos is 31. You are barking up he wrong tree. We had plenty of chances to bolster a resume and didn't but it wasn't for lack of chances.

And just to elaborate, nova has a sos of 24 which is not much different to us. They are a 2 seed because they won their games not because of a stronger schedule.
 
Our lack of Top 50 wins will be our demise.

The OOC schedule was Lavin's "smartest man in the room" strategy and it will end up burning us.

We played the first half of the season without any game planning whatsoever and it showed in all of the close losses and moral victories.

Disgusting.

Our sos is 31. You are barking up he wrong tree. We had plenty of chances to bolster a resume and didn't but it wasn't for lack of chances.

Exactly!!! I don't see where the argument is here!
 
Our lack of Top 50 wins will be our demise.

The OOC schedule was Lavin's "smartest man in the room" strategy and it will end up burning us.

We played the first half of the season without any game planning whatsoever and it showed in all of the close losses and moral victories.

Disgusting.

The OOC schedule is not the problem. We had our chances with Cuse and Wisconsin.

We went 0-5 in conference play and just lost to Xavier on our home court, giving them a sweep. THAT is the problem.
 
People being stuck thinking 3 more wins gets us somewhere are only setting themselves up for disappointment.

One of the people thinking 3 wins is enough is Joe Lunardi, so at least we got that going for us which is nice.
 
Played Syracuse and Wisconsin Neutral site.

Two power conference teams g-tech and penn state and a good mid major bucknell.

Your a joke

2/5 victories out of the weakest teams there.

Save your joke comments. We played all of those teams without any gameplan whatsoever.

Why Wagner? Why San Fran? Lavin's strategy was to hope these teams would win their conference and thus give us an RPI boost.

We played Darthmouth in January. In January, Georgetown played Michigan State on our home court. Huge difference.

Facts are facts. We have a good SOS but there are bubble teams out there with more quality wins than us. That is ultimately what will count.

People being stuck thinking 3 more wins gets us somewhere are only setting themselves up for disappointment.

Who we played is not the problem; how we played is.

Agree here. Despite all that has gone on, if we had (1) won the Barclays and (2) finished just 1 of the DePaul or Providence games, we'd be sitting on 20 wins already and the only thing we'd be talking about is how many wins we need to completely lock it up, 22 or 23.

Think about how small of an ask that is. Make free throws, finish PSU, and win a really soft tournament as far as "major conference" pre-season tournaments go, in your home city. And then either beat a conference bottom feader on the road OR don't completelty implode at home against Providence, up 4 in the 2nd OT with just over a minute to play.

There's nothing to pin our current status on besides not winning imminently winnable games that tournament teams should win.
 
Does anyone know who has the better track record in predicting the field: Lunardi or Jerry Palm at CBS? Even when Lunardi had us in, Palm had us out:

"It looks like St. John's will have to make their at-large case in the Big East tournament. A home loss to Xavier puts their at-large hopes in serious danger, and games left with DePaul and Marquette don't help them much."
 
There is no such thing as play in games anymore guys, no matter what you choose to believe if they are part of the field of 68 they are in the dance.

It's a play in game just like we're the Redmen.
 
Does anyone know who has the better track record in predicting the field: Lunardi or Jerry Palm at CBS? Even when Lunardi had us in, Palm had us out:

"It looks like St. John's will have to make their at-large case in the Big East tournament. A home loss to Xavier puts their at-large hopes in serious danger, and games left with DePaul and Marquette don't help them much."

More of a non-answer to your question, but if Palm is better then he is scary good. Lunardi has an amazing rate of accuracy.
 
People being stuck thinking 3 more wins gets us somewhere are only setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think we need five.
If I'm not mistaken 5 wins means winning our remaining games and the BE tourney. So you are wrong we don't need 5. If we get 3 winning the BE tourney, we can loose our next 2 games.
 
People being stuck thinking 3 more wins gets us somewhere are only setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think we need five.
If I'm not mistaken 5 wins means winning our remaining games and the BE tourney. So you are wrong we don't need 5. If we get 3 winning the BE tourney, we can loose our next 2 games.

I knew somebody would point out that winning the right three games gets us in, but was too lazy to add disclaimer.

Aside from that, I've been a bit preoccupied lately and lost track of games. I thought we had three regular season games left. I didn't think 21 wins gets it done, and even 22 didn't make me 100 percent comfortable, so my thinking was that we needed to make the finals to get in. So now I guess I think we need to win it all.
 
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