Boston College, Sun., Dec. 10, 4:30p, ESPNU

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Wanted to give it a bit to reflect:

I still pinch myself that Rick is our coach. I don’t put any of this on him. I think he assumed he could mold them & teach them defensively, but either they aren’t getting it or they aren’t quick enough. I would hope this is a wakeup call for next yr. Make absolutely sure the next guys are quick enough to keep guys in front of them & are dedicated to D.

I think we also badly miss having guards who can drive into the paint & finish. Simply put, Dingle & Jenkins are usually not quick enough to beat guys off dribble. They end up passing around perimeter. This is partly why we don’t get many FT’s.

Honestly I expected us to win 22-23 in our sleep even with a new team due to Rick factor. We still have a chance but if we get into our usual BE hole to start, we’re likely missing NCAAT. It’s been disappointing. I just don’t think we have the players to get there. Next yr and beyond I trust Rick to address these limitations. I’d be weary of getting guards from MAAC & Ivy as well. Trust in Rick but this has been letdown. The days of losing to BC/Dayton/mediocre Michigan were supposed to be over. Only gets tougher from here but full trust in Rick.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Have said before Soriano should get most shots on team. No credit to the pg for Soriano having his best offensive season?
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More like in spite of not having a point guard.
Jenkins wasn’t the point guard at Iona and doesn’t have Clayton here.
I don’t dislike Jenkins game, just don’t like him as a point guard.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
The definitive reality here as has been expressed time and again , was Pitino wanted and expected his Backcourt to be Jenkins and Clayton .

It had to be a big disappointment to RP that Clayton didn’t transfer here to play with Jenkins . That duo had Court Chemistry at Iona that doesn’t exist here .

I can’t believe the criticism being put forth so intensely on Jenkins . Theirs is no evidence that RP has anything less than full confidence in Daniss . So , if your pissing on Jenkins , your pissing on Rick .

Let’s be real for a minute . Have either Dingle or Ledlum lived up to expectations to be impact players here as they were in the Ivy League ? The answer to that is No. Not so far .

Pitino has as much said in his Presser that somebody might have over sold the goods on these 2 players . Truth be known , they are great young men , decent BB players but , are short in some of the abilities that Pitino needs on his teams . They are not fast , nor quick , nor up to now , only average shooters with below expectations in scoring .

So , to be so critical of Jenkins , why not take up that mantle with Rick himself ? Not bury Jenkins . I’ m sure RP would enjoy the dialogue with those dumping on Jenkins . Doubt you would get anything less than a complete endorsement of Jenkins . And , a scathing look from Rick .
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Rick is pissing on himself, man. He openly said he had issues putting together the roster and made mistakes. He called his front court depth awful and said he regrets adding so many older guys that can’t play defense.

What more can he say beyond that as their coach? He’s not a forum poster 😂

I am convinced he didn’t want Jenkins until Posh and Clayton became unlikely. Why wouldn’t he mention Jenkins at all for a week when he mentioned “Walt” daily?

I’m sure he’ll be much more candid about this 23-24 squad as he’s later in his tenure here or if it becomes clear that they have no chance to dance.
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Have said before Soriano should get most shots on team. No credit to the pg for Soriano having his best offensive season?
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He was 8-12 and we stopped passing him the ball. He had one FG in the last 14:55 of the game. How does that happen?

Also curious for you or anyone else to explain to me why Jenkins never draws fouls or gets layups? He’s averaging 1.0 FTA per game which is essentially impossible for anyone that has the ball in his hand that much. He has 0 attempts in 6 games.

Jenkins is going to get 10 and 5 on his worst night. That’s his floor with the role he has. I’m sure there will be games when he’s very good too, but you can’t consistently win with someone like him at this level.
 
Marillac2 said:
He was 8-12 and we stopped passing him the ball. He had one FG in the last 14:55 of the game. How does that happen?

Also curious for you or anyone else to explain to me why Jenkins never draws fouls or gets layups? He’s averaging 1.0 FTA per game which is essentially impossible for anyone that has the ball in his hand that much. He has 0 attempts in 6 games.

Jenkins is going to get 10 and 5 on his worst night. That’s his floor with the role he has. I’m sure there will be games when he’s very good too, but you can’t consistently win with someone like him at this level.
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Bottom line Marillac2 is that Jenkins doesn’t possess the most important attribute that all good Point Guards possess, he doesn’t makes the players around him better. Thats it. Regardless of how many points he scores or how few turnovers he has, he doesn’t distribute the ball well and put his teammates in the best position to excel. He can’t win games by himself.
 
carmineabbatiello said:
8 to 0!!! Plus 6 +/- in a 6 point loss!!!
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If we are going to knock anyone any game you gotta look at the +- to be fair. Heck we should be looking at that for us as fans because I’m relatively sure our +- gets better then I’m in the bathroom
 
mjmaherjr said:
If we are going to knock anyone any game you gotta look at the +- to be fair.
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Nobody is looking to be fair. Who's the most popular player on a losing football team? Who's the most popular player on a losing college basketball team? Many of this long suffering fanbase need a scapegoat and it's always gonna be the point. Fairness and facts are irrelevant. Same as it ever was - same as it ever was.
 
Mean Gene said:
Bottom line Marillac2 is that Jenkins doesn’t possess the most important attribute that all good Point Guards possess, he doesn’t makes the players around him better. Thats it. Regardless of how many points he scores or how few turnovers he has, he doesn’t distribute the ball well and put his teammates in the best position to excel. He can’t win games by himself.
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Remember that all this negativity about Jenkins comes after a disappointing loss to BC where Daniss Jenkins actually played his ass off, scored double figures and had 8 assists.
His role is not to make Dingle better! Dingle was our most coveted transfer. Daniss is hopefully making Simeon Wilcher better in practices.
Other than the porous defense, the reason St. John's lost this game is because Dingle took 15 shots.......and made only THREE! His assist was an accident because he is not a playmaker.
For the realists on this thread, the loss of RJ Luis is big. Not having Cruz to spell Daniss also hurt as Wilcher is not ready yet.
 
Rocket said:
Remember that all this negativity about Jenkins comes after a disappointing loss to BC where Daniss Jenkins actually played his ass off, scored double figures and had 8 assists.
His role is not to make Dingle better! Dingle was our most coveted transfer. Daniss is hopefully making Simeon Wilcher better in practices.
Other than the porous defense, the reason St. John's lost this game is because Dingle took 15 shots.......and made only THREE! His assist was an accident because he is not a playmaker.
For the realists on this thread, the loss of RJ Luis is big. Not having Cruz to spell Daniss also hurt as Wilcher is not ready yet.
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What game did you watch?
 
Solo podcast reaction like the good ol days (last year) but I focused on a few points - why the defense was "bad" and the lack of production from the bench. How do you fix the defense? Is it even possible, as you'll hear from Rick Pitino even he's not sure. But I know the hot takes have been extreme and emotions are high so perhaps this pod can help people cope a little. There's still a few days till Fordham so we can stew together and move on while the Johnnies get their tails kicked in practice leading up to Fordham on Saturday.



 
Mean Gene said:
Bottom line Marillac2 is that Jenkins doesn’t possess the most important attribute that all good Point Guards possess, he doesn’t makes the players around him better. Thats it. Regardless of how many points he scores or how few turnovers he has, he doesn’t distribute the ball well and put his teammates in the best position to excel. He can’t win games by himself.
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Man, I thought he had a beautiful passing game against BC Gene. And he should have had a 9th assist if not for a rare Soriano mistake where he didn’t finish the oop in the second half.
 
Marillac2 said:
He was 8-12 and we stopped passing him the ball. He had one FG in the last 14:55 of the game. How does that happen?

Also curious for you or anyone else to explain to me why Jenkins never draws fouls or gets layups? He’s averaging 1.0 FTA per game which is essentially impossible for anyone that has the ball in his hand that much. He has 0 attempts in 6 games.

Jenkins is going to get 10 and 5 on his worst night. That’s his floor with the role he has. I’m sure there will be games when he’s very good too, but you can’t consistently win with someone like him at this level.
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Jenkins played 24 minutes. You’ve seen the +\- that’s what happened. Dingle and Ledlum gonna write your kids college recs or something? Your stuff with Jenkins is crazy.
 
Rocket said:
Remember that all this negativity about Jenkins comes after a disappointing loss to BC where Daniss Jenkins actually played his ass off, scored double figures and had 8 assists.
His role is not to make Dingle better! Dingle was our most coveted transfer. Daniss is hopefully making Simeon Wilcher better in practices.
Other than the porous defense, the reason St. John's lost this game is because Dingle took 15 shots.......and made only THREE! His assist was an accident because he is not a playmaker.
For the realists on this thread, the loss of RJ Luis is big. Not having Cruz to spell Daniss also hurt as Wilcher is not ready yet.
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72 is right on. Very well balanced post. Thx ! we can definitely take things to extremes here
 
Marillac2 said:
What game did you watch?
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The game where Jenkins had 10 points, 8 assists, 4 steals and 3 rebounds.
The game where Dingle shot 3-15, 1-6 from three and 1 assist.
The game where Wilcher played 6 minutes and contributed 1 turnover.
The game where St. John's allowed a 7ft center to bring the ball up court and dish out NINE ASSISTS.

Is that the same game you watched?
 
Marillac2 said:
Rick is pissing on himself, man. He openly said he had issues putting together the roster and made mistakes. He called his front court depth awful and said he regrets adding so many older guys that can’t play defense.

What more can he say beyond that as their coach? He’s not a forum poster 😂

I am convinced he didn’t want Jenkins until Posh and Clayton became unlikely. Why wouldn’t he mention Jenkins at all for a week when he mentioned “Walt” daily?

I’m sure he’ll be much more candid about this 23-24 squad as he’s later in his tenure here or if it becomes clear that they have no chance to dance.
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Is it normal for a coach to put down his players like this in public? I don’t recall any prior SJU coach being so critical in public. I actually don’t mind it but it seems harsh.
 
The Jenkins slander is getting funny cause the only real solution you guys offer is to play Wilcher more minutes.

cause personally what I see from Wilcher when he does get in, is probably the worst defender on the team and also a guy who has no idea how to score yet at a D1 level.

Wanting Wilcher to receive more minutes for his development makes sense, but you guys want it because you think it’s gonna “fix” something. It’s not gonna fix anything
 
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