Big East Expansion
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Moose
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=307684]Can we f arounds with their recruits?
Can our plane make their plane an our late as they wait behind our plane?
Syracuse is scum, but don't remember them doing that, only uconn?
Their public enemy to me.
If they come back to the B.E. and one of their pos fans f's with me, I will snap the f out and put a whooping on his ass.
I beg the ACC to please take them, before genius Val lets them back in.
I gotta stop reading this thread, it's pissing me off real bad lol[/quote]
How do you really feel?
Can our plane make their plane an our late as they wait behind our plane?
Syracuse is scum, but don't remember them doing that, only uconn?
Their public enemy to me.
If they come back to the B.E. and one of their pos fans f's with me, I will snap the f out and put a whooping on his ass.
I beg the ACC to please take them, before genius Val lets them back in.
I gotta stop reading this thread, it's pissing me off real bad lol[/quote]
How do you really feel?
ManhattAn1
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[quote="Section9" post=307615][quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]
They sell out the Garden anyway. Each school gets a 1/12 share as does the conference and MSG. Any unsold seats through the schools get redistributed. Now just because they sell out doesn't mean there's a fanny in every seat. pukon joining would have no impact on this.[/quote]
They only sold out 3 out of 5 sessions.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]
They sell out the Garden anyway. Each school gets a 1/12 share as does the conference and MSG. Any unsold seats through the schools get redistributed. Now just because they sell out doesn't mean there's a fanny in every seat. pukon joining would have no impact on this.[/quote]
They only sold out 3 out of 5 sessions.
ManhattAn1
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=307628]Well glass half full if we add pukon at least I'll get 1 more msg home game added to the season ticket package
Glass Half Empty-The Bronx Pale Ale line will be way to long with Pukon fans
F That[/quote]
Or they move seton hall or providence to CA like last year with Prov.
Glass Half Empty-The Bronx Pale Ale line will be way to long with Pukon fans
F That[/quote]
Or they move seton hall or providence to CA like last year with Prov.
[quote="Manhattan1" post=307731][quote="Section9" post=307615][quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]
They sell out the Garden anyway. Each school gets a 1/12 share as does the conference and MSG. Any unsold seats through the schools get redistributed. Now just because they sell out doesn't mean there's a fanny in every seat. pukon joining would have no impact on this.[/quote]
They only sold out 3 out of 5 sessions.[/quote]
I thought you had to buy a package for all the games. So my guess is individual tickets for the play-in rounds didn't sell out. Having pukon in conference wouldn't sell those tix anyway.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]
They sell out the Garden anyway. Each school gets a 1/12 share as does the conference and MSG. Any unsold seats through the schools get redistributed. Now just because they sell out doesn't mean there's a fanny in every seat. pukon joining would have no impact on this.[/quote]
They only sold out 3 out of 5 sessions.[/quote]
I thought you had to buy a package for all the games. So my guess is individual tickets for the play-in rounds didn't sell out. Having pukon in conference wouldn't sell those tix anyway.
Spocky Ramone
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[quote="redken" post=307741]Bottom line: Like everything else in sports these days, it'll come down to what translates into the most money for the conference. Fans' opinions on rivalries or anything else won't mean a thing.[/quote]
Ding Ding Ding!
Ding Ding Ding!
To expand the league to sell some seven thousand tickets to the big east tournament is about the most asinine thing I've heard lately. There probably some very good reasons to expand but not that one.
The schedule works fine with the current make up. The number of bids for the tournament has been great. It just seems the wrong time to expand.
The schedule works fine with the current make up. The number of bids for the tournament has been great. It just seems the wrong time to expand.
I understand the hate for Uconn and wanting them to suffer, but they can help the conference and it would be silly to not bring them on out of spite.
Make them agree to an exit fee that would make leaving impossible. If spending is a concern maybe there can be some sort of a luxury tax where they forfeit rights to league revenue in proportion to spending over the limit.
They help us like it or not. Garden games will always be 14,000 fans and up. We'd sell out the Big East Tournament and keep the ACC away for decades. And they are a Big East team...natural rivalries.
Their football is dead. Nobody wants them.
Make them agree to an exit fee that would make leaving impossible. If spending is a concern maybe there can be some sort of a luxury tax where they forfeit rights to league revenue in proportion to spending over the limit.
They help us like it or not. Garden games will always be 14,000 fans and up. We'd sell out the Big East Tournament and keep the ACC away for decades. And they are a Big East team...natural rivalries.
Their football is dead. Nobody wants them.
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[quote="Marillac" post=307749]I understand the hate for Uconn and wanting them to suffer, but they can help the conference and it would be silly to not bring them on out of spite.
Make them agree to an exit fee that would make leaving impossible. If spending is a concern maybe there can be some sort of a luxury tax where they forfeit rights to league revenue in proportion to spending over the limit.
They help us like it or not. Garden games will always be 14,000 fans and up. We'd sell out the Big East Tournament and keep the ACC away for decades. And they are a Big East team...natural rivalries.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
It’s sounding more and more like it will happen. We shall see. Agree it’s probably good for our league basketball-wise. It’s a big-draw game for SJU specifically. The rivalry is good for our league. Hopefully if it gets done, like you said, we have a good deal for us in place that sets a very high penalty for leaving and we benefit if somehow they do. I don’t see their football program being much of a threat to going anywhere.
Make them agree to an exit fee that would make leaving impossible. If spending is a concern maybe there can be some sort of a luxury tax where they forfeit rights to league revenue in proportion to spending over the limit.
They help us like it or not. Garden games will always be 14,000 fans and up. We'd sell out the Big East Tournament and keep the ACC away for decades. And they are a Big East team...natural rivalries.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
It’s sounding more and more like it will happen. We shall see. Agree it’s probably good for our league basketball-wise. It’s a big-draw game for SJU specifically. The rivalry is good for our league. Hopefully if it gets done, like you said, we have a good deal for us in place that sets a very high penalty for leaving and we benefit if somehow they do. I don’t see their football program being much of a threat to going anywhere.
[quote="Marillac" post=307749]I understand the hate for Uconn and wanting them to suffer, but they can help the conference and it would be silly to not bring them on out of spite.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
Two points: 1) How exactly do they help? Go back to the full history of the Big East. Yukon did not help build the Big East. They benefited from it greatly but then split and even before that were planning it out for years. This is not simply about spite, it is about wisdom and not learning and repeated the same mistakes.
2) they are not going to dump their football program. They would only come into the Big East as a partial member like Notre Dame did. That was a crappy move for the conference with one sided benefits, but also helped rebuild the Notre Dame basketball program and then they also split.
The Big East without football, is special. Start bringing in state schools with football interests and they are serving two masters. The football master is always bigger and more compelling. The people running the conference and the interests of the members are always going to listen to the biggest money first. In the process you dilute the special quality.
Yukon = superficially attractive hooker from a distance but get up close and you see layers of cheap makeup and she smells horrible. Obviously ripe with disease. Complete masochism for the Big East and these kind of moves that seem obvious and wise on the surface would ultimately kill the conference just as they almost did already.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
Two points: 1) How exactly do they help? Go back to the full history of the Big East. Yukon did not help build the Big East. They benefited from it greatly but then split and even before that were planning it out for years. This is not simply about spite, it is about wisdom and not learning and repeated the same mistakes.
2) they are not going to dump their football program. They would only come into the Big East as a partial member like Notre Dame did. That was a crappy move for the conference with one sided benefits, but also helped rebuild the Notre Dame basketball program and then they also split.
The Big East without football, is special. Start bringing in state schools with football interests and they are serving two masters. The football master is always bigger and more compelling. The people running the conference and the interests of the members are always going to listen to the biggest money first. In the process you dilute the special quality.
Yukon = superficially attractive hooker from a distance but get up close and you see layers of cheap makeup and she smells horrible. Obviously ripe with disease. Complete masochism for the Big East and these kind of moves that seem obvious and wise on the surface would ultimately kill the conference just as they almost did already.
[quote="Manhattan1" post=307732][quote="mjmaherjr" post=307628]Well glass half full if we add pukon at least I'll get 1 more msg home game added to the season ticket package
Glass Half Empty-The Bronx Pale Ale line will be way to long with Pukon fans
F That[/quote]
Or they move seton hall or providence to CA like last year with Prov.[/quote] Ughhhhhhhh
Glass Half Empty-The Bronx Pale Ale line will be way to long with Pukon fans
F That[/quote]
Or they move seton hall or providence to CA like last year with Prov.[/quote] Ughhhhhhhh
UCONN may be a plus for the big east but I'll guarantee that the day after entering the big east they will continue to try to join the ACC or some other power conference because of the football money.
As far as collecting the money they guarantee if they leave the big east will be in court twenty years to get that. Just ask their prior coach.
If they want in make them drop football.
As far as collecting the money they guarantee if they leave the big east will be in court twenty years to get that. Just ask their prior coach.
If they want in make them drop football.
[quote="Marillac" post=307749]I understand the hate for Uconn and wanting them to suffer, but they can help the conference and it would be silly to not bring them on out of spite.
Make them agree to an exit fee that would make leaving impossible. If spending is a concern maybe there can be some sort of a luxury tax where they forfeit rights to league revenue in proportion to spending over the limit.
They help us like it or not. Garden games will always be 14,000 fans and up. We'd sell out the Big East Tournament and keep the ACC away for decades. And they are a Big East team...natural rivalries.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
And, as noted in an earlier post, adding UConn's women's team would be as huge get -- something the Big East would love to see happen.
Make them agree to an exit fee that would make leaving impossible. If spending is a concern maybe there can be some sort of a luxury tax where they forfeit rights to league revenue in proportion to spending over the limit.
They help us like it or not. Garden games will always be 14,000 fans and up. We'd sell out the Big East Tournament and keep the ACC away for decades. And they are a Big East team...natural rivalries.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
And, as noted in an earlier post, adding UConn's women's team would be as huge get -- something the Big East would love to see happen.
[quote="Paul Massell" post=307759][quote="Marillac" post=307749]I understand the hate for Uconn and wanting them to suffer, but they can help the conference and it would be silly to not bring them on out of spite.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
Two points: 1) How exactly do they help?[/quote]
I'm not disagreeing with your full post, since there are a lot of valid concerns.
However, if they're added Fox will almost certainly renegotiate the TV contract immediately and give us all more money per school. Our secondary package (with CBS) is also up for grabs next year. I could see them giving it to ESPN to keep them from trying to take back UConn (such as through the ACC). ESPN clearly doesn't want to pay UConn big time football money, anyways.
Like it or not UConn is worth more than arguably anybody in our league, and they'd guarantee more $$$ per school in the TV contract alone. Not to mention other advantages, such as SJU getting to host another MSG game each year.
There's potential disadvantages, but there's absolutely advantages as well. The question is whether the risk is worth it.
There football is dead. Nobody wants them.[/quote]
Two points: 1) How exactly do they help?[/quote]
I'm not disagreeing with your full post, since there are a lot of valid concerns.
However, if they're added Fox will almost certainly renegotiate the TV contract immediately and give us all more money per school. Our secondary package (with CBS) is also up for grabs next year. I could see them giving it to ESPN to keep them from trying to take back UConn (such as through the ACC). ESPN clearly doesn't want to pay UConn big time football money, anyways.
Like it or not UConn is worth more than arguably anybody in our league, and they'd guarantee more $$$ per school in the TV contract alone. Not to mention other advantages, such as SJU getting to host another MSG game each year.
There's potential disadvantages, but there's absolutely advantages as well. The question is whether the risk is worth it.
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[quote="MarkRedman" post=307713][quote="SJU85" post=307712]Doesn’t have to be a Catholic school (not all in the Conference now are Catholic) although St. Louis and Gonzaga (logistic problems of course) would not be bad choices.
Other private schools off the top of my head that would not be bad are Dayton and Richmond.[/quote]
Why settle for schools that would "not be bad"
There's no point in expanding just for the sake of expanding
If no schools add value to the league, leave it alone!![/quote]
Not settling. Quite frankly I am happy with what we have now but feel expansion is inevitable in the next five years. Maybe I should not have used "not bad choices" as quite frankly some would be better than others. If not for the whole east coast/west coast thing, Gonzaga would be great but the logistics make it a problem. Dayton would good and Richmond could also be. St. Louis maybe less so.
UConn (FBS and a State School), Wichita State and VCU (State Schools) would be bad choices with the way this Conference is currently constituted and based on what happened to the previous iteration of the Conference. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Other private schools off the top of my head that would not be bad are Dayton and Richmond.[/quote]
Why settle for schools that would "not be bad"
There's no point in expanding just for the sake of expanding
If no schools add value to the league, leave it alone!![/quote]
Not settling. Quite frankly I am happy with what we have now but feel expansion is inevitable in the next five years. Maybe I should not have used "not bad choices" as quite frankly some would be better than others. If not for the whole east coast/west coast thing, Gonzaga would be great but the logistics make it a problem. Dayton would good and Richmond could also be. St. Louis maybe less so.
UConn (FBS and a State School), Wichita State and VCU (State Schools) would be bad choices with the way this Conference is currently constituted and based on what happened to the previous iteration of the Conference. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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[quote="Room112" post=307773]How is there risk though? If UConn joins and leaves after five years, it's not like that will break the league apart.[/quote]
If UConn joins for a few years, turns into the new Nova, and then leaves after a few years... all while stealing our recruits... then they'd be a terrible addition.
That's a lot of "ifs" though, and I don't see it happening. Worst case I think is they become one of 2-3 league leaders (along with a rotation of Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, Xavier... and us), and then leave after 10-15 years. In that case, definitely not the end of the world and we could benefit (more $$$). I assume if they're added, they'd need to agree to some sort of an exit fee.
This is Nova's league and everybody else in the conference is recruiting well. Eventually another team or two will join them at the top (maybe this year). Nearly all 10 of our schools are recruiting better now than we did 6-7 years ago when UConn was dominate. I'm not concerned with UConn coming in and running things like a lot of people here appear to be.
If UConn joins for a few years, turns into the new Nova, and then leaves after a few years... all while stealing our recruits... then they'd be a terrible addition.
That's a lot of "ifs" though, and I don't see it happening. Worst case I think is they become one of 2-3 league leaders (along with a rotation of Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, Xavier... and us), and then leave after 10-15 years. In that case, definitely not the end of the world and we could benefit (more $$$). I assume if they're added, they'd need to agree to some sort of an exit fee.
This is Nova's league and everybody else in the conference is recruiting well. Eventually another team or two will join them at the top (maybe this year). Nearly all 10 of our schools are recruiting better now than we did 6-7 years ago when UConn was dominate. I'm not concerned with UConn coming in and running things like a lot of people here appear to be.
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ronm
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[quote="Adam" post=307784][quote="Room112" post=307773]How is there risk though? If UConn joins and leaves after five years, it's not like that will break the league apart.[/quote]
If UConn joins for a few years, turns into the new Nova, and then leaves after a few years... all while stealing our recruits... then they'd be a terrible addition.
That's a lot of "ifs" though, and I don't see it happening. Worst case I think is they become one of 2-3 league leaders (along with a rotation of Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, Xavier... and us), and then leave after 10-15 years. In that case, definitely not the end of the world and we could benefit (more $$$). I assume if they're added, they'd need to agree to some sort of an exit fee.
This is Nova's league and everybody else in the conference is recruiting well. Eventually another team or two will join them at the top (maybe this year). Nearly all 10 of our schools are recruiting better now than we did 6-7 years ago when UConn was dominate. I'm not concerned with UConn coming in and running things like a lot of people here appear to be.[/quote]
Good chance they steal our recruits whether they join or not.
If UConn joins for a few years, turns into the new Nova, and then leaves after a few years... all while stealing our recruits... then they'd be a terrible addition.
That's a lot of "ifs" though, and I don't see it happening. Worst case I think is they become one of 2-3 league leaders (along with a rotation of Georgetown, Marquette, Nova, Xavier... and us), and then leave after 10-15 years. In that case, definitely not the end of the world and we could benefit (more $$$). I assume if they're added, they'd need to agree to some sort of an exit fee.
This is Nova's league and everybody else in the conference is recruiting well. Eventually another team or two will join them at the top (maybe this year). Nearly all 10 of our schools are recruiting better now than we did 6-7 years ago when UConn was dominate. I'm not concerned with UConn coming in and running things like a lot of people here appear to be.[/quote]
Good chance they steal our recruits whether they join or not.