Big East Expansion

[quote="Paultzman" post=307523]https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...st-commissioner-hints-at-potential-expansion/

Not crazy about but it seems inevitable in time.[/quote]

More teams equals more games (which the ACC & Big 10 can offer), equals more revenue for MSG, equals a strengthened relationship between MSG and the Big East, given that although the extension is through 2028, there is an opt-out after 2022.

As for UConn, I've been told the BE has had its eyes on its women's program for some time. Adding them would be a huge boost to the conference, and not just financially.
 
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Redken - I may have read incorrectly, but I believe with the extension through 2028, there is no longer an opt-out in 2022.
 
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[quote="redken" post=307566][quote="Paultzman" post=307523]https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...st-commissioner-hints-at-potential-expansion/

Not crazy about but it seems inevitable in time.[/quote]

More teams equals more games (which the ACC & Big 10 can offer), equals more revenue for MSG, equals a strengthened relationship between MSG and the Big East, given that although the extension is through 2028, there is an opt-out after 2022.

As for UConn, I've been told the BE has had its eyes on its women's program for some time. Adding them would be a huge boost to the conference, and not just financially.[/quote]

Wait, there's still the opt-out after 2022? Wasn't the point of the contract to eliminate that?
 
If ACC is suddenly interested in UCONN, they would use the Big East as a leverage tool, and more than likely, overwhelmingly choose the ACC and big cash payday over the Big East. That would leave egg on our faces again.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=307569]If ACC is suddenly interested in UCONN, they would use the Big East as a leverage tool, and more than likely, overwhelmingly choose the ACC and big cash payday over the Big East. That would leave egg on our faces again.[/quote]

After UConn having one of the worst football seasons in history, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Especially with the MSG contract extension. Football drives expansion, not basketball.

Could be a problem years from now, but I don't see their football program improving dramatically like it needs to.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=307567]Redken - I may have read incorrectly, but I believe with the extension through 2028, there is no longer an opt-out in 2022.[/quote]

The announcers during the Princeton game said there was an opt out.
 
[quote="ron s m" post=307571][quote="RedStormNC" post=307567]Redken - I may have read incorrectly, but I believe with the extension through 2028, there is no longer an opt-out in 2022.[/quote]

The announcers during the Princeton game said there was an opt out.[/quote]

In the NY Post article, it says:

The extension is for two years, going through 2028, though there was an opt-out for both sides after 2022.

I thought that the word "was" meant that the original contract had an opt out for 2022 (which we knew previously). If this referred to the new contract, wouldn't they use the word "is" instead? Otherwise, the tone of the article (fending off the ACC/B1G) doesn't make sense given that nothing has changed.

If the new contract simply adds 2 years to the end of the contract, I don't see how it'd help.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=307552][quote="ctstorm" post=307551][quote="Room112" post=307546][quote="Moose" post=307545]Uconn football is on a respirator at this point.[/quote]

It is. And unfortunately they don't have any plans to end it because of the large investment they placed into it. The program is costing the school Monday at this point. Sas[/quote]


The investment includes some pretty hefty donations from alumni (probably not you) and friends that would not be too pleased.[/quote]

You guys as residents and grads I'm sure follow it a lot more closely than I do. But if something keeps hemorrhaging money something has to give. Donations aside.[/quote]


Not talking about the pocket change like what I give to St. John's, but rather 6 and 7 figure donations from folks who give to other parts of the school too. The plan to upgrade was not spur of the moment but was put in place back in the early 1990's.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]

They are already doing that. Splitting up 19k tickets among 10 teams isn't hard. And that's before companies get their hands in the jar.
 
[quote="ctstorm" post=307575][quote="Moose" post=307552][quote="ctstorm" post=307551][quote="Room112" post=307546][quote="Moose" post=307545]Uconn football is on a respirator at this point.[/quote]

It is. And unfortunately they don't have any plans to end it because of the large investment they placed into it. The program is costing the school Monday at this point. Sas[/quote]


The investment includes some pretty hefty donations from alumni (probably not you) and friends that would not be too pleased.[/quote]

You guys as residents and grads I'm sure follow it a lot more closely than I do. But if something keeps hemorrhaging money something has to give. Donations aside.[/quote]


Not talking about the pocket change like what I give to St. John's, but rather 6 and 7 figure donations from folks who give to other parts of the school too. The plan to upgrade was not spur of the moment but was put in place back in the early 1990's.[/quote]

I know we're not talking Red White type pregame donations. But are the numbers public on how much they are losing? If significant year after year it would make sense to pay back the donations on a certain level to save in the long run. Again hardly my area of expertise. Just falling on what common sense here if I was running a business.
 
[quote="Moose" post=307552][quote="ctstorm" post=307551][quote="Room112" post=307546][quote="Moose" post=307545]Uconn football is on a respirator at this point.[/quote]

It is. And unfortunately they don't have any plans to end it because of the large investment they placed into it. The program is costing the school Monday at this point. Sas[/quote]


The investment includes some pretty hefty donations from alumni (probably not you) and friends that would not be too pleased.[/quote]

You guys as residents and grads I'm sure follow it a lot more closely than I do. But if something keeps hemorrhaging money something has to give. Donations aside.[/quote]

C'mon Moose, I've been living in Manhattan for over a decade now lol, even though I commuted to Stamford for a couple years for work. Connecticut was just a pit stop for me in life. I don't follow it closely at all to be honest I just check out the headlines. Just to know how the school is doing for the purpose of my degree not losing value lol.
 
[quote="Moose" post=307578][quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]

They are already doing that. Splitting up 19k tickets among 10 teams isn't hard. And that's before companies get their hands in the jar.[/quote]

They are not selling out the garden every session, it was only 3 out of 5. Also Semi Finals and Finals walk up sales sold out the Garden the day of game. If you had a xavier /marquette final you may only have 15,000 fans tops. You bring in UCONN earlier they will scoop tickets up early and the event will be a guarantee sell out prior to the tournament starting which we have not done yet.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=307583][quote="Moose" post=307578][quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]

They are already doing that. Splitting up 19k tickets among 10 teams isn't hard. And that's before companies get their hands in the jar.[/quote]

They are not selling out the garden every session, it was only 3 out of 5. Also Semi Finals and Finals walk up sales sold out the Garden the day of game. If you had a xavier /marquette final you may only have 15,000 fans tops. You bring in UCONN earlier they will scoop tickets up early and the event will be a guarantee sell out prior to the tournament starting which we have not done yet.[/quote]

To be clear, selling out 3/5 is excellent and better than any other conference. We're not going to do much better than that.

That said, attendance was in large part due to a very strong showing by Nova. Attendance the past 2 years saw a huge uptick after Nova's Title a few years ago.

Without Nova's dominance, I'm not sure the extension happens. They'll have down years like this year where they may not make the BET finals. Like you said, just need to hope we don't get stuck with two midwestern teams.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=307583][quote="Moose" post=307578][quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]

They are already doing that. Splitting up 19k tickets among 10 teams isn't hard. And that's before companies get their hands in the jar.[/quote]

They are not selling out the garden every session, it was only 3 out of 5. Also Semi Finals and Finals walk up sales sold out the Garden the day of game. If you had a xavier /marquette final you may only have 15,000 fans tops. You bring in UCONN earlier they will scoop tickets up early and the event will be a guarantee sell out prior to the tournament starting which we have not done yet.[/quote]

So Uconn scoop up tickets? Aren't the tickets divided equally among the schools in the outset?
 
I hate UConn but it’d help the big east tournament be way more of a spectacle, that’s why I’d add them and VCU, cause VCU has a loyal fan base that would probably come out also. Wichita state would be good too, cause their rivalry with creighton could be a great storyline for the big east to market
 
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[quote="Adam" post=307585][quote="Manhattan1" post=307583][quote="Moose" post=307578][quote="Manhattan1" post=307564]Key is they want to sell the garden out for every session. Uconn in the big east will do that.
Simply $$ decision, I am all for it. Better games at MSG for us.[/quote]

They are already doing that. Splitting up 19k tickets among 10 teams isn't hard. And that's before companies get their hands in the jar.[/quote]

They are not selling out the garden every session, it was only 3 out of 5. Also Semi Finals and Finals walk up sales sold out the Garden the day of game. If you had a xavier /marquette final you may only have 15,000 fans tops. You bring in UCONN earlier they will scoop tickets up early and the event will be a guarantee sell out prior to the tournament starting which we have not done yet.[/quote]

To be clear, selling out 3/5 is excellent and better than any other conference. We're not going to do much better than that.

That said, attendance was in large part due to a very strong showing by Nova. Attendance the past 2 years saw a huge uptick after Nova's Title a few years ago.

Without Nova's dominance, I'm not sure the extension happens. They'll have down years like this year where they may not make the BET finals. Like you said, just need to hope we don't get stuck with two midwestern teams.[/quote]

It helps having people within MSG who care and have an affinity for the BE. Joel Fisher is one of those people. In addition for the years prior Scott O'Neill is a big Nova guy. Provided the BE doesn't have an absolute disaster this relationship will continue for my lifetime and beyond.

I'm far from the ticket process but I thought in the past each school would divvy up the 19k after sponsors and you would have to buy the entire strip. So not sure how that would only allow for certain sessions to be sold out and others not so much?
 
And back to this uconn shit.
I really wish the ACC would just take them so those of us a depise those pos won't ever have to hear about oconn to the B.E. ever again.
F the money that they'd bring, just remember they tried to f the B.E. not once but twice, and wanted to go to the ACC, so why help that GD pos school?
If they really wanted in the B.E. I have 2 ideas: 1. Pick up dog crap with a news paper and tell the uconn president to eat it, and 2. Drop your football program.
I'm dead serious on both ideas as well.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=307589]And back to this uconn shit.
I really wish the ACC would just take them so those of us a depise those pos won't ever have to hear about oconn to the B.E. ever again.
F the money that they'd bring, just remember they tried to f the B.E. not once but twice, and wanted to go to the ACC, so why help that GD pos school?
If they really wanted in the B.E. I have 2 ideas: 1. Pick up dog crap with a news paper and tell the uconn president to eat it, and 2. Drop your football program.
I'm dead serious on both ideas as well.[/quote]

Heres the thing. I don't think UConn is a good fit because they are a public school and have all of the resources most others don't, but would adding them help the conference? That's all that really matters. Have to put pride to the side. I could see an argument for both sides on I'd we need them.
 
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