Big East Expansion

[quote="Room112" post=307597][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=307589]And back to this uconn shit.
I really wish the ACC would just take them so those of us a depise those pos won't ever have to hear about oconn to the B.E. ever again.
F the money that they'd bring, just remember they tried to f the B.E. not once but twice, and wanted to go to the ACC, so why help that GD pos school?
If they really wanted in the B.E. I have 2 ideas: 1. Pick up dog crap with a news paper and tell the uconn president to eat it, and 2. Drop your football program.
I'm dead serious on both ideas as well.[/quote]

Heres the thing. I don't think UConn is a good fit because they are a public school and have all of the resources most others don't, but would adding them help the conference? That's all that really matters. Have to put pride to the side. I could see an argument for both sides on I'd we need them.[/quote]

Oh hello no, giving the conference a bad smell like crap, is never a good thing.

Here's the thing, they wanted to leave the b.e in the worst way, so they should be happy, they got what they wanted. So they need to stop begging to be let back in.
Guess I'm not the forgiven type.
 
[quote="Room112" post=307627][quote="Paul Massell" post=307610]I wonder how much value yukon actually brings to media? They sponge off of the already existing Big East media markets so it is not like a Dayton or St. Louis who would bring in new audience share. This is all assumptions that yukon bring so much value. They also leach off of the primary recruiting grounds of Big East schools so it is all good for Yukon bball but not so much for existing Big East members. Every assumption of value added promise of yukon is questionable. They have a good recruiting class but they've had several the past few years and are low to middle of the pack AAC. Big difference between Jim Calhoun yukon of the Big East and present day realities. Assuming that Hurley will make them relevant again is also just that. He hasn't done anything there yet despite the grass is so much greener crowd here.[/quote]

Realistically the only thing you can for certain count on them for is they will fill seats during the BE tourney. Do we even need their help with that since we've done it without them? Not sure. Someone else brought up they would bring a certain rivalry back to the Big East which has been missing.

The thing to remember about Connecticut is there are no pro sports teams so them and the women are the #1 show in town. They do get great support in the state.[/quote]

Yeah, envious of teams that reign locally.
But if we can regain relevancy, there's a distinct place for St. John's in the NYC sports scene.
 
St. John's should be a NO on Yukon. They screwed us and chose the greedy football path. That was there choice. They pushed their way out. They didn't give a fig about SJU or the Catholic 7. Maybe this isn't the old Big East but we survived. We have a strong basketball only conference with schools similar to ourselves. Yukon might want back in because they maybe have come to realize that their football dream has turned into a blood sucking, money losing operation. They are not football Notre Dame or Penn State. NEVER will be. So now they look back at the schools they left for dead and essentially want back in because the AAC sucks and football is a loser for them. We should not sell our souls for whatever they can "add". F'em.
 
We do not need UConn back in the league. We do not need them to sell out the Big East Conference Tournament. The conference needs St. John’s to be a perennial top team in the league. If that happens and we have a chance to win the thing every year , MSG will be sold out. Just my opinion.
 
[quote="redken" post=307566]
........More teams equals more games (which the ACC & Big 10 can offer), equals more revenue for MSG, equals a strengthened relationship between MSG and the Big East, ......[/quote]

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1. More teams also allows the BE to offer more games to televise when the Fox contract nears expiration. Provided the team(s) added offer quality play that enhances the next BE media deal,.

2. The BE will expand if and when its media consultant advises it to and will add only the school(s) which will add most value to its media product.

3. My guess is that the BE adds both Witcha State and Yukon.
 
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Read the UConn boards. They don’t even consider the Big East a real conference and somehow try to lay claim. They certainly don’t deserve it. I hope the Big East does what’s right here and protects our core interests. Like I said, having a bunch of good AD’d here helps us as a league Overall. I’m fine with expansion. UConn I’m leary about and their administrators are as insufferable as their fans. Don’t trust that program one bit. They need to get Lex Luthor jail treatment if they are to be brought back in here somehow...
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=307655]Read the UConn boards. They don’t even consider the Big East a real conference and somehow try to lay claim. They certainly don’t deserve it. I hope the Big East does what’s right here and protects our core interests. Like I said, having a bunch of good AD’d here helps us as a league Overall. I’m fine with expansion. UConn I’m leary about and their administrators are as insufferable as their fans. Don’t trust that program one bit. They need to get Lex Luthor jail treatment if they are to be brought back in here somehow...[/quote]

Yep, they sound like a bunch of entitled arrogant pricks. They don't even realize the Big East has been in the Top 3 in RPI since breaking away.

But see, all of the hatred towards them in this thread would just create a great rivalry. Going to 11 teams is inevitable like the article said, so we can have a 20 game conference schedule like the other conferences.
 
[quote="Room112" post=307657]
[Yukon fans] sound like a bunch of entitled arrogant pricks. They don't even realize the Big East has been in the Top 3 in RPI since breaking away...... .[/quote]
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IMO most of the posters on the Boneyard are delusional because many post messages indicating that they believe that the telephone will ring any day now with an invite to the ACC, B10, or B12.
 
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[quote="otis" post=307654][quote="redken" post=307566]
........More teams equals more games (which the ACC & Big 10 can offer), equals more revenue for MSG, equals a strengthened relationship between MSG and the Big East, ......[/quote]

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1. More teams also allows the BE to offer more games to televise when the Fox contract nears expiration. Provided the team(s) added offer quality play that enhances the next BE media deal,.

2. The BE will expand if and when its media consultant advises it to and will add only the school(s) which will add most value to its media product.

3. My guess is that the BE adds both Witcha State and Yukon.[/quote]

OTIS, those are two state schools. Uconn is a possibility only because they were prior members with a strong following in the area but Wichita plays in Kansas and Kansas State territory. From a media perspective I would take Dayton and some Ohio territory before Kansas. Finally, Gregg Marshall is a great coach but he won't be there forever. He coached under Kresse at Charleston and we should have grabbed him in 1996 when he was looking for his own gig.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=307628]Well glass half full if we add pukon at least I'll get 1 more msg home game added to the season ticket package

Glass Half Empty-The Bronx Pale Ale line will be way to long with Pukon fans

F That[/quote]

Why, do they sell PBR in that line as well?
 
I see the Conference expanding eventually but they should not include FBS or State schools. UConn is both while VCU and Wichita State (who just joined a new conference) is one, so no to all three. Their are other good private programs around (Dayton for one) that could be added (Gonzaga but logistically that would be a problem especially if the lesser revenue sports were to be included).
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=307670][quote="mjmaherjr" post=307628]Well glass half full if we add pukon at least I'll get 1 more msg home game added to the season ticket package

Glass Half Empty-The Bronx Pale Ale line will be way to long with Pukon fans

F That[/quote]

Why, do they sell PBR in that line as well?[/quote] good point
 
At the end of the day expansion will be dictated by tv and increasing exposure. I’m more than content with our conference the way it is but if someone can give me a quantifiable reason for expansion which will increase schools $$$ you gotta listen because more money per school means more spending per school and hopefully help us compete in the arms race which this basically has become. If increased revenue makes a coach think twice about leaving for a bigger money school then continuity is a great thing. UConn I really don’t care about anymore but there are a couple other schools I’d be very interested in but tv wise I’d have no idea if it makes sense and also you gotta factor in increased travel expenses etc but either way I personally have full trust in Ackerman and think the conference has the right stewardship
 
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Can we f arounds with their recruits?
Can our plane make their plane an our late as they wait behind our plane?
Syracuse is scum, but don't remember them doing that, only uconn?
Their public enemy to me.
If they come back to the B.E. and one of their pos fans f's with me, I will snap the f out and put a whooping on his ass.
I beg the ACC to please take them, before genius Val lets them back in.

I gotta stop reading this thread, it's pissing me off real bad lol
 
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Isn't expansion all about getting into big media markets or whatever. Thats the reason UConn can't get into the ACC or Big Ten. Conference needs to stick to the blueprint with no football schools and all private schools. Gonzaga shouldn't be an option thats just ridiculous they are way too far away. Dayton and Saint Louis are the most obvious choices.

Dayton is similar to Creighton, they have a really strong fan base and a solid program. They also are not dependent on one coach staying there for life. The one thing holding them back is that Dayton is not a big market and Xavier has that region covered already. St. Louis is the 21st biggest media market in the country and a hotbed recruiting wise. The program has had success recently but not consistently. Travis Ford has the program on the rise though, they are having a pretty good year so far and recruiting has been strong. Downfall is he could jump ship if offered a bigger job and then who knows if they'd find the right guy to keep it going. Big East membership would help in that department i'd imagine.

St. John's, Seton Hall, and Providence should do everything in their power to keep UConn out as they have the most to lose if they get back in. The Big East has been fine since the split. The American is also a good conference basketball wise, contrary to popular belief, they just don't have a good TV deal. That league seems to be growing though so that might change soon. Wiseman the top recruit in the country will be in the AAC next year. UConn's agenda has been to blame the conference for their struggles but thats a load of crap. Under Ollie they had the top recruits in the league and still couldn't get it done. They should focus on dominating that league and stop making excuses for themselves. Cincinnati has been great since leaving the Big East. Big East vs AAC would be interesting that should be the closest thing they get to being back in the league.
 
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[quote="Dan V" post=307693]Gonzaga shouldn't be an option thats just ridiculous they are way too far away. Dayton and Saint Louis are the most obvious choices.[/quote]

If they got a little creative -- two seven-team divisions or three five-team divisions -- you could do Gonzaga and St. Mary's. Even San Francisco now that they are showing signs of life. I'm sure the new home of the Warriors wouldn't mind a college tenant for a few dates a year. The key would be for those far west teams to only play once on the other side of the country every other year.

If we want to limit it to Catholic, the choices are:
[strike]Boston College[/strike]
Canisius College
University of Dayton
University of Detroit Mercy
Duquesne University
Fairfield University
Fordham University
Gonzaga University
College of the Holy Cross
University of the Incarnate Word
Iona College
La Salle University
Loyola University Chicago
Loyola University Maryland
Loyola Marymount University
Manhattan College
Marist College
Mount St. Mary's University
Niagara University
[strike]University of Notre Dame[/strike]
University of Portland
Sacred Heart University
St. Bonaventure University
St. Francis College
Saint Francis University
Saint Joseph's University
Saint Louis University
Saint Mary's College of California
Saint Peter's University
University of San Diego
University of San Francisco
Santa Clara University
Seattle University
Siena College

I hear Horace Greeley whispering in the background, unless we can find a school with a Butler-type profile. Davidson?
 
No to all of those schools
Davidson has been good because of McKillop
When he retires, they may very well be as bad as they used to be
Things are working fine just as they are
Leave well enough alone!!
 
Doesn’t have to be a Catholic school (not all in the Conference now are Catholic) although St. Louis and Gonzaga (logistic problems of course) would not be bad choices.
Other private schools off the top of my head that would not be bad are Dayton and Richmond.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=307712]Doesn’t have to be a Catholic school (not all in the Conference now are Catholic) although St. Louis and Gonzaga (logistic problems of course) would not be bad choices.
Other private schools off the top of my head that would not be bad are Dayton and Richmond.[/quote]


Why settle for schools that would "not be bad"
There's no point in expanding just for the sake of expanding
If no schools add value to the league, leave it alone!!
 
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