Asst coach discussion

[quote="kranmars" post=349853][quote="mjmaherjr" post=349848]When Monte finds out a fellow Paisan is on our bench this is his reaction with his season ticket renewal :) [attachment=936]just-when-i-thought-i-was-outthey-pull-me-back-in.jpg[/attachment][/quote]

Our best seasons were with coaches who had last names ending in a vowel. Carnesecca, Fraschilla (although he was only half Italian), and assistants like LoBalbo. ...[/quote]
And lets not forget Joe Lapchicko.
 
[quote="Moose" post=349871][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=349870]Question for the group - and I realize this question is possibly idiotic - but let's say we hire DeMeo, who seems great. We would then be going from a model where you had one 3rd assistant doing all of the recruiting, to a model where you have all 3 assistants (and the head coach) who do significant amount of recruiting. And again, I realize perhaps this is a good problem to have, but could there be issues with everyone tripping over themselves / fighting over "their" guys each year with only so many spots available? Again to be clear I MUCH prefer this potential issue to the broken Matt model, but curious whether this would be something to monitor. We saw with Slice that even two guys can't always co-exist. I'll hang up and listen.[/quote]

We had 2 guys tripping over themselves in Year 1. But their boss couldnt manage them. As long as the boss manages them there are no issues.

One would think the due diligence being paid is ensuring Van and TJ are talking to the candidates to ensure everyone is on the same page.[/quote]

This is what drove me nuts with people who wanted to criticize the last staff but exempt the head coach. The entire staff makeup and dynamic is the sole responsibility of the Head Coach. Period. Chris screwed that up very early and never fixed it and it was ENTIRELY his fault. And had multiple chances to make changes and only at the end when he was being forced because Matt left was he willing to do it.

My favorite is "But Matt stabbed people in the back..." "He tried to hold them hostage over LSU offer." OK and who hired Matt? Who kept him? Who surrounded the staff with people with ZERO college recruiting and coaching experience thus inflating Matt's value? Donald Trump?

What SJU should have wrt staff, assuming DeMeo is the 3rd guy, are 3 guys with deep experience recruiting and coaching the college game. Anyone one of which are comfortable recruiting on the road and being in gyms and living rooms of recruits.

Does that guarantee success? Of course not. But most of us were not looking for a guarantee but a staff who grinds and works hard.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=349875][quote="Moose" post=349871][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=349870]Question for the group - and I realize this question is possibly idiotic - but let's say we hire DeMeo, who seems great. We would then be going from a model where you had one 3rd assistant doing all of the recruiting, to a model where you have all 3 assistants (and the head coach) who do significant amount of recruiting. And again, I realize perhaps this is a good problem to have, but could there be issues with everyone tripping over themselves / fighting over "their" guys each year with only so many spots available? Again to be clear I MUCH prefer this potential issue to the broken Matt model, but curious whether this would be something to monitor. We saw with Slice that even two guys can't always co-exist. I'll hang up and listen.[/quote]

We had 2 guys tripping over themselves in Year 1. But their boss couldnt manage them. As long as the boss manages them there are no issues.

One would think the due diligence being paid is ensuring Van and TJ are talking to the candidates to ensure everyone is on the same page.[/quote]

This is what drove me nuts with people who wanted to criticize the last staff but exempt the head coach. The entire staff makeup and dynamic is the sole responsibility of the Head Coach. Period. Chris screwed that up very early and never fixed it and it was ENTIRELY his fault. And had multiple chances to make changes and only at the end when he was being forced because Matt left was he willing to do it.

My favorite is "But Matt stabbed people in the back..." "He tried to hold them hostage over LSU offer." OK and who hired Matt? Who kept him? Who surrounded the staff with people with ZERO college recruiting and coaching experience thus inflating Matt's value? Donald Trump?

What SJU should have wrt staff, assuming DeMeo is the 3rd guy, are 3 guys with deep experience recruiting and coaching the college game. Anyone one of which are comfortable recruiting on the road and being in gyms and living rooms of recruits.

Does that guarantee success? Of course not. But most of us were not looking for a guarantee but a staff who grinds and works hard.[/quote]

I totally agree Fordham
You are far more eloquent than me - I couldn't have said it better!!
 
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[quote="redken" post=349874][quote="kranmars" post=349853][quote="mjmaherjr" post=349848]When Monte finds out a fellow Paisan is on our bench this is his reaction with his season ticket renewal :) [attachment=936]just-when-i-thought-i-was-outthey-pull-me-back-in.jpg[/attachment][/quote]

Our best seasons were with coaches who had last names ending in a vowel. Carnesecca, Fraschilla (although he was only half Italian), and assistants like LoBalbo. ...[/quote]
And lets not forget Joe Lapchicko.[/quote]

there's no "k" in the Italian alphabet ;)
 
[quote="Moose" post=349871][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=349870]Question for the group - and I realize this question is possibly idiotic - but let's say we hire DeMeo, who seems great. We would then be going from a model where you had one 3rd assistant doing all of the recruiting, to a model where you have all 3 assistants (and the head coach) who do significant amount of recruiting. And again, I realize perhaps this is a good problem to have, but could there be issues with everyone tripping over themselves / fighting over "their" guys each year with only so many spots available? Again to be clear I MUCH prefer this potential issue to the broken Matt model, but curious whether this would be something to monitor. We saw with Slice that even two guys can't always co-exist. I'll hang up and listen.[/quote]

We had 2 guys tripping over themselves in Year 1. But their boss couldnt manage them. As long as the boss manages them there are no issues.

One would think the due diligence being paid is ensuring Van and TJ are talking to the candidates to ensure everyone is on the same page.[/quote]

To add, this is the model MA has used successfully at his previous stops. From all I can gleam, his staff works together, not in competition with each other.
 
[quote="Logen" post=349879][quote="Moose" post=349871][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=349870]Question for the group - and I realize this question is possibly idiotic - but let's say we hire DeMeo, who seems great. We would then be going from a model where you had one 3rd assistant doing all of the recruiting, to a model where you have all 3 assistants (and the head coach) who do significant amount of recruiting. And again, I realize perhaps this is a good problem to have, but could there be issues with everyone tripping over themselves / fighting over "their" guys each year with only so many spots available? Again to be clear I MUCH prefer this potential issue to the broken Matt model, but curious whether this would be something to monitor. We saw with Slice that even two guys can't always co-exist. I'll hang up and listen.[/quote]

We had 2 guys tripping over themselves in Year 1. But their boss couldnt manage them. As long as the boss manages them there are no issues.

One would think the due diligence being paid is ensuring Van and TJ are talking to the candidates to ensure everyone is on the same page.[/quote]

To add, this is the model MA has used successfully at his previous stops. From all I can gleam, his staff works together, not in competition with each other.[/quote]

From all indications MA runs a tight ship - careful and thorough process of seeking input, vetting and feeling into candidates before hiring staff, lockdown on loose lips during staffing and recruiting process, family approach and professionalism all around - so it makes a lot of sense that MA will also do a good job of communicating, coordinating and leading the excellent staff he's putting in place. He's all about having a coherent team and getting results. I don't think staff will be tripping over each other or competing to the program's detriment ... and if they are, it will be fixed or they'll be gone.
 
Logen said it well.
As I recall hearing from either Making Plays or Big Red, the word was that CMA and staff coordinated recruiting ‘together’, ‘tag-teaming’, dunno, but the ‘take-away’ was that each coach ‘participated’ in building the relationship with top recruits and their families and handlers.
Seems very workable and also seems to reduce intra-Staff rivalries.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=349886]Logen said it well.
As I recall hearing from either Making Plays or Big Red, the word was that CMA and staff coordinated recruiting ‘together’, ‘tag-teaming’, dunno, but the ‘take-away’ was that each coach ‘participated’ in building the relationship with top recruits and their families and handlers.
Seems very workable and also seems to reduce intra-Staff rivalries.[/quote]

At Arkansas I was told from an insider the way recruiting worked there was only CMA and Coach Watkins (Associate Head Coach) were the only ones able to give a "commitable offer". If either of the assistant wanted to offer someone they had to get the go ahead from one of them first. I can remember one situation where Scotty Thurman was heavily recruiting a kid for a while with no offer, then we heard about Watkins going to watch him play along with Thurman, then the kid got an offer that day.

So, it's probably likely CMA keeps the same philosophy here, meaning the assistants will go out and recruit kids and possibly even hear reports of them being offered, but when everything is said and done CMA and TJ will have the final say on if the kid has a committable offer or not.
 
[quote="stjohnschris" post=349878][quote="redken" post=349874][quote="kranmars" post=349853][quote="mjmaherjr" post=349848]When Monte finds out a fellow Paisan is on our bench this is his reaction with his season ticket renewal :) [attachment=936]just-when-i-thought-i-was-outthey-pull-me-back-in.jpg[/attachment][/quote]

Our best seasons were with coaches who had last names ending in a vowel. Carnesecca, Fraschilla (although he was only half Italian), and assistants like LoBalbo. ...[/quote]
And lets not forget Joe Lapchicko.[/quote]

there's no "k" in the Italian alphabet ;)[/quote]

Giuseppe (Amerigo) Lapchiccio
:)
 
[quote="Moose" post=349871][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=349870]Question for the group - and I realize this question is possibly idiotic - but let's say we hire DeMeo, who seems great. We would then be going from a model where you had one 3rd assistant doing all of the recruiting, to a model where you have all 3 assistants (and the head coach) who do significant amount of recruiting. And again, I realize perhaps this is a good problem to have, but could there be issues with everyone tripping over themselves / fighting over "their" guys each year with only so many spots available? Again to be clear I MUCH prefer this potential issue to the broken Matt model, but curious whether this would be something to monitor. We saw with Slice that even two guys can't always co-exist. I'll hang up and listen.[/quote]

We had 2 guys tripping over themselves in Year 1. But their boss couldnt manage them. As long as the boss manages them there are no issues.

One would think the due diligence being paid is ensuring Van and TJ are talking to the candidates to ensure everyone is on the same page.[/quote]

Thanks Moose.
Mike Anderson will not allow anyone to trip over anyone else.
He is a proven commodity as a head coach.
He knows how to run the show.
We are fortunate.
:)
 
Zach B
Former Hofstra, Iona and Providence assistant coach Steve Demeo has interviewed with St. John's coach Mike Anderson for final assistant spot. There has been consistent dialogue between the two. Demeo went to Queens powerhouse Cardozo and has tons of local connections. #

Was told there is momentum for Steve Demeo to get the last assistant spot at St. John's. But it is not done yet. Would complete a very experienced staff
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=349899]Zach B
Former Hofstra, Iona and Providence assistant coach Steve Demeo has interviewed with St. John's coach Mike Anderson for final assistant spot. There has been consistent dialogue between the two. Demeo went to Queens powerhouse Cardozo and has tons of local connections. #

Was told there is momentum for Steve Demeo to get the last assistant spot at St. John's. But it is not done yet. Would complete a very experienced staff[/quote]


Please pull the trigger, CMA
You won't be disappointed!!!
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=349900][quote="Paultzman" post=349899]Zach B
Former Hofstra, Iona and Providence assistant coach Steve Demeo has interviewed with St. John's coach Mike Anderson for final assistant spot. There has been consistent dialogue between the two. Demeo went to Queens powerhouse Cardozo and has tons of local connections. #

Was told there is momentum for Steve Demeo to get the last assistant spot at St. John's. But it is not done yet. Would complete a very experienced staff[/quote]


Please pull the trigger, CMA
You won't be disappointed!!![/quote]

I suspect Fordham is correct about no announcement until after BE meetings this weekend.
 
[quote="usguard" post=349890]Many times each recruiters have
a diff player so tripping over no[/quote]

Translation please.
 
[quote="Section9" post=349920][quote="usguard" post=349890]Many times each recruiters have
a diff player so tripping over no[/quote]

Translation please.[/quote]

Holy cofeve. He's either at happy hour or just messing with us.
 
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