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[Andrew]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

Building a program? Going to challenge those words with one question. If they don't dance this year does he live to see next season?

Going to answer that question with one word, yes. I think the question is moot because I believe they will make the tournament rather easily; we shall see. But the improvement in the team is obvious and not going unnoticed.

If he makes it I agree. But this time last year things looked good too. I don't know enough about their recruiting but I'd be shocked if Whitehead and Delgado are back next year.

Reason I pushed on building a program was to me having a year hinge on the dance like this year isn't building to me because God forbid they don't that would be an issue and the program wouldn't be built to me.

Agree about Whitehead, not so much with Delgado - IMO he is a great college player defensively and rebounding; decent offensive player. But he is undersized for the league and the NBA rules have created a game that is not very low post oriented. As for recruiting, they have a boatload of sophomores and are in the mix for some good players. They have a very promising freshman in Singh who can really shoot. But why I say he is building a program is because of the Rodriguez and Carrington type players which fit the way Willard wants to play, pressure defense that wears teams down. With the freshman from last year becoming sophomores you can see that brand of basketball becoming their style. I realize it was only one game but they seriously imposed their will on Marquette in the 2nd half.

As well as Wichita State recently.

 

[Moose]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

Building a program? Going to challenge those words with one question. If they don't dance this year does he live to see next season?

Going to answer that question with one word, yes. I think the question is moot because I believe they will make the tournament rather easily; we shall see. But the improvement in the team is obvious and not going unnoticed.

If he makes it I agree. But this time last year things looked good too. I don't know enough about their recruiting but I'd be shocked if Whitehead and Delgado are back next year.

Reason I pushed on building a program was to me having a year hinge on the dance like this year isn't building to me because God forbid they don't that would be an issue and the program wouldn't be built to me.

Agree about Whitehead, not so much with Delgado - IMO he is a great college player defensively and rebounding; decent offensive player. But he is undersized for the league and the NBA rules have created a game that is not very low post oriented. As for recruiting, they have a boatload of sophomores and are in the mix for some good players. They have a very promising freshman in Singh who can really shoot. But why I say he is building a program is because of the Rodriguez and Carrington type players which fit the way Willard wants to play, pressure defense that wears teams down. With the freshman from last year becoming sophomores you can see that brand of basketball becoming their style. I realize it was only one game but they seriously imposed their will on Marquette in the 2nd half.

I just think Delagdo is one of those guys who has his eyes on next level and like you said shouldn't quite yet. Desi has surprised me with his play. And anytime you beat a conference team on the road by 20 it's impressive.

Who do they have coming in because depth is issue there right now. Really only run out 7 and Wilson doesn't give much on offense

 

[logen]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

Building a program? Going to challenge those words with one question. If they don't dance this year does he live to see next season?

Going to answer that question with one word, yes. I think the question is moot because I believe they will make the tournament rather easily; we shall see. But the improvement in the team is obvious and not going unnoticed.

If he makes it I agree. But this time last year things looked good too. I don't know enough about their recruiting but I'd be shocked if Whitehead and Delgado are back next year.

Reason I pushed on building a program was to me having a year hinge on the dance like this year isn't building to me because God forbid they don't that would be an issue and the program wouldn't be built to me.

Agree about Whitehead, not so much with Delgado - IMO he is a great college player defensively and rebounding; decent offensive player. But he is undersized for the league and the NBA rules have created a game that is not very low post oriented. As for recruiting, they have a boatload of sophomores and are in the mix for some good players. They have a very promising freshman in Singh who can really shoot. But why I say he is building a program is because of the Rodriguez and Carrington type players which fit the way Willard wants to play, pressure defense that wears teams down. With the freshman from last year becoming sophomores you can see that brand of basketball becoming their style. I realize it was only one game but they seriously imposed their will on Marquette in the 2nd half.

I just think Delagdo is one of those guys who has his eyes on next level and like you said shouldn't quite yet. Desi has surprised me with his play. And anytime you beat a conference team on the road by 20 it's impressive.

Who do they have coming in because depth is issue there right now. Really only run out 7 and Wilson doesn't give much on offense

I agree Marquette is far from a great team but they are good so I wasn't surprised the Hall won as much as the way they won. As for Marquette, if Ellenson goes pro after this year, has he really helped the program? I understand it gets them some positive publicity etc. but unless they have something in the pipeline they take a serious step back if he goes.

 

[Moose]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

Building a program? Going to challenge those words with one question. If they don't dance this year does he live to see next season?

Going to answer that question with one word, yes. I think the question is moot because I believe they will make the tournament rather easily; we shall see. But the improvement in the team is obvious and not going unnoticed.

If he makes it I agree. But this time last year things looked good too. I don't know enough about their recruiting but I'd be shocked if Whitehead and Delgado are back next year.

Reason I pushed on building a program was to me having a year hinge on the dance like this year isn't building to me because God forbid they don't that would be an issue and the program wouldn't be built to me.

Agree about Whitehead, not so much with Delgado - IMO he is a great college player defensively and rebounding; decent offensive player. But he is undersized for the league and the NBA rules have created a game that is not very low post oriented. As for recruiting, they have a boatload of sophomores and are in the mix for some good players. They have a very promising freshman in Singh who can really shoot. But why I say he is building a program is because of the Rodriguez and Carrington type players which fit the way Willard wants to play, pressure defense that wears teams down. With the freshman from last year becoming sophomores you can see that brand of basketball becoming their style. I realize it was only one game but they seriously imposed their will on Marquette in the 2nd half.

I just think Delagdo is one of those guys who has his eyes on next level and like you said shouldn't quite yet. Desi has surprised me with his play. And anytime you beat a conference team on the road by 20 it's impressive.

Who do they have coming in because depth is issue there right now. Really only run out 7 and Wilson doesn't give much on offense

I agree Marquette is far from a great team but they are good so I wasn't surprised the Hall won as much as the way they won. As for Marquette, if Ellenson goes pro after this year, has he really helped the program? I understand it gets them some positive publicity etc. but unless they have something in the pipeline they take a serious step back if he goes.

Agree about Ellenson. I don't know again what MQ has coming in. I only really follow SJU recruiting nowadays. 1 and dones are fine when they are added to a nucleus. MQ doesn't have that.

 

[MJDinkins]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

RIGHT NOW, Seton Hall is "very good team," in your opinion. In my opinion, they are playing well, but I don't believe they are a very good team. Any team can also continue to ascend north for a myriad of reasons. See how that works?

I don't care about Marquette winning 9 games in a row. The same way you're not impressed with Villanova is the same way I'm not impressed with Marquette. Their winning 9 consecutive games doesn't impress me. They've beaten two "name" teams in their run, in LSU and Wisconsin (both games coming down to the wire). Most folks know both programs look to be down this season. Their other 7 wins were against "Sisters of the Poor." Not impressed.

The "building a program" adage could be used for almost any coach. I'm not gonna throw that saying around like you seem to do. I haven't seen anything to make me believe Willard is building a program. Again, that's your opinion. Nothing substantive to where I can personally see it.

 

[Andrew]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

RIGHT NOW, Seton Hall is "very good team," in your opinion. In my opinion, they are playing well, but I don't believe they are a very good team. Any team can also continue to ascend north for a myriad of reasons. See how that works?

I don't care about Marquette winning 9 games in a row. The same way you're not impressed with Villanova is the same way I'm not impressed with Marquette. Their winning 9 consecutive games doesn't impress me. They've beaten two "name" teams in their run, in LSU and Wisconsin (both games coming down to the wire). Most folks know both programs look to be down this season. Their other 7 wins were against "Sisters of the Poor." Not impressed.

The "building a program" adage could be used for almost any coach. I'm not gonna throw that saying around like you seem to do. I haven't seen anything to make me believe Willard is building a program. Again, that's your opinion. Nothing substantive to where I can personally see it.

You need to be a very good team to beat Wichita State now that they are healthy.

 

[MJDinkins]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

RIGHT NOW, Seton Hall is "very good team," in your opinion. In my opinion, they are playing well, but I don't believe they are a very good team. Any team can also continue to ascend north for a myriad of reasons. See how that works?

I don't care about Marquette winning 9 games in a row. The same way you're not impressed with Villanova is the same way I'm not impressed with Marquette. Their winning 9 consecutive games doesn't impress me. They've beaten two "name" teams in their run, in LSU and Wisconsin (both games coming down to the wire). Most folks know both programs look to be down this season. Their other 7 wins were against "Sisters of the Poor." Not impressed.

The "building a program" adage could be used for almost any coach. I'm not gonna throw that saying around like you seem to do. I haven't seen anything to make me believe Willard is building a program. Again, that's your opinion. Nothing substantive to where I can personally see it.

You need to be a very good team to beat Wichita State now that they are healthy.

BS and a fallacy! How long have you been watching sports?

If this current St. John's team beats one of the top 3 teams in the Big East does that mean St. John's is a "very good team?" That is in essence of what you're saying. That scenario has happened a ton of times in sports.

 

[Andrew]

40 years. You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right.

 

[MJDinkins]

40 years. You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right.

Don't place your insecurities on me. I never said, I was right. I said, it was my opinion (similarly, to saying it's y'alls opinion, as well). An opinion that also played out a season ago, in regards to Seton Hall. Maybe, you can stop speaking in absolutes and making poor attempts to prove a point (aka fallacies).

I asked a legit question, and the best you can come back with is "You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right." Thank you for proving my point.

Let's allow the season to play out.

 

[Andrew]

40 years. You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right.

Don't place your insecurities on me. I never said, I was right. I said, it was my opinion (similarly, to saying it's y'alls opinion, as well). An opinion that also played out a season ago, in regards to Seton Hall. Maybe, you can stop speaking in absolutes and making poor attempts to prove a point (aka fallacies).

Let's allow the season to play out.

Your insecurities are your psychobabble. Agree to let the season play out.

 

[MJDinkins]

40 years. You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right.

Don't place your insecurities on me. I never said, I was right. I said, it was my opinion (similarly, to saying it's y'alls opinion, as well). An opinion that also played out a season ago, in regards to Seton Hall. Maybe, you can stop speaking in absolutes and making poor attempts to prove a point (aka fallacies).

Let's allow the season to play out.

Your insecurities are your psychobabble. Agree to let the season play out.

LOL Far from it, loopy one. Come better than that after being schooled.

 

[Andrew]

40 years. You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right.

Don't place your insecurities on me. I never said, I was right. I said, it was my opinion (similarly, to saying it's y'alls opinion, as well). An opinion that also played out a season ago, in regards to Seton Hall. Maybe, you can stop speaking in absolutes and making poor attempts to prove a point (aka fallacies).

Let's allow the season to play out.

Your insecurities are your psychobabble. Agree to let the season play out.

LOL Far from it, loopy one. Come better than that after being schooled.

Schooled? This isn't the playground and I was being kind.

 

[MJDinkins]

40 years. You are always right about everything. So your evaluation of Seton Hall must be right.

Don't place your insecurities on me. I never said, I was right. I said, it was my opinion (similarly, to saying it's y'alls opinion, as well). An opinion that also played out a season ago, in regards to Seton Hall. Maybe, you can stop speaking in absolutes and making poor attempts to prove a point (aka fallacies).

Let's allow the season to play out.

Your insecurities are your psychobabble. Agree to let the season play out.

LOL Far from it, loopy one. Come better than that after being schooled.

I was being kind.

So, was I.

 

[Jack Williams]

I also think we need to see more from seton hall before we say with confidence they will make the tournament. I hope they do.

Bottom line is, as well as things are going for them now, some adversity could hit, a few straight losses, and we don't know how they respond. They didn't respond well to adversity last year we know that

 

[logen]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

RIGHT NOW, Seton Hall is "very good team," in your opinion. In my opinion, they are playing well, but I don't believe they are a very good team. Any team can also continue to ascend north for a myriad of reasons. See how that works?

I don't care about Marquette winning 9 games in a row. The same way you're not impressed with Villanova is the same way I'm not impressed with Marquette. Their winning 9 consecutive games doesn't impress me. They've beaten two "name" teams in their run, in LSU and Wisconsin (both games coming down to the wire). Most folks know both programs look to be down this season. Their other 7 wins were against "Sisters of the Poor." Not impressed.

The "building a program" adage could be used for almost any coach. I'm not gonna throw that saying around like you seem to do. I haven't seen anything to make me believe Willard is building a program. Again, that's your opinion. Nothing substantive to where I can personally see it.

You haven't seen anything mostly because you don' know what you're looking at

 

[MJDinkins]

All this sounds familiar to last season. Too early, IMO, to "crown" Seton Hall.

Maybe, Seton Hall is legit. Or, maybe, Marquette is an average bunch or isn't that good. Personally, I'm not sold on Marquette. Maybe, they show me differently, as the season goes on.

Let's see how all this plays out before the quick-triggered prognostications.

Any team can go south for a myriad of reasons but RIGHT NOW, SHU is a very good team; they are winning the right way, legitimate consistent effort, playing together, very good defense, and unselfish offense. Marquette had won 9 in a row, were home and the Hall dismantled them in the 2nd half with a stifling defense led by Delgado, who as Paultz posted is a beast. Like him or not Willard is building a program there.

RIGHT NOW, Seton Hall is "very good team," in your opinion. In my opinion, they are playing well, but I don't believe they are a very good team. Any team can also continue to ascend north for a myriad of reasons. See how that works?

I don't care about Marquette winning 9 games in a row. The same way you're not impressed with Villanova is the same way I'm not impressed with Marquette. Their winning 9 consecutive games doesn't impress me. They've beaten two "name" teams in their run, in LSU and Wisconsin (both games coming down to the wire). Most folks know both programs look to be down this season. Their other 7 wins were against "Sisters of the Poor." Not impressed.

The "building a program" adage could be used for almost any coach. I'm not gonna throw that saying around like you seem to do. I haven't seen anything to make me believe Willard is building a program. Again, that's your opinion. Nothing substantive to where I can personally see it.

You haven't seen anything mostly because you don' know what you're looking at

So says, the bitch arse dude who posted a whiny, verbose, high school'ish manifesto about leaving the board because he couldn't handle the heat, only to reemerge with the same bull crap he spewed previously.

Stay in your lane, punk.

 

[Jack Williams]

I don't know what's worse. The turn this thread has taken or the fact we have to play this Kris Dunn dude in a few days

 

[salty dog]

I don't know what's worse. The turn this thread has taken or the fact we have to play this Kris Dunn dude in a few days

Kris Dunn in a few days. As far as the former it appears Logen likes Willard a whole lot more than Lavin.

 

[salty dog]

Nova destroys Xavier and as usual Wright takes advantage of other Big East teams and coaches. it's when he gets out of the league without the familiarity that he runs into problems

 

[paultzman]

Gary Parrish;
Providence just won at Butler. Friars are 13-1 with wins over Arizona/Butler. Lone loss to Mich State. Ed Cooley is a legit COY candidate.