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Great piece on PC's Ben Bentil, who I believe is already a top 5 kid in Big East. He only starting playing hoops at 15 & more importantly has the work ethic & commitment to succeed. Hopefully our freshmen can adopt the same attitude & come back next year much improved;

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...l-breaks-out-at-providence-after-long-journey

Very impressive. Didn't know he attended to St. Andrew's -- a classic blue-blood boarding school that prepares students for Ivy League-level colleges, and a total 180 from those bogus "prep schools" that crank out academically ill-prepared kids hoping to take their game to the next level. Says a lot about the kid, especially given his background and his life's journey to date.
 
Great piece on PC's Ben Bentil, who I believe is already a top 5 kid in Big East. He only starting playing hoops at 15 & more importantly has the work ethic & commitment to succeed. Hopefully our freshmen can adopt the same attitude & come back next year much improved;

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...l-breaks-out-at-providence-after-long-journey

To answer the obvious question, how Providence recruits that well, in 2014, they averaged 8300 per game. That's nearly 20% higher than SJU in the same period, without the benefit of MSG games with some of our opponents that bring in crowds.

I'd rather beat them, but it's nice to see the Big East be competitive top to St. J- err, bottom.

That's probably not why they recruited well
 
Georgetown in a must win vs DePaul. On RPI Wizard their expected forecast is 90 (15-16 record). They should finish top 50 with 19 wins. Currently have 9 wins so would need to finish out the year 10-6. It's doable but schedule is about to get a lot harder. Up on DePaul by 3 second half.

Xavier and Nova still #1 and #2 in RPI.

Providence #19. Butler #35. SHU #38.

Then Marquette and Georgetown at 87 and 88.

(...SJU at 181)

Right now we have a clear top 5. Georgetown and Marquette still have time to make a run, however.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and should win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and shoutld win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

You want GT in, but suspect my friend Dink doesn't. :)
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and should win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

DePaul stinks, and the mid-major teams Georgetown lost to in their OOC are probably better than DePaul. I'm not a fan of DePaul's guards outside of Garrett, Jr. Those mid-major squads guards ate Georgetown alive. Basically, their defense looks or seems better is based on the opposition, more so than what Georgetown is actually doing, IMO.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

Yeah, they're going to go to 3-1 in the league with this win, but they've already played DePaul twice, and next game is against us (plus the loss was to Creighton, who's probably 8th best in the league). It's going to be rough sledding the rest of the way, for them.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and shoutld win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

You want GT in, but suspect my friend Dink doesn't. :)

;) Hehehehe!

Frankly, I don't give a crap who gets in, unless it's the Johnnies.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and should win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

DePaul stinks, and the mid-major teams Georgetown lost to in their OOC are probably better than DePaul. I'm not a fan of DePaul's guards outside of Garrett, Jr. Those mid-major squads guards ate Georgetown alive. Basically, their defense looks or seems better is based on the opposition, more so than what Georgetown is actually doing, IMO.

What I meant is their style of defense. They're pressuring/ trapping DePaul and causing turnovers. This is what you do in a close game vs a bad opponent. Had Georgetown done this during the double overtime loss to Radford they would be in a much better position.

In that game they waited until the end of regulation and the end of the first overtime to start trapping and they forced TOs INSTANTLY. However, for whatever reason they stopped doing that at the beginning of each of the OTs and Radford eventually won. One of the biggest throwaway games of the year- the formula to win was so simple and was implemented only during the closing minute of regulation, OT1, OT2....

Syracuse should've done the same vs us.
 
Georgetown in a must win vs DePaul. On RPI Wizard their expected forecast is 90 (15-16 record). They should finish top 50 with 19 wins. Currently have 9 wins so would need to finish out the year 10-6. It's doable but schedule is about to get a lot harder. Up on DePaul by 3 second half.

Xavier and Nova still #1 and #2 in RPI.

Providence #19. Butler #35. SHU #38.

Then Marquette and Georgetown at 87 and 88.

(...SJU at 181)

Right now we have a clear top 5. Georgetown and Marquette still have time to make a run, however.

SHU will be with Marquette and Gtown soon enough. Let's remember last year they were 13-3 on Jan 10 with a much better resume including 2 wins against top 15 teams and we all remember what happened once they got hit in the mouth once. After Creighton they have the top teams over the next week and an half. Let's see if they are really more composed than last year coming out of those three. At least this year no one on the team seems to hate any one else . . . outwardly.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and should win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

DePaul stinks, and the mid-major teams Georgetown lost to in their OOC are probably better than DePaul. I'm not a fan of DePaul's guards outside of Garrett, Jr. Those mid-major squads guards ate Georgetown alive. Basically, their defense looks or seems better is based on the opposition, more so than what Georgetown is actually doing, IMO.

What I meant is their style of defense. They're pressuring/ trapping DePaul and causing turnovers. This is what you do in a close game vs a bad opponent. Had Georgetown done this during double overtime loss to Radford they wouldn't be in this mess.

In that game they waited until the end of regulation and the end of the first overtime to start trapping and they forced TOs INSTANTLY. However, for whatever reason they stopped doing that at the end of each of the regulations and Radford eventually won. One of the biggest throwaway games of the year- the formula to win was to simple and was implemented only during the closing minute of regulation, OT1, OT2....

Syracuse should've done the same vs us.

Again, they were doing the same thing the other night against Creighton, and Creighton's point guard (Watson) ate Georgetown for dinner. Depaul sucks, man! So, their defense seems to look better today. The mid-major guards and Creighton's guard ate 'em up. The Monmouth guards were toying with 'em, IMO.

So, their style of defense isn't effective against all teams. They may can attempt it in spurts and segments, but it'll get them sliced and diced against better guards and/or better teams. I'll await your last word.
 
Georgetown in a must win vs DePaul. On RPI Wizard their expected forecast is 90 (15-16 record). They should finish top 50 with 19 wins. Currently have 9 wins so would need to finish out the year 10-6. It's doable but schedule is about to get a lot harder. Up on DePaul by 3 second half.

Xavier and Nova still #1 and #2 in RPI.

Providence #19. Butler #35. SHU #38.

Then Marquette and Georgetown at 87 and 88.

(...SJU at 181)

Right now we have a clear top 5. Georgetown and Marquette still have time to make a run, however.

SHU will be with Marquette and Gtown soon enough. Let's remember last year they were 13-3 on Jan 10 with a much better resume including 2 wins against top 15 teams and we all remember what happened once they got hit in the mouth once. After Creighton they have the top teams over the next week and an half. Let's see if they are really more composed than last year coming out of those three. At least this year no one on the team seems to hate any one else . . . outwardly.

I'm not yet sold on Seton Hall, either. But, maybe I don't know what I'm viewing. ;)
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and should win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

DePaul stinks, and the mid-major teams Georgetown lost to in their OOC are probably better than DePaul. I'm not a fan of DePaul's guards outside of Garrett, Jr. Those mid-major squads guards ate Georgetown alive. Basically, their defense looks or seems better is based on the opposition, more so than what Georgetown is actually doing, IMO.

What I meant is their style of defense. They're pressuring/ trapping DePaul and causing turnovers. This is what you do in a close game vs a bad opponent. Had Georgetown done this during double overtime loss to Radford they wouldn't be in this mess.

In that game they waited until the end of regulation and the end of the first overtime to start trapping and they forced TOs INSTANTLY. However, for whatever reason they stopped doing that at the end of each of the regulations and Radford eventually won. One of the biggest throwaway games of the year- the formula to win was to simple and was implemented only during the closing minute of regulation, OT1, OT2....

Syracuse should've done the same vs us.

Again, they were doing the same thing the other night against Creighton, and Creighton's point guard (Watson) ate Georgetown for dinner. Depaul sucks, man! So, their defense seems to look better today. The mid-major guards and Creighton's guard ate 'em up. The Monmouth guards were toying with 'em, IMO.

So, their style of defense isn't effective against all teams. They may can attempt it in spurts and segments, but it'll get them sliced and diced against better guards and/or better teams. I'll await your last word.

Lol why are you being so defensive? Do you hate Georgetown I'm assuming? Fine if you do but I like all Big East teams and want to see them doing well.

Georgetown is clearly not a great team, however they are not as bad as their losses and would be in a better position had they played with more heart and effort against the cupcakes. I think their program is a mess because they should be way better than their record with the amount of talent they have. If you've seen my other posts on here I'm a fan but a critical fan. I want JT3 gone. I do think its a good sign they're playing with more intensity, however ultimately I don't expect them to make it since it's getting late in the season.
 
Georgetown in a must win vs DePaul. On RPI Wizard their expected forecast is 90 (15-16 record). They should finish top 50 with 19 wins. Currently have 9 wins so would need to finish out the year 10-6. It's doable but schedule is about to get a lot harder. Up on DePaul by 3 second half.

Xavier and Nova still #1 and #2 in RPI.

Providence #19. Butler #35. SHU #38.

Then Marquette and Georgetown at 87 and 88.

(...SJU at 181)

Right now we have a clear top 5. Georgetown and Marquette still have time to make a run, however.

SHU will be with Marquette and Gtown soon enough. Let's remember last year they were 13-3 on Jan 10 with a much better resume including 2 wins against top 15 teams and we all remember what happened once they got hit in the mouth once. After Creighton they have the top teams over the next week and an half. Let's see if they are really more composed than last year coming out of those three. At least this year no one on the team seems to hate any one else . . . outwardly.

With how they played the end of last year I'm not completely sold on them either. However, as of today they're 50 spots ahead of the number 6 team so until the slide begins they're #5 and right side of the bubble.

It's possible we'll only have 4 tournament teams, though they'd all be top seeds.
 
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Georgetown will finish the Big East season at 8-10 or 9-9, IMO. They stunk it up in non-conference play, so I see 'em on the outside looking in.

I don't disagree. I want them in but I don't see it happening. They're playing better defense against DePaul right now and should win. Had they played this way OOC they wouldn't be in a hole right now.

DePaul stinks, and the mid-major teams Georgetown lost to in their OOC are probably better than DePaul. I'm not a fan of DePaul's guards outside of Garrett, Jr. Those mid-major squads guards ate Georgetown alive. Basically, their defense looks or seems better is based on the opposition, more so than what Georgetown is actually doing, IMO.

What I meant is their style of defense. They're pressuring/ trapping DePaul and causing turnovers. This is what you do in a close game vs a bad opponent. Had Georgetown done this during double overtime loss to Radford they wouldn't be in this mess.

In that game they waited until the end of regulation and the end of the first overtime to start trapping and they forced TOs INSTANTLY. However, for whatever reason they stopped doing that at the end of each of the regulations and Radford eventually won. One of the biggest throwaway games of the year- the formula to win was to simple and was implemented only during the closing minute of regulation, OT1, OT2....

Syracuse should've done the same vs us.

Again, they were doing the same thing the other night against Creighton, and Creighton's point guard (Watson) ate Georgetown for dinner. Depaul sucks, man! So, their defense seems to look better today. The mid-major guards and Creighton's guard ate 'em up. The Monmouth guards were toying with 'em, IMO.

So, their style of defense isn't effective against all teams. They may can attempt it in spurts and segments, but it'll get them sliced and diced against better guards and/or better teams. I'll await your last word.

Lol why are you being so defensive? Do you hate Georgetown I'm assuming? Fine if you do but I like all Big East teams and want to see them doing well.

Georgetown is clearly not a great team, however they are not as bad as their losses and would be in a better position had they played with more heart and effort against the cupcakes. I think their program is a mess because they should be way better than their record with the amount of talent they have. If you've seen my other posts on here I'm a fan but a critical fan. I want JT3 gone. I do think its a good sign they're playing with more intensity, however ultimately I don't expect them to make it since it's getting late in the season.

Being defensive? Yeah, right. I know who I'm dealing with, but whatever.

Nevertheless, I don't like Georgetown. But, I have no problems giving props when warranted. You're also entitled to root for all Big East teams. I never said you couldn't or shouldn't do so. So, who's the defensive one? I digress.

Frankly, I don't care what the powers that be does to JT3. That's their problem. I only care what St. John's does when it comes to coaching and personnel moves. I seriously doubt JT3 is removed from his position at any point soon, as his dad is still very, much involved in the program.

In regards to the original topic.... Today's game isn't a clear or true representation of their defense due to the opposition. A few days ago, Creighton's point guard carved up their defense like a Ginsu knife. The mid-major guards also had their way with 'em for the most part. That's based on observation from several games, and not on one game against a crappy, DePaul team. That's what I'm attempting to get through your head. It was more what DePaul didn't bring to the table, more so than what Georgetown brought to the table.

Many times, certain moves can be effective against a poor product.
 
Being defensive? Yeah, right. I know who I'm dealing with, but whatever.

Nevertheless, I don't like Georgetown. But, I have no problems giving props when warranted. You're also entitled to root for all Big East teams. I never said you couldn't or shouldn't do so. So, who's the defensive one? I digress.

Frankly, I don't care what the powers that be does to JT3. That's their problem. I only care what St. John's does when it comes to coaching and personnel moves. I seriously doubt JT3 is removed from his position at any point soon, as his dad is still very, much involved in the program.

In regards to the original topic.... Today's game isn't a clear or true representation of their defense due to the opposition. A few days ago, Creighton's point guard carved up their defense like a Ginsu knife. The mid-major guards also had their way with 'em for the most part. That's based on observation from several games, and not on one game against a crappy, DePaul team. That's what I'm attempting to get through your head. It was more what DePaul didn't bring to the table, more so than what Georgetown brought to the table.

Relax man it's a message board and I didn't do anything besides (slightly) defend Georgetown.

You're acting like I made a thread promoting Syracuse. Chill out and be happy we're playing well today. :)
 
Gary Parrish;
Providence just won at Butler. Friars are 13-1 with wins over Arizona/Butler. Lone loss to Mich State. Ed Cooley is a legit COY candidate.

List of bad coaches in this league would be wicked short.
wojaheskee would be my only lock.

Hes still my only lock.
 
FINAL: Creighton 82, Seton Hall 67. Jays dominated final 28 min. Willard big statement by benching Whitehead, Delgado. Boos at final whistle
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