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logen said:
Unfortunately, the BE has pretty much non-actioned themselves into nothing but awful choices. When BOTE was posting about how the BE was going to make the committee change their selection process, I asked a simple question, what was their leverage to force those changes; no answer understandably because the BE has no leverage. One could argue UConn is all that is keeping the conference above water.
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Bad argument!
 
logen said:
Maybe I would take the reply seriously if you bothered to tell me why! Please include where you feel the BE has ANY negotiating angles vis a vis the football conferences
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The football conferences are inevitably headed towards doing their own thing as they have been for years. It's just accelerating as it gets closer to the end game.

The key question is to what extent basketball can be kept out of the gravitational force of the football endgame.

The NCAA basketball tournament is worth about $1 billion as I understand it. Most people understand that the participation of a wide range of schools is a key element of producing that value.

There is no question that the football conferences are going to try to grab a larger piece of that pie.

The nuclear option is they have their own basketball tournament and everyone year is basically in the NIT. I don't think that happens because aside from a few hard core jackasses like Sankey I think most understand the value comes from the breadth of participation and the Cinderella stories and possibilities.

The next option is they try to include more of their teams, which is obviously already happening. If it stays at 68 and they add bids at the expense of quality non football schools, that's a problem for the Big East and others.

If the tournament expands so they get more teams but the Big East still gets in the teams that it should, then it will play out on the court and I'm fine with that. The key there is to try to avoid the football school plan to disadvantage the non football schools with play in games.

There's no question that's what the SEC wants to do but I think the other football conferences have a wider lens and while the outcome won't be great, it won't be worst case scenario either.

Obviously not happy with any of it but this is the world we live in now.
 
lawmanfan said:
The football conferences are inevitably headed towards doing their own thing as they have been for years. It's just accelerating as it gets closer to the end game.

The key question is to what extent basketball can be kept out of the gravitational force of the football endgame.

The NCAA basketball tournament is worth about $1 billion as I understand it. Most people understand that the participation of a wide range of schools is a key element of producing that value.

There is no question that the football conferences are going to try to grab a larger piece of that pie.

The nuclear option is they have their own basketball tournament and everyone year is basically in the NIT. I don't think that happens because aside from a few hard core jackasses like Sankey I think most understand the value comes from the breadth of participation and the Cinderella stories and possibilities.

The next option is they try to include more of their teams, which is obviously already happening. If it stays at 68 and they add bids at the expense of quality non football schools, that's a problem for the Big East and others.

If the tournament expands so they get more teams but the Big East still gets in the teams that it should, then it will play out on the court and I'm fine with that. The key there is to try to avoid the football school plan to disadvantage the non football schools with play in games.

There's no question that's what the SEC wants to do but I think the other football conferences have a wider lens and while the outcome won't be great, it won't be worst case scenario either.

Obviously not happy with any of it but this is the world we live in now.
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Hate to compliment you, but spot on post 😇
 
Not the point! Still great schools,teams, programs in a great conference. Not disputing lack of bargaining power just argument about its decline . It is not in decline.
 
Redzing1969 said:
Not the point! Still great schools,teams, programs in a great conference. Not disputing lack of bargaining power just argument about its decline . It is not in decline.
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In the eyes of the beholder, conference clearly under attack; you guys can spin it all you want, you are just whistling in the dark IMO. Hope I am wrong.
lawmanfan said:
The football conferences are inevitably headed towards doing their own thing as they have been for years. It's just accelerating as it gets closer to the end game.

The key question is to what extent basketball can be kept out of the gravitational force of the football endgame.

The NCAA basketball tournament is worth about $1 billion as I understand it. Most people understand that the participation of a wide range of schools is a key element of producing that value.

There is no question that the football conferences are going to try to grab a larger piece of that pie.

The nuclear option is they have their own basketball tournament and everyone year is basically in the NIT. I don't think that happens because aside from a few hard core jackasses like Sankey I think most understand the value comes from the breadth of participation and the Cinderella stories and possibilities.

The next option is they try to include more of their teams, which is obviously already happening. If it stays at 68 and they add bids at the expense of quality non football schools, that's a problem for the Big East and others.

If the tournament expands so they get more teams but the Big East still gets in the teams that it should, then it will play out on the court and I'm fine with that. The key there is to try to avoid the football school plan to disadvantage the non football schools with play in games.

There's no question that's what the SEC wants to do but I think the other football conferences have a wider lens and while the outcome won't be great, it won't be worst case scenario either.

Obviously not happy with any of it but this is the world we live in now.
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Unfortunately, the “most people” you refer to are not the ones counting the money, who are the only ones calling the shots. They don’t care about what makes fans happy, the TV contracts will still be there regardless and that’s where the real money is.
 
lawmanfan said:
The football conferences are inevitably headed towards doing their own thing as they have been for years. It's just accelerating as it gets closer to the end game.

The key question is to what extent basketball can be kept out of the gravitational force of the football endgame.

The NCAA basketball tournament is worth about $1 billion as I understand it. Most people understand that the participation of a wide range of schools is a key element of producing that value.

There is no question that the football conferences are going to try to grab a larger piece of that pie.

The nuclear option is they have their own basketball tournament and everyone year is basically in the NIT. I don't think that happens because aside from a few hard core jackasses like Sankey I think most understand the value comes from the breadth of participation and the Cinderella stories and possibilities.

The next option is they try to include more of their teams, which is obviously already happening. If it stays at 68 and they add bids at the expense of quality non football schools, that's a problem for the Big East and others.

If the tournament expands so they get more teams but the Big East still gets in the teams that it should, then it will play out on the court and I'm fine with that. The key there is to try to avoid the football school plan to disadvantage the non football schools with play in games.

There's no question that's what the SEC wants to do but I think the other football conferences have a wider lens and while the outcome won't be great, it won't be worst case scenario either.

Obviously not happy with any of it but this is the world we live in now.
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They will take over tournament and invite a few other schools in but they will control seeding, have games on large campus venues to get ticket revenue, and distribute less of the media revenue to teams invited from outside super league. That means Super League retains bulk. Non football teams will have less revenue to compete. Harder to attract big talent. They won’t schedule season games with outsiders. They will squeeze us out. The solution for competitors like us is to sue them under the federal antitrust laws. They are seeking monopoly power. This will eventually be settled in court. But we need aggressive leadership and Akerman ain’t that.
 
logen said:
In the eyes of the beholder, conference clearly under attack; you guys can spin it all you want, you are just whistling in the dark IMO. Hope I am wrong.

Unfortunately, the “most people” you refer to are not the ones counting the money, who are the only ones calling the shots. They don’t care about what makes fans happy, the TV contracts will still be there regardless and that’s where the real money is.
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:mad: Not at you, at the reality of it.
 
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