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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404771][quote="Moose" post=404757][quote="Mike Zaun" post=404738]I know no Aiken but I called Seton Hall being very overrated. They stink. And when they had Aiken he was bad. Having Whitehead then Powell can make many coaches look better than they are.[/quote]

You really do make me laugh. That's important these days.

'When they had Aiken he was bad'

You mean the 8 minutes he played this year he was bad?[/quote]

Yup! I said he was not going to be Powell if healthy and he is very injury prone. I know Hall came storming back here, but they do not impress me. Think they end up finishing 7th or so.[/quote]

Thats fine if he's not Powell. But he still a grizzled PG who averaged 15 to 22 ppg in his college career and as a 5th year senior brings experience which is something that many in college don't have. You did just watch our freshman PG unravel down the stretch against BC.

I'm fine you saying Hall is overrated. But to say Aiken is bad/was bad in his large sample size of 8 minutes for Hall is just downright ridiculous.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404738]I know no Aiken but I called Seton Hall being very overrated. They stink. And when they had Aiken he was bad. Having Whitehead then Powell can make many coaches look better than they are.[/quote]

Seriously we get it. You don't like Willard, you don't like Seton Hall and you don''t like Anderson. You keep dumping on Seton Hall and they have proven you wrong. Whitehead was there one year and they survived without him. Powell was a great player but he had a pretty good supporting cast, several who return. They will also survive him. Willard has built a program not a one trick pony.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=404775][quote="Mike Zaun" post=404738]I know no Aiken but I called Seton Hall being very overrated. They stink. And when they had Aiken he was bad. Having Whitehead then Powell can make many coaches look better than they are.[/quote]

Seriously we get it. You don't like Willard, you don't like Seton Hall and you don''t like Anderson. You keep dumping on Seton Hall and they have proven you wrong. Whitehead was there one year and they survived without him. Powell was a great player but he had a pretty good supporting cast, several who return. They will also survive him. Willard has built a program not a one trick pony.[/quote]

Don't like CMA? Did you read anything I posted last night? And Seton Hall did that to Iona...when they play major teams they won't come storming back like that so easily. I just don't agree with the sentiment that SH almost won't skip a beat. They lost a ton and Powell is not replaceable. Aiken has proven nothing thus far at this level. He did well at Harvard but so far he did not prove anything at Hall. Transfers are far from automatic...Heron was a 5 star kid coming off very good years at Auburn and he was not very good here. Can't always assume kids will be as good if not better taking a big step up in competition like Aiken is.
 
I don’t think anyone disagrees when you say they won’t be AS good as they were last year with Powell.

Problem is you said they stink. Because they were in a close game for awhile before pulling away??? What does that make us for needing a clutch three to beat St. Peter’s? I’m confused
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404879][quote="SJU85" post=404775][quote="Mike Zaun" post=404738]I know no Aiken but I called Seton Hall being very overrated. They stink. And when they had Aiken he was bad. Having Whitehead then Powell can make many coaches look better than they are.[/quote]

Seriously we get it. You don't like Willard, you don't like Seton Hall and you don''t like Anderson. You keep dumping on Seton Hall and they have proven you wrong. Whitehead was there one year and they survived without him. Powell was a great player but he had a pretty good supporting cast, several who return. They will also survive him. Willard has built a program not a one trick pony.[/quote]

Don't like CMA? Did you read anything I posted last night? And Seton Hall did that to Iona...when they play major teams they won't come storming back like that so easily. I just don't agree with the sentiment that SH almost won't skip a beat. They lost a ton and Powell is not replaceable. Aiken has proven nothing thus far at this level. He did well at Harvard but so far he did not prove anything at Hall. Transfers are far from automatic...Heron was a 5 star kid coming off very good years at Auburn and he was not very good here. Can't always assume kids will be as good if not better taking a big step up in competition like Aiken is.[/quote]

Aiken only played 8 minutes as Moose stated last night. So, he really hasn't had a chance to prove anything. Using Heron as an example is convenient as there have been plenty of other examples where transfers performed quite well.

Hey! I don't care for Seton Hall either, but saying Aiken hasn't proven anything (which technically he hasn't) when he only played 8 minutes and saying the Hall "stinks" after a bad half (in only their second game of the season) versus Iona is typical knee jerk and overreaction.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404771][quote="Moose" post=404757][quote="Mike Zaun" post=404738]I know no Aiken but I called Seton Hall being very overrated. They stink. And when they had Aiken he was bad. Having Whitehead then Powell can make many coaches look better than they are.[/quote]

You really do make me laugh. That's important these days.

'When they had Aiken he was bad'

You mean the 8 minutes he played this year he was bad?[/quote]

Yup! I said he was not going to be Powell if healthy and he is very injury prone. I know Hall came storming back here, but they do not impress me. Think they end up finishing 7th or so.[/quote]

So you want points for assessing Aiken's SHU career based on his 8 minutes AND predicting that he won't be as good as the 9th leading scorer in BE history. Nostrafuckingdamus you are.
 
To be fair, when I posted that they stink...they were being dominated by Iona. The 2nd half they came back with a force, so Willard made good adjustments there. At the end of the day, I'm sure Aiken will be at least solid, just not sold he will be a bonafide star anywhere in the realm of Powell. That is what many fans seemed to imply...some had Hall as the #3 team in the conference. He would need to be Powell to have them finish 3rd IMO. I think Willard is a solid, nothing crazy special kind of coach who has benefited from sleazy tactics (Whitehead) and riding Powell for 4 yrs. I've said all along that if he pulls a rabbit out of his hat this year and they turn out to be a good team (I'd say top 5 and tourney bid), I will eat my crow and never question him again. Look what a great player like Ponds did for Mullin. Made people think he was a good coach early on, because he carried us. If you have a great player for 4 yrs, you can easily become an overrated coach. I never said he was bad, just overrated. He was on the hot seat for years until he got Whitehead then Powell. We will see what Hall does this year.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404879][quote="SJU85" post=404775][quote="Mike Zaun" post=404738]I know no Aiken but I called Seton Hall being very overrated. They stink. And when they had Aiken he was bad. Having Whitehead then Powell can make many coaches look better than they are.[/quote]

Seriously we get it. You don't like Willard, you don't like Seton Hall and you don''t like Anderson. You keep dumping on Seton Hall and they have proven you wrong. Whitehead was there one year and they survived without him. Powell was a great player but he had a pretty good supporting cast, several who return. They will also survive him. Willard has built a program not a one trick pony.[/quote]

Don't like CMA? Did you read anything I posted last night? And Seton Hall did that to Iona...when they play major teams they won't come storming back like that so easily. I just don't agree with the sentiment that SH almost won't skip a beat. They lost a ton and Powell is not replaceable. Aiken has proven nothing thus far at this level. He did well at Harvard but so far he did not prove anything at Hall. Transfers are far from automatic...Heron was a 5 star kid coming off very good years at Auburn and he was not very good here. Can't always assume kids will be as good if not better taking a big step up in competition like Aiken is.[/quote]

Not sure if I did read anything you posted last night but did read (but no longer) plenty of stuff you've written about his recruiting ability which has lead me to believe you don't care for him as a coach. Even when you give him credit, there tends to be a negative dig in there hidden or in plain sight or one that follows shortly after.

Heron played in the SEC, a very good league so I wouldn't consider his move a big step up. For several reasons that we can analyze elsewhere, it didn't work out as we had planned. Maybe his supporting cast at Auburn helped more than what he had here.

Yes, losing Powell is big, no one is saying it isn't but Aiken is a talent and I think you are selling the support cast at Seton Hall short. Lastly, if it does work out opposite of the way you think it will, you might give them credit, but next year you will be telling us how they are again overrated and player X won't be able to take Aiken's spot. It's okay, we understand, you don't like them.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404900]To be fair, when I posted that they stink...they were being dominated by Iona. The 2nd half they came back with a force, so Willard made good adjustments there. At the end of the day, I'm sure Aiken will be at least solid, just not sold he will be a bonafide star anywhere in the realm of Powell. That is what many fans seemed to imply...some had Hall as the #3 team in the conference. He would need to be Powell to have them finish 3rd IMO. I think Willard is a solid, nothing crazy special kind of coach who has benefited from sleazy tactics (Whitehead) and riding Powell for 4 yrs. I've said all along that if he pulls a rabbit out of his hat this year and they turn out to be a good team (I'd say top 5 and tourney bid), I will eat my crow and never question him again. Look what a great player like Ponds did for Mullin. Made people think he was a good coach early on, because he carried us. If you have a great player for 4 yrs, you can easily become an overrated coach. I never said he was bad, just overrated. He was on the hot seat for years until he got Whitehead then Powell. We will see what Hall does this year.[/quote]

Sheesh, dude. It's not fair, as it was a small sample and it being extremely early in the season to say a team "stinks" after a bad half. Besides, at no point they were being dominated by Iona. They were simply losing from what I saw. Nothing more.
 
I was saying Aiken, not Heron is taking bit step up in comp. And regarding CMA, are we only allowed to discuss the things he does well? It would just be an echochamber then. He frustrated a lot of people with recruiting...trust me it's far from just me. But I'll give him credit after last night, we have some rock solid players that appear to be stars in the making especially Champ and Posh even at the Big East level. Still going to need a real big eventually. If Hall does well this yr, I already said I'll give him his credit. Aiken is not Powell, so I'd laud him for making tourney and finishing top 5 with that roster. And Dinkins, Hall looked awful during that first half. They were bricking everything and Iona was moving the ball well and shooting lights out. Willard adjusted to have them defend further out to the line and that solved it. Not exactly brain science there though. Let's see how they fare with Big East teams.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=404903]I was saying Aiken, not Heron is taking bit step up in comp. And regarding CMA, are we only allowed to discuss the things he does well? It would just be an echochamber then. He frustrated a lot of people with recruiting...trust me it's far from just me. But I'll give him credit after last night, we have some rock solid players that appear to be stars in the making especially Champ and Posh even at the Big East level. Still going to need a real big eventually. If Hall does well this yr, I already said I'll give him his credit. Aiken is not Powell, so I'd laud him for making tourney and finishing top 5 with that roster. And Dinkins, Hall looked awful during that first half. They were bricking everything and Iona was moving the ball well and shooting lights out. Willard adjusted to have them defend further out to the line and that solved it. Not exactly brain science there though. Let's see how they fare with Big East teams.[/quote]

"And regarding CMA, are we only allowed to discuss the things he does well?"

Of course not.

"But I'll give him credit after last night, we have some rock solid players that appear to be stars in the making especially Champ and Posh even at the Big East level. Still going to need a real big eventually."

Thanks for proving a point. You give Anderson credit but you couldn't leave it there. You had to get your recruiting dig or negative comment in "Still going to need a real big eventually" at the end.

"Willard adjusted to have them defend further out to the line and that solved it. Not exactly brain science there though."

See my comment above. Credit for adjusting but dig in for it not being exactly brain science.
 
Why don't you let the game play out? The way the team starts isn't always indicative of how they will end. Funny how Willard is getting blasted for having good players which led to winning. Doesn't Zaun ask for 4 and 5 stars all day on here? So you say you need highly rated players in order to win right? Willard has done that and you're still bashing him. You sound like a person that can never be happy dude. You need to step back and think before you type.
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=404998]Hoyas have their backs against the wall against a stubborn Navy team. Down one with 6 minutes left...[/quote]

Now down 8!! 3:30 left
 
Been saying for years. G'Town has no chance at truly coming back to relevance under Ewing. And I'm a Knicks fan so I love Ewing.
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=405005]78-71 Navy. Final. Knives may be out for Ewing pretty soon unfortunately...[/quote]

I’m ok if they stay where they are for a few years as we rise back to prominence.
 
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