Around the Big East 19/20
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The depth of the conference will likely hurt it. Always need a punching bag or two to help pad records. Otherwise everyone beats each other up and you have a bunch of teams between 7 and 11 conference losses. That makes it tough to "earn" top seeds in the bracket making it tougher to advance.
[quote="weathermannyc" post=369479]The depth of the conference will likely hurt it. Always need a punching bag or two to help pad records. Otherwise everyone beats each other up and you have a bunch of teams between 7 and 11 conference losses. That makes it tough to "earn" top seeds in the bracket making it tougher to advance.[/quote]
If we had two teams who were “punching bags” and won say 3-5 games all conference season, there would be plenty of pundits saying the other 8 teams in the conference were gifted 3-4 wins. Personally I’d rather it this way.
If we had two teams who were “punching bags” and won say 3-5 games all conference season, there would be plenty of pundits saying the other 8 teams in the conference were gifted 3-4 wins. Personally I’d rather it this way.
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.
Parity works really well when the league is as strong as it is this year. This year there are 9 teams with good OOC resumes while last year there were only 4 (Nova, Marq, SJU and SHU). It's no coincidence that those 4 teams made the Dance. When Creighton, Georgetown and Xavier went 9-9 last year they made the NIT instead. This year any of the 9 teams (everyone but Prov) would easily make the Dance at 9-9.
The BEST thing about parity is it allows any team to be great the following year. Last year 9/10 teams made the NCAA/NIT, and even the 10th team DePaul got to the CBA (is that it?) finals. Look at the basement this year. The projected bottom 3 teams in Butler, DePaul and St. John's are contributing greatly.
In short, I love the parity and it's a great thing for the league long-term. As for this year, we can easily afford it since we're the #1 NET league. It's going to make for some really exciting basketball and we'll be well-represented in March.
The BEST thing about parity is it allows any team to be great the following year. Last year 9/10 teams made the NCAA/NIT, and even the 10th team DePaul got to the CBA (is that it?) finals. Look at the basement this year. The projected bottom 3 teams in Butler, DePaul and St. John's are contributing greatly.
In short, I love the parity and it's a great thing for the league long-term. As for this year, we can easily afford it since we're the #1 NET league. It's going to make for some really exciting basketball and we'll be well-represented in March.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.
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[quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.
[quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote] That’s one of the advantages of playing a lot of players. On the other hand, I think that played a role last year w our lack of depth.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote] That’s one of the advantages of playing a lot of players. On the other hand, I think that played a role last year w our lack of depth.
[quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
Worn out by tourney time?? I’ve watched a few of those Uconn teams run the season, run the table in the BET and go on to win NC’s. I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. The will to win needs to win out there and for the best teams it does. We are very deep so that shouldn’t be an issue.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
Worn out by tourney time?? I’ve watched a few of those Uconn teams run the season, run the table in the BET and go on to win NC’s. I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. The will to win needs to win out there and for the best teams it does. We are very deep so that shouldn’t be an issue.
[quote="MCNPA" post=369572][quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
Worn out by tourney time?? I’ve watched a few of those Uconn teams run the season, run the table in the BET and go on to win NC’s. I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. The will to win needs to win out there and for the best teams it does. We are very deep so that shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]
UCONN pulled a miracle in 2011. However, they were only 9-9 in the Big East that year, and suffered quite a few blowouts. I honestly believe that there were some games that year, where they might have been in it (say down 6, with 8 minutes left on the road), but Calhoun knew that a comeback was unlikely, so he didn't go all out, preferring to keep them fresh for the long haul.
The Big East that year also had DePaul, South Florida, Rutgers, and a pre-Ed Cooley Providence, so there were enough soft landings over the course of the year. I can see this years Big East play out like 1991, when 7 of the 9 league teams made the tournament, but no Final Fours (St. John's and Seton Hall made the Elite Eight). That's a more apt comparison to this year, IMO, although it's very early.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
Worn out by tourney time?? I’ve watched a few of those Uconn teams run the season, run the table in the BET and go on to win NC’s. I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. The will to win needs to win out there and for the best teams it does. We are very deep so that shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]
UCONN pulled a miracle in 2011. However, they were only 9-9 in the Big East that year, and suffered quite a few blowouts. I honestly believe that there were some games that year, where they might have been in it (say down 6, with 8 minutes left on the road), but Calhoun knew that a comeback was unlikely, so he didn't go all out, preferring to keep them fresh for the long haul.
The Big East that year also had DePaul, South Florida, Rutgers, and a pre-Ed Cooley Providence, so there were enough soft landings over the course of the year. I can see this years Big East play out like 1991, when 7 of the 9 league teams made the tournament, but no Final Fours (St. John's and Seton Hall made the Elite Eight). That's a more apt comparison to this year, IMO, although it's very early.
[quote="MCNPA" post=369572][quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
Worn out by tourney time?? I’ve watched a few of those Uconn teams run the season, run the table in the BET and go on to win NC’s. I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. The will to win needs to win out there and for the best teams it does. We are very deep so that shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]
"I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. "
Gotta agree there, and a few time they'll get over a week off, plus they're real young.
If it was the nba where they play 4/5 games in a week, then that's a whole other story.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
Worn out by tourney time?? I’ve watched a few of those Uconn teams run the season, run the table in the BET and go on to win NC’s. I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. The will to win needs to win out there and for the best teams it does. We are very deep so that shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]
"I don’t believe in these guys running out of steam over only 40 minutes per game once or twice a week. "
Gotta agree there, and a few time they'll get over a week off, plus they're real young.
If it was the nba where they play 4/5 games in a week, then that's a whole other story.
[quote="Adam" post=369563][quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree with Adam on this one. In this case: Over-analysis causes brain paralysis.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree with Adam on this one. In this case: Over-analysis causes brain paralysis.
[quote="Adam" post=369563][quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
I think the major downside as we've seen in years past with BE parity is the lack of quality seeding. Many teams in our conference get locked into the 7-12 seeds because of how tight the conference is, and then stand little chance to advance past the second round of NCAAs because they are immediately matched with higher seeds.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
I think the major downside as we've seen in years past with BE parity is the lack of quality seeding. Many teams in our conference get locked into the 7-12 seeds because of how tight the conference is, and then stand little chance to advance past the second round of NCAAs because they are immediately matched with higher seeds.
[quote="Room112" post=369579][quote="Adam" post=369563][quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
I think the major downside as we've seen in years past with BE parity is the lack of quality seeding. Many teams in our conference get locked into the 7-12 seeds because of how tight the conference is, and then stand little chance to advance past the second round of NCAAs because they are immediately matched with higher seeds.[/quote]
I wouldn't say we've lacked quality seeds. Nearly every year we've had at least one or two #1/#2 seeds. In 2018 we had 2 #1 seeds (Nova/X).
I can agree last year we didn't get quality seeds. However, that was due to our mediocre OOC performance rather than parity. The parity allowed for a LOT of Q1 games (top 75 away). The top 2 teams last year (Nova/Marquette) still got to 13-5 and 12-6 in conference. Nova's seeding actually was boosted by their conference performance. Remember, they had 4 OOC losses last year and weren't ranked until a couple weeks into Big East play. In short, neither Nova nor Marquette were hurt by the parity. Nobody was kept out of the Tournament due to parity. The 6 teams that didn't make it didn't have good OOC performances.
The difference is last year the conference was ranked #4 in NET while this year it is #1. Last year we didn't have a team like Butler finishing #3 in NET OOC. We also had a lot of teams in the 60's-70's rather than 30's-40's. We'll have at least 1 high seed (#1-3 seed) this year. If anyone besides Providence gets to 12-13 wins then they'll be given a #1-3 seed.
I know I am generally optimistic, but honestly I think everything Big East and St. John's related this year has been extremely, extremely encouraging and we are in the best place since realignment.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
I think the major downside as we've seen in years past with BE parity is the lack of quality seeding. Many teams in our conference get locked into the 7-12 seeds because of how tight the conference is, and then stand little chance to advance past the second round of NCAAs because they are immediately matched with higher seeds.[/quote]
I wouldn't say we've lacked quality seeds. Nearly every year we've had at least one or two #1/#2 seeds. In 2018 we had 2 #1 seeds (Nova/X).
I can agree last year we didn't get quality seeds. However, that was due to our mediocre OOC performance rather than parity. The parity allowed for a LOT of Q1 games (top 75 away). The top 2 teams last year (Nova/Marquette) still got to 13-5 and 12-6 in conference. Nova's seeding actually was boosted by their conference performance. Remember, they had 4 OOC losses last year and weren't ranked until a couple weeks into Big East play. In short, neither Nova nor Marquette were hurt by the parity. Nobody was kept out of the Tournament due to parity. The 6 teams that didn't make it didn't have good OOC performances.
The difference is last year the conference was ranked #4 in NET while this year it is #1. Last year we didn't have a team like Butler finishing #3 in NET OOC. We also had a lot of teams in the 60's-70's rather than 30's-40's. We'll have at least 1 high seed (#1-3 seed) this year. If anyone besides Providence gets to 12-13 wins then they'll be given a #1-3 seed.
I know I am generally optimistic, but honestly I think everything Big East and St. John's related this year has been extremely, extremely encouraging and we are in the best place since realignment.
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[quote="Adam" post=369587][quote="Room112" post=369579][quote="Adam" post=369563][quote="SJU61982" post=369561][quote="Paultzman" post=369487][quote="NCJohnnie" post=369485]If we wind up with 6 or 7 tourney berths, 4 or 5 top 25 teams and a couple of top 15 teams I'll gladly take not having higher than a 3 or 4 seed. Would do wonders for conference rep after a very disappointing year last year.[/quote]
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
I think the major downside as we've seen in years past with BE parity is the lack of quality seeding. Many teams in our conference get locked into the 7-12 seeds because of how tight the conference is, and then stand little chance to advance past the second round of NCAAs because they are immediately matched with higher seeds.[/quote]
I wouldn't say we've lacked quality seeds. Nearly every year we've had at least one or two #1/#2 seeds. In 2018 we had 2 #1 seeds (Nova/X).
I can agree last year we didn't get quality seeds. However, that was due to our mediocre OOC performance rather than parity. The parity allowed for a LOT of Q1 games (top 75 away). The top 2 teams last year (Nova/Marquette) still got to 13-5 and 12-6 in conference. Nova's seeding actually was boosted by their conference performance. Remember, they had 4 OOC losses last year and weren't ranked until a couple weeks into Big East play. In short, neither Nova nor Marquette were hurt by the parity. Nobody was kept out of the Tournament due to parity. The 6 teams that didn't make it didn't have good OOC performances.
The difference is last year the conference was ranked #4 in NET while this year it is #1. Last year we didn't have a team like Butler finishing #3 in NET OOC. We also had a lot of teams in the 60's-70's rather than 30's-40's. We'll have at least 1 high seed (#1-3 seed) this year. If anyone besides Providence gets to 12-13 wins then they'll be given a #1-3 seed.
I know I am generally optimistic, but honestly I think everything Big East and St. John's related this year has been extremely, extremely encouraging and we are in the best place since realignment.[/quote]
Agree. On top of seeding, the truth is that to make a statement, we need to beat those top seeds. I’d you don’t you’re not gonna advance. dorsnt matter where you start off. Gotta advance regardless of the seed.
Agree and frankly as a college basketball junkie, nothing makes me happier than the current Big East where every game is a battle.The top heavy ACC is quite the opposite. If that effects “Dance” seeding, so be it.[/quote]
Might not only affect NCAA Tournament seeding, but NCAA Tournament performance as well. Our teams could be worn out by dance time, because it's going to be a war every night. Rightly or wrongly (I believe wrongly, FWIW), teams/leagues are usually judged, based on how they do in the NCAA Tournament.
ACC teams will have a few nights where they can take it easier. Their players might be more rested for the Tournament.[/quote]
I think you're overthinking this... just ask SEC teams how they've done the past decade playing in the #1 conference. This year we're the #1 conference and every other conference wants to be where we're at.
It's not like every night will come down to double overtime. There will be plenty of unexpected blowouts and chances to recover. Also, the bottom feeder ACC teams still aren't bad. They're not low-major cupcakes but instead similar to Vermont. Everyone will get up for everyone.
The way I see it, the tough Big East schedule gives teams more experience come March. What has hurt the Big East the most in March has been the lack of a certain play style executed at a high level. For instance, our style is one that Big East teams are mostly unfamiliar with. In the past it has knocked some teams out quickly in March.
We are one of those teams causing the parity. Do you really think if we were the mediocre pushovers we were expected to be it'd help the league out in March? Or do you think our playing style will give teams more experience, and maybe even give us an unexpected bid as well?
There are zero negatives to being the #1 NET conference. None. Just enjoy what will be an awesome year.[/quote]
I think the major downside as we've seen in years past with BE parity is the lack of quality seeding. Many teams in our conference get locked into the 7-12 seeds because of how tight the conference is, and then stand little chance to advance past the second round of NCAAs because they are immediately matched with higher seeds.[/quote]
I wouldn't say we've lacked quality seeds. Nearly every year we've had at least one or two #1/#2 seeds. In 2018 we had 2 #1 seeds (Nova/X).
I can agree last year we didn't get quality seeds. However, that was due to our mediocre OOC performance rather than parity. The parity allowed for a LOT of Q1 games (top 75 away). The top 2 teams last year (Nova/Marquette) still got to 13-5 and 12-6 in conference. Nova's seeding actually was boosted by their conference performance. Remember, they had 4 OOC losses last year and weren't ranked until a couple weeks into Big East play. In short, neither Nova nor Marquette were hurt by the parity. Nobody was kept out of the Tournament due to parity. The 6 teams that didn't make it didn't have good OOC performances.
The difference is last year the conference was ranked #4 in NET while this year it is #1. Last year we didn't have a team like Butler finishing #3 in NET OOC. We also had a lot of teams in the 60's-70's rather than 30's-40's. We'll have at least 1 high seed (#1-3 seed) this year. If anyone besides Providence gets to 12-13 wins then they'll be given a #1-3 seed.
I know I am generally optimistic, but honestly I think everything Big East and St. John's related this year has been extremely, extremely encouraging and we are in the best place since realignment.[/quote]
Agree. On top of seeding, the truth is that to make a statement, we need to beat those top seeds. I’d you don’t you’re not gonna advance. dorsnt matter where you start off. Gotta advance regardless of the seed.
Saturday, December 28th:
12 noon - American at Georgetown (89.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Central Arkansas at Marquette (98.3%) - FS1
4:00 PM - UL Monroe at Butler (99.1%) - FS1
6:00 PM - Midland at Creighton (99.9%) - FS1
No games on Sunday. Conference play begins on Monday, the 30th.
12 noon - American at Georgetown (89.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Central Arkansas at Marquette (98.3%) - FS1
4:00 PM - UL Monroe at Butler (99.1%) - FS1
6:00 PM - Midland at Creighton (99.9%) - FS1
No games on Sunday. Conference play begins on Monday, the 30th.
[quote="SJU61982" post=369600]Saturday, December 28th:
12 noon - American at Georgetown (89.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Central Arkansas at Marquette (98.3%) - FS1
4:00 PM - UL Monroe at Butler (99.1%) - FS1
6:00 PM - Midland at Creighton (99.9%) - FS1
No games on Sunday. Conference play begins on Monday, the 30th.[/quote]
Cupcake Saturday!
12 noon - American at Georgetown (89.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Central Arkansas at Marquette (98.3%) - FS1
4:00 PM - UL Monroe at Butler (99.1%) - FS1
6:00 PM - Midland at Creighton (99.9%) - FS1
No games on Sunday. Conference play begins on Monday, the 30th.[/quote]
Cupcake Saturday!
Mullins Revenge
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[quote="MCNPA" post=369602][quote="SJU61982" post=369600]Saturday, December 28th:
12 noon - American at Georgetown (89.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Central Arkansas at Marquette (98.3%) - FS1
4:00 PM - UL Monroe at Butler (99.1%) - FS1
6:00 PM - Midland at Creighton (99.9%) - FS1
No games on Sunday. Conference play begins on Monday, the 30th.[/quote]
Cupcake Saturday![/quote]
I wouldnt mind one last cupcake before butler. Oh well. Tuesday cant get here soon enough.
12 noon - American at Georgetown (89.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Central Arkansas at Marquette (98.3%) - FS1
4:00 PM - UL Monroe at Butler (99.1%) - FS1
6:00 PM - Midland at Creighton (99.9%) - FS1
No games on Sunday. Conference play begins on Monday, the 30th.[/quote]
Cupcake Saturday![/quote]
I wouldnt mind one last cupcake before butler. Oh well. Tuesday cant get here soon enough.