Around the Big East 19/20

[quote="Mike Zaun" post=368379]I just think Seton Hall is far from a sure thing and many here seem to think they are fine. They have 1 signature win...they also beat Iowa St but they are below us in the NET at 70 (previously 80) so not that crazy. The win last night was a must to have any real chance of doing anything special. It merely kept their heart beating for now in what is still a disappointing season thus far bad luck or not. How do we know they are a .500 Big East team? They are all banged up and I'm not even sure they would've dominated the conference when healthy. We had an extremely talented team last year that finished 8-10. There's no guarantee in this conference. I think what we saw last night was SHU cornered as an injured animal and responded as such fighting for their lives. I don't know that they have the coaching or the scoring to even be .500 in the conference this year. Give them credit for the big win and definitely their signature win, but by no means is their work over. They have a lot to prove still.

WVU NET is 12
Maryland is 18

According to the NET, our win is still more impressive. Let's not get too crazy here.[/quote]
Getting impression you are obsessed with the demise of SH, leaving SJU as metro area big kid on the block. I’ll leave that up to CMA & believe he will succeed in getting SJU on track for continued success.

Giving credit where due, SH was a pre season pick for top 3 in BE by most & Powell POY. Sometimes injuries rear their head or teams struggle for other reasons. That does not mean a program is heading south permanently nor they can’t turn it around. Kevin W deserves respect & like him or not, he has earned that.
 
Mike- again, Hall has 2 signature (Q1) wins. @ #62 St. Louis counts as Q1 (@ top 75), and as we know Q1 wins are huge in the selection process. Not sure why you're fixated on Maryland vs WVU when Hall's NET (41) is 28 ahead of ours (69) despite them having twice as many losses.

No way the Johnnies would've even sniffed the bubble last year with our #73 NET if we didn't have 5 Q1 wins. That was by far the highlight of our resume, most the other bubble teams had only 1-2 Q1 wins. Hall already has 2, potentially 3 if Iowa St improves a little, and during Big East play the majority of their games should be Q1 opportunities. They will almost certainly pick up a few more Q1 wins just by getting 8 or 9 Big East wins.

I personally like them being relevant. Rivalries are good, especially when they're in conference. Look at what has happened at UConn now that they're playing a bunch of schools across the country. Look at the northeastern ACC schools like Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse. We don't play Syracuse anymore (and they aren't even good), so I'm personally rooting for Hall to be a formidable rival in the future. NYC/NJ is a massive area with room for multiple successful teams.
 
I like SHU being relevant as well. I do kinda get what Zaun was originally saying in that I had picked them high for several years and thought they under-performed. OTOH those guys developed within the SHU system so it is not like they get these massive recruiting classes and flopped. Other than Whitehead there was no elite level recruit. Even Delgado was a 4 star as I recall. As far as this season the MD win is a team builder. They were under the gun and came through. Powell is not gone forever. I think they will still end up a strong Tourney team and #1 or 2 in BE. Nova is built to get better and full of high level young players.
 
They proved me wrong last night and maybe they will make some huge run in the tourney if they make it. I don't know...just my opinions. I just don't see them getting a top 4 or 5 seed if they make the tourney. I think they're already banged up and the conference is a meat grinder. We may not finish in the top half this year, but we aren't an easy out either. There are none except PC. DePaul looks good this year too but we shall see. Let's just say I wouldn't exactly go nuts buying SHU stock just yet. If they win 12 or 13 games in conference play plus another few BET games...then buy buy buy. Lots to still play out.
 
Zach B

Kevin Willard says Myles Powell won't be back anytime soon. Ruled out Sunday and most likely Big East opener against DePaul. #shbb
 
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Lovely slate tomorrow:
Villanova +2 vs Kansas
Georgetown -16.5 vs Samford
Providence +1 vs Texas
Butler -1 vs Purdue
DePaul -6.5 vs Northwestern (no respect)
Creighton +3 at Arizona St
St. John’s +11 at Arizona
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=368449]@rtcbigeast

Lovely slate tomorrow:
Villanova +2 vs Kansas
Georgetown -16.5 vs Samford
Providence +1 vs Texas
Butler -1 vs Purdue
DePaul -6.5 vs Northwestern (no respect)
Creighton +3 at Arizona St
St. John’s +11 at Arizona[/quote]

Kansas covers
Georgetown doesn't
Providence wins
Butler covers
DePaul wins by at least double that
Creighton wins
Arizona does not cover
 
Saturday, December 21st:

12:00 PM - Kansas at Villanova (62.6%) - FOX - Big East/Big 12 Battle, game 8 of 10
12:00 PM - Samford at Georgetown (91.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Texas at Providence (56.9%) - FOX - Big East/Big 12 Battle, game 9 of 10
2:30 PM - Purdue vs. Butler (46%), from Bankers Life Fieldhouse - BTN
8:30 PM - Creighton (38.2%) at Arizona St. - Pac12 Network
8:30 PM - Northwestern at DePaul (77.3%) - CBSSN
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=368458]Saturday, December 21st:

12:00 PM - Kansas at Villanova (62.6%) - FOX - Big East/Big 12 Battle, game 8 of 10
12:00 PM - Samford at Georgetown (91.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Texas at Providence (56.9%) - FOX - Big East/Big 12 Battle, game 9 of 10
2:30 PM - Purdue vs. Butler (46%), from Bankers Life Fieldhouse - BTN
8:30 PM - Creighton (38.2%) at Arizona St. - Pac12 Network
8:30 PM - Northwestern at DePaul (77.3%) - CBSSN[/quote]

With all due respect, you forgot the most important game of the day
10:00 PM - St John's vs. Arizona ESPN2
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=368473][quote="SJU61982" post=368458]Saturday, December 21st:

12:00 PM - Kansas at Villanova (62.6%) - FOX - Big East/Big 12 Battle, game 8 of 10
12:00 PM - Samford at Georgetown (91.9%) - FS1
2:00 PM - Texas at Providence (56.9%) - FOX - Big East/Big 12 Battle, game 9 of 10
2:30 PM - Purdue vs. Butler (46%), from Bankers Life Fieldhouse - BTN
8:30 PM - Creighton (38.2%) at Arizona St. - Pac12 Network
8:30 PM - Northwestern at DePaul (77.3%) - CBSSN[/quote]

With all due respect, you forgot the most important game of the day
10:00 PM - St John's vs. Arizona ESPN2[/quote]

I have never included our games on these lists. Knight already provides that info on the game forums, so no reason to have that here, IMO.
 
So Nova Kansas coverage starts with the coaches fawning over each other; I get that Wright has to play the game but it is just nauseating that a stoned cheater like Self is just allowed to roll merrily along. We are obviously meeting up with another professional (in that the players are playing for pay) team tonight. That’s why for me, tonight’s game is certainly interesting but very flawed as a sporting event.
 
One thing I have noticed from watching some of these games is that shooting is a lost art. Kansas (#1) against Villanova (#18) and its 18-16 with under 4 minutes to go. So it’s just not SJU.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=368489]One thing I have noticed from watching some of these games is that shooting is a lost art. Kansas (#1) against Villanova (#18) and its 18-16 with under 4 minutes to go. So it’s just not SJU.[/quote]

My best friend and I was just talking about the same two nights ago. He's a Tar Heel fan and was talking about how poorly they were at shooting the basketball, this season. I told him the Johnnies was also shooting it poorly.

For instance, I'm switching between the Samford/Georgetown game and the Kansas/Villanova game. Both Samford and Georgetown are laying bricks from deep (particularly, Samford).
 
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[quote="sjc88" post=368489]One thing I have noticed from watching some of these games is that shooting is a lost art. Kansas (#1) against Villanova (#18) and its 18-16 with under 4 minutes to go. So it’s just not SJU.[/quote]
Agreed. And foul shooting is ridiculously poor. Btw - I’m not a fan of the throwback jerseys worn by Nova today. They look like Marquette with the gold undertones.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=368490][quote="sjc88" post=368489]One thing I have noticed from watching some of these games is that shooting is a lost art. Kansas (#1) against Villanova (#18) and its 18-16 with under 4 minutes to go. So it’s just not SJU.[/quote]

My best friend and I was just talking about the same two nights ago. He's a Tar Heel fan and was talking about how poorly they were at shooting the basketball, this season. I told him the Johnnies was also shooting it poorly.

For instance, I'm switching between the Samford/Georgetown game and the Kansas/Villanova game. Both Samford and Georgetown are laying bricks from deep (particularly, Samford).[/quote]

I think the 3 point line is a factor. For instance Villanova is currently 5-21 from 3 point land. They might put up over 40 in the game and they are struggling to hit 30%. Makes this hard to watch.
 
I have to disagree. Maybe in some of these games shooting is lost art, but overall I'd challenge that. Shooting has been revived, especially last few years to the point there is little inside game.

Nice touch on the 1971 nat champ game team.
 
Kansas has the size, quick guard play & tenacious defense to win NCAA championship. On debit side, their perimeter shooting as noted above is sorely lacking.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=368493]I have to disagree. Maybe in some of these games shooting is lost art, but overall I'd challenge that. Shooting has been revived, especially last few years to the point there is little inside game.

Nice touch on the 1971 nat champ game team.[/quote]

NC I would argue that their is little inside game but it’s because the 3 point line is so inviting. Nova might be winning this game by going inside as they are 5-21 from behind the arc. Some of these games have become run down the court hoist up a 3, run down the other end shoot another 3. In this game their ain’t many going in.
 
Basketball has largely evolved into 3 point shots or layups, just the way it is. Mid range game has gone the way of the dinosaur. The line was moved back this year making the 3 point shot a little tougher but these players grew up firing or driving and know no other way to play. You can’t just add a pull up after so many years playing without one.
 
Nova with a ridiculous attempt at an inbounds up one with 13 seconds left. A panic lob to Gillespie. What happened to setting and using screens, coming to meet the ball?

BUT, won the game............
 
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