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[Amaseinyourface]

It's interesting as a SJU fan when I discuss college BB with my best friend, who is a SU grad and diehard BB fan. He still thinks of the SU program as a surefire top dog - the idea is at some point JB will move on and then they will rocket back to the Top Ten. I think it's more complicated than the coach. As with Pitt and BC I don't see how being in the ACC benefits the BB program other than monetarily. Not that the money doesn't drive the boat - it does - just that there is a cost on the court to it.

I'm sure they are still big in NY from Binghamton and further north but here in the Metro area they are now totally forgotten. And my son lives in Raleigh now - nobody in ACC country cares about the games against Syracuse. And the geography they picked effects recruiting. After the Seton Hall game Saturday coaches from both schools went straight to a Hudson Catholic game. Not so easy to do that if you played at Clemson or Wake that day. 

When you look at the SU roster it is striking, as it is mostly three-star kids. Maybe it's all because of a 77-year-old coach, but I don't think it's that simple. When JB finally goes we will find out.

I always thought naming a successor ahead of time was a stupid move. Seems like cuse may have dodged that bullet but in the meantime their whole situation has changed and it seems pretty clear it’s for the worst. At least when it comes to
bball, and let’s be honest, there’s nothing to care about in Syracuse other than basketball. Unless you’re a Tully’s fan. I will appreciate their demise more than most. They certainly took no pity on us when they were at their highest.

 

[beast of the east]

It's interesting as a SJU fan when I discuss college BB with my best friend, who is a SU grad and diehard BB fan. He still thinks of the SU program as a surefire top dog - the idea is at some point JB will move on and then they will rocket back to the Top Ten. I think it's more complicated than the coach. As with Pitt and BC I don't see how being in the ACC benefits the BB program other than monetarily. Not that the money doesn't drive the boat - it does - just that there is a cost on the court to it.

I'm sure they are still big in NY from Binghamton and further north but here in the Metro area they are now totally forgotten. And my son lives in Raleigh now - nobody in ACC country cares about the games against Syracuse. And the geography they picked effects recruiting. After the Seton Hall game Saturday coaches from both schools went straight to a Hudson Catholic game. Not so easy to do that if you played at Clemson or Wake that day. 

When you look at the SU roster it is striking, as it is mostly three-star kids. Maybe it's all because of a 77-year-old coach, but I don't think it's that simple. When JB finally goes we will find out.

I always thought naming a successor ahead of time was a stupid move. Seems like cuse may have dodged that bullet but in the meantime their whole situation has changed and it seems pretty clear it’s for the worst. At least when it comes to
bball, and let’s be honest, there’s nothing to care about in Syracuse other than basketball. Unless you’re a Tully’s fan. I will appreciate their demise more than most. They certainly took no pity on us when they were at their highest.

I don't know   There is something really nice about hating Syracuse.   Once they got lost in the grits of the ACC, you kind of miss when it was a great rivalry with us.   Kind of like crappy Easter or Halloween candy.   You never liked it, but when it was gone, you kind of wish you still had it.   

 

[austour]

Watch Louisville go hard after Bruce Pearl.

Why on god's green earth would Pearl leave Auburn for L'Ville...
 

So he wouldn't have to shine Bryan Harsin's shoes.

 

[L J S A]

Auburn fans on social media seem to think it's outlandish that Pearl would ever leave them. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

 

[fordham96]

If they could figure out a way to do it diplomatically and if he were on board with it (which I don't think he would be) I believe there are enough people around Louisville that would favor hiring Pitino back.

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Auburn fans on social media seem to think it's outlandish that Pearl would ever leave them. Can't wait to see how this plays out.

 

[SJU85]

Good friend of mine huge Cuse fan texted me if I thought Pitino would take the SU job for a few years to get the program straight again.  Maybe groom someone on the bench.  Says Jim has to go.

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If I were at UW and my seat weren't hot, there's no way in hell I leave for Syracuse. I liked it up there, and this is from a guy who hates Seattle.

I'd give Autry first public crack at it to be honest . . . but I'd first secretly call Pitino or Marshall. It's not like they've never had an embarrassing scandal up there.

Well Pitino was an assistant under Boeheim at Cuse so it would still be keeping it in the family. 

 

[fordham96]

I know that and they are very close.  Jim was one of the first people to defend Rick after he was let go from Louisville.

I don't think Rick would want to do that to him.

I just don't know how much longer Jim can go at this point.  He always had the fan base behind him that is going away.  Things could get ugly up there at home games.  Booing, negative chants etc...  Plus he is basically being accused of nepotism just hanging around so he can coach his son's while his program totally flatlines.

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Well Pitino was an assistant under Boeheim at Cuse so it would still be keeping it in the family. 

 

[BrooklynRed]

Good friend of mine huge Cuse fan texted me if I thought Pitino would take the SU job for a few years to get the program straight again.  Maybe groom someone on the bench.  Says Jim has to go.

 

Don't think he would want to go there--nearest racetrack is 3 hours away and it is only open for a limited time and conflicts with summer AAU schedules.  Also, ain't much to do in Syracuse-I spent about 3 weeks there early in my career and had snow (lake effect) every day and every restaurant had a salad bar, from the worst on up.   

 

[paultzman]

Matt Norlander

More: Dan Gavitt tells CBS Sports that the selection committee voted/decided that teams will need to play at least 25 games to be eligible for the NCAA Tournament this year.

 

[Section3]

Good friend of mine huge Cuse fan texted me if I thought Pitino would take the SU job for a few years to get the program straight again.  Maybe groom someone on the bench.  Says Jim has to go.

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If I were at UW and my seat weren't hot, there's no way in hell I leave for Syracuse. I liked it up there, and this is from a guy who hates Seattle.

I'd give Autry first public crack at it to be honest . . . but I'd first secretly call Pitino or Marshall. It's not like they've never had an embarrassing scandal up there.

Hope not. At Iona, his ceiling is low. At SU he could take over NY.

 

[beast of the east]

Good friend of mine huge Cuse fan texted me if I thought Pitino would take the SU job for a few years to get the program straight again.  Maybe groom someone on the bench.  Says Jim has to go.

L J S A post=453287
If I were at UW and my seat weren't hot, there's no way in hell I leave for Syracuse. I liked it up there, and this is from a guy who hates Seattle.

I'd give Autry first public crack at it to be honest . . . but I'd first secretly call Pitino or Marshall. It's not like they've never had an embarrassing scandal up there.

Hope not. At Iona, his ceiling is low. At SU he could take over NY.

With Boeheim losing steam over the past several seasons, I seriously doubt the school would select a 70 year old coach to replace a 77 year old Boeheim
I think they will look for a longer term solution but who knows.
.

 

[NCJohnnie]

Charlie Moore with a half court buzzer beater to lead Miami over Virginia Tech.

 

[SJU85]

I know that and they are very close.  Jim was one of the first people to defend Rick after he was let go from Louisville.

I don't think Rick would want to do that to him.

I just don't know how much longer Jim can go at this point.  He always had the fan base behind him that is going away.  Things could get ugly up there at home games.  Booing, negative chants etc...  Plus he is basically being accused of nepotism just hanging around so he can coach his son's while his program totally flatlines.

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Well Pitino was an assistant under Boeheim at Cuse so it would still be keeping it in the family. 
 

I know there were some who thought he probably should have packed it in five years ago.  The think with guys who have been so good for so long, sometimes they don't know when to leave.  Things change and sometimes they don't to their detriment.  I give props to Coach K for being able to do it so well for so long and then knowing when its time to bow out.  Coach C also knew to go out on a winning note on his terms.  Boeheim has held on too long.

 

[beast of the east]

I know that and they are very close.  Jim was one of the first people to defend Rick after he was let go from Louisville.

I don't think Rick would want to do that to him.

I just don't know how much longer Jim can go at this point.  He always had the fan base behind him that is going away.  Things could get ugly up there at home games.  Booing, negative chants etc...  Plus he is basically being accused of nepotism just hanging around so he can coach his son's while his program totally flatlines.

SJU85 post=453327

 

Well Pitino was an assistant under Boeheim at Cuse so it would still be keeping it in the family. 

 

I know there were some who thought he probably should have packed it in five years ago.  The think with guys who have been so good for so long, sometimes they don't know when to leave.  Things change and sometimes they don't to their detriment.  I give props to Coach K for being able to do it so well for so long and then knowing when its time to bow out.  Coach C also knew to go out on a winning note on his terms.  Boeheim has held on too long.

The fat lady hasn't sung yet.   I hope he goes out on his own terms and on an up note.   Yea, he's mellowed and has been a creep on the sidelines, but he has always given us our props, wanted to stay in the Big East, and has also said that Chris Mullin is the best player ever in the Big East.   

 

[lawmanfan]

Does Hubert Davis get a second year at UNC?

 

[paultzman]

Does Hubert Davis get a second year at UNC?

I’ll go with yes

 

[lawmanfan]

Does Hubert Davis get a second year at UNC?

I’ll go with yes
 

You're probably right, but if he does it's only because the ACC is truly awful and he has enough games against bad teams to survive.  But he is not exactly lighting it up, and it isnt because he has no players.

 

[fordham96]

Not sure what the expectation could be in just 1 year.  First off there is zero chance he gets let go after 1 year.  But also there is a reason Roy stepped aside after last year, take a look at the last 2 years he coached at UNC.  Not much going on.  And recruiting was not off the charts.  It is clear his energy and commitment were waning.  

Maybe Hubert Davis flames out after a few years but the idea that he was going to come in and be a top 5 team just because it is North Carolina when the roster and recent talent level clearly indicated otherwise is not fair.  2019–20North Carolina14–196–14T–13thTournament canceled due to COVID-192020–21North Carolina18–1110–6T–5thNCAA Division I Round of 64

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Does Hubert Davis get a second year at UNC?

You're probably right, but if he does it's only because the ACC is truly awful and he has enough games against bad teams to survive.  But he is not exactly lighting it up, and it isnt because he has no players.

 

[fordham96]

Did not come out right in the last post.  Here is Roy's last two years.  I would argue if Davis gets UNC in NCAA's this year he would have slightly overachieved at least for this year.  Or at worst met reasonable expectations.  The roster is not great:

2019–20North Carolina14–19 6–14T–13thTournament canceled due to COVID-19

2020–21North Carolina18–11 10–6T–5thNCAA Division I Round of 64

 

[lawmanfan]

Not sure what the expectation could be in just 1 year.  First off there is zero chance he gets let go after 1 year.  But also there is a reason Roy stepped aside after last year, take a look at the last 2 years he coached at UNC.  Not much going on.  And recruiting was not off the charts.  It is clear his energy and commitment were waning.  

Maybe Hubert Davis flames out after a few years but the idea that he was going to come in and be a top 5 team just because it is North Carolina when the roster and recent talent level clearly indicated otherwise is not fair.  2019–20North Carolina14–196–14T–13thTournament canceled due to COVID-192020–21North Carolina18–1110–6T–5thNCAA Division I Round of 64

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lawmanfan post=453468
Does Hubert Davis get a second year at UNC?

You're probably right, but if he does it's only because the ACC is truly awful and he has enough games against bad teams to survive.  But he is not exactly lighting it up, and it isnt because he has no players.
 

I agree - but IMO he has enough talent on that roster to be in second place in the ACC, and instead he's getting blown out by the likes of Wake Forest.  Not awesome for Hubert.  And I don't think UNC is going to have a ton of patience if he winds up .500 in a terrible conference this year and doesn't get a lot better next year.

Maybe they'll make a late run, though.