+1 No reason to think the pieces we're adding, and more experience from the sophomores won't offset the loss of Moe. Have to wait and see what the rest of this class looks like to make predictions, but it's not ridiculous to think we may be a better team next season. That's def possible.
Any more talk of moe staying or going?
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+1 No reason to think the pieces we're adding, and more experience from the sophomores won't offset the loss of Moe. Have to wait and see what the rest of this class looks like to make predictions, but it's not ridiculous to think we may be a better team next season. That's def possible.
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I know sir but have you seen him shoot? I mean, he's really sub par. The people I listed who played in college at least showed potential to be good shooters.
beast of the east
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Look at it this way, if Mo is really going to be a very good pro 3 years from now being a lte first round pick, grossing close to $1 million a year as he improves practicing against pro players in stead of college players. For the most part most NBA players are done at 35. He can work on his game AND get paid
NJMedStudent
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I hear you but we all know dozens of guys enter the draft with this mentality. It doesn't work out for the vast majority of them.
Generally speaking pro practices are not geared that way; they generally are walkthroughs for the better players. Heck, many of them don't go all out in games, you think they do in practice? I hope I am wrong but I think when teams start to look at Harkless very closely the possibility of him slipping to the 2nd round is very possible. I wish the kid the best and will be rooting for him but I just don't see hm ready for the pros at all even from a potential point of view.
ZanMan
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Practices in the NBA are not like college practices. There will be no improving going on there, especially for a rookie bench player who doesn't see a lot of minutes.
If this is his thought process, he is making a huge mistake IMO.
The reality here is that he can be out of the league by the following season, and then what? No degree, no job.
Then it's probably Europe.
I truly hope he is looking at this clearly and that there are no selfish, parasites whispering in his ear. He should listen to his mom! She knows best.
Not hiring an agent means the door is ajar. He is not going full blast into this and is keeping his options open. Hold your goodbyes and good lucks--- this scholarSHIP has not sailed !
I think we should continue to try and let Moe know what is obviously the beneficial route for him to take.
He is a kid who really needs guidance and needs to be shielded from some fast talkers whose INTERE$T$ conflict with his, big time !
Even though he is a kid, Moe has a mind of his own, so that's good. He showed this when he veered from Yukon to us.
He needs a concerted effort of illumination from here, the press and anyone else who has his best interests as a top priority.
He is such a sweet kid , this untimely NBA frolic would be just sorrowful.
Come on Moe, " Change your mentality, Wake up to reality! "
I think we should continue to try and let Moe know what is obviously the beneficial route for him to take.
He is a kid who really needs guidance and needs to be shielded from some fast talkers whose INTERE$T$ conflict with his, big time !
Even though he is a kid, Moe has a mind of his own, so that's good. He showed this when he veered from Yukon to us.
He needs a concerted effort of illumination from here, the press and anyone else who has his best interests as a top priority.
He is such a sweet kid , this untimely NBA frolic would be just sorrowful.
Come on Moe, " Change your mentality, Wake up to reality! "
Class of 72
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Scouts? The GM's and coaches change their minds once they watch the Final Four and if he slips, like Omar Cook, he will be in a tough situation. Like Cook, his shot is questionable, his defense is lax and his head is not always 100% into the flow of the college game. If anyone thinks that will change working one-on-one with a hired tutor, then best of luck.
That said, he needs to make the best decision for his family and career.
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does anyone know what time the press conference is at MSG?
You're right about his head, defense, and shot. But I don't think any of those things will drastically change in a year either. If Moe is drafted between 15-25 I think that's as good as he can expect next year too. Dont forget the elite prospects coming in like Noel, Shabazz, Anderson etc will replace the Davises and Gilchrists at the top of the draft.
Moe just isn't a cant miss kind of player. He has flaws and I don't think it matters if he comes out now or waited till he was a senior - he's a mid first round pick.
guinness77
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This is according to the 2005 NBA CBA, which I'm almost positive is up-to-date.
However, the NCAA adopted a rule that took effect in August 2009 that requires players at its member institutions to withdraw no later than April 15 (since been changed to April 10, this year) to retain their college eligibility; the first draft affected by this rule was the 2010 draft. A player who declares for the draft will lose his college eligibility, even if he is not drafted, if any of the following is true:
* The player signs with an agent.
* The player has declared for and withdrawn from a previous draft. Although the NBA collective bargaining agreement allows a player to withdraw twice, The NCAA only allows a player to enter the draft once without losing eligibility.
Seeing this shows me, regardless of him declaring, he DOES have until April 10th. The problem is, if they're having a big press conference at MSG to announce it, I see it as there's no turning back.
Call me a pessimist, but anyone who thinks we would be as good a team without Moe is crazy. We're a Top 25 team going into the season WITH him. Are we going to be good without him? We'll be better than this season, that's the only positive I can think of, how much, I don't know.
I don't fault the kid for trying to do what's right for him and family, but, one more year and he's a certain lottery pick. I understand the risk of injury and all that, but there's no way he's ready for the rigors of NBA basketball. The roster space is too valuable at that level to stash somebody on the bench and not play him, and the number of D-Leaguers who become success stories are not common.
I hope I'm wrong, like I said in my last post, I wish him nothing but good luck, and am happy he spent at least one year as a Johnnie.
However, the NCAA adopted a rule that took effect in August 2009 that requires players at its member institutions to withdraw no later than April 15 (since been changed to April 10, this year) to retain their college eligibility; the first draft affected by this rule was the 2010 draft. A player who declares for the draft will lose his college eligibility, even if he is not drafted, if any of the following is true:
* The player signs with an agent.
* The player has declared for and withdrawn from a previous draft. Although the NBA collective bargaining agreement allows a player to withdraw twice, The NCAA only allows a player to enter the draft once without losing eligibility.
Seeing this shows me, regardless of him declaring, he DOES have until April 10th. The problem is, if they're having a big press conference at MSG to announce it, I see it as there's no turning back.
Call me a pessimist, but anyone who thinks we would be as good a team without Moe is crazy. We're a Top 25 team going into the season WITH him. Are we going to be good without him? We'll be better than this season, that's the only positive I can think of, how much, I don't know.
I don't fault the kid for trying to do what's right for him and family, but, one more year and he's a certain lottery pick. I understand the risk of injury and all that, but there's no way he's ready for the rigors of NBA basketball. The roster space is too valuable at that level to stash somebody on the bench and not play him, and the number of D-Leaguers who become success stories are not common.
I hope I'm wrong, like I said in my last post, I wish him nothing but good luck, and am happy he spent at least one year as a Johnnie.
What makes him a lock to be a lottery pick next year?
NBA GMs are watching the same games we are. If they thought he was lottery-talent they would take him there this year. Just because he gets better next season doesn't mean his draft position will improve.
They expect him to get better.
guinness77
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So, the other players who are draft eligible have nothing to do with where Moe could be drafted? He would get drafted in the same spot no matter who else is out there? Interesting analysis.