Any more talk of moe staying or going?

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Georgetown junior forward Hollis Thompson is entering the 2012 NBA Draft.


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Please! Unless, Thompson "wows" a few teams in workouts, then he's destined to be a 2nd round pick. Heck! He might not get drafted at all. I doubt Harkless falls past the 25th (overall) pick.

If Harkless "wows" a few GMs, then he's gonna end up being a top 15 pick.  
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I understand what you're saying but they're equal in height and as a SF his 43% from 3 is a little more attractive than Moe's 20%. Everyone's talking about if Moe improves his shooting a little. It has to improve a lot. The strength of his game right now is inside and he can't play inside at the NBA level right now. I want him to go high but I probably wouldn't pick him.
 
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Georgetown junior forward Hollis Thompson is entering the 2012 NBA Draft.


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Please! Unless, Thompson "wows" a few teams in workouts, then he's destined to be a 2nd round pick. Heck! He might not get drafted at all. I doubt Harkless falls past the 25th (overall) pick.

If Harkless "wows" a few GMs, then he's gonna end up being a top 15 pick.  
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I understand what you're saying but they're equal in height and as a SF his 43% from 3 is a little more attractive than Moe's 20%. Everyone's talking about if Moe improves his shooting a little. It has to improve a lot. The strength of his game right now is inside and he can't play inside at the NBA level right now. I want him to go high but I probably wouldn't pick him.
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Moe's upside is better than Thompson's. Not to mention, I view Thompson primarily as a 6'8" jumpshooter. I think that is the only thing Thompson has on Moe.

Trust me.... Moe will be drafted in the first round, while Thompson may go in the second round. 
 
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Georgetown junior forward Hollis Thompson is entering the 2012 NBA Draft.


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Please! Unless, Thompson "wows" a few teams in workouts, then he's destined to be a 2nd round pick. Heck! He might not get drafted at all. I doubt Harkless falls past the 25th (overall) pick.

If Harkless "wows" a few GMs, then he's gonna end up being a top 15 pick.  
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I understand what you're saying but they're equal in height and as a SF his 43% from 3 is a little more attractive than Moe's 20%. Everyone's talking about if Moe improves his shooting a little. It has to improve a lot. The strength of his game right now is inside and he can't play inside at the NBA level right now. I want him to go high but I probably wouldn't pick him.
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Austour, I agree 100%!
By June he may be at his original draft point.....borderline 1st round. There are at least 4 or 5 second rounders who will likely move into the first round by June. Poor outside shooting, poor ball handling and lack of aggressiveness will cost him.
The same scouts that flushed him out after his freshman year will flush him down the toilet as soon as an NBA GM sees a slightly better package. 
 
Too bad. He made a big mistake. He could have had a year exclusively at small forward next year and showcased his skills. 
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He would have played on the most talented SJ ever with Karr, Green, Harrison, Amir and others. Sweet 16 material to showcase his talent and likely top 10 draft pick.
You leave school for the 2nd round only when your academics suck.
If he stopped attending classes......it is too late for Moe.
 
I wish Moe the best, but you have to think this is going to end up being a sad story a la Omar Cook. I just don't see him being an NBA player, at least not yet. 
 
 What's up with the hating on Moe here? The guy took a chance on STJ, delivered more than expected and has been nothing but a first-class athlete and ambassador for the school.

Yet the last few posts question his academics, his judgement and his future.

I've never heard anything to suggest he is less than a model citizen or student. Nowhere in his decision did he sound like a kid who was bailing on school.

Omar Cook? You're kidding, right? Cook was immature when he arrived, played under an undisciplined coached and go bad (or no) advice on his decision to leave.

Is Moe ready to make an impact in the NBA? maybe not. But he's certainly good enough to collect his pay and learn at the pro level.

FWIW, I've had my fingers crossed that Moe is testing the water might yet change his mind. No announcement of an agent yet. It's a longshot, but I'd love to see him back.
 
Firestorm, agree Moe seems to be one of the real good guys. The only people questioning his academics are simply wondering if he's still taking classes or if he's headed off to train and get ready for pre-draft camps and evaluations since if he has hit the road the ship most definitely has sailed. And the only folks questioning his judgement, as I have been guilty of, think he could have vastly improved his stock and draft status and value of his first contract through one more year where he would not have been forced to play a PF/C type role and might have been able to showcase better the skill set he'll be required to have as a SF in the NBA. Remember, Omar too though the was just going to collect his pay and learn at the pro level and he did for two years but never saw a second contract. We want Moe to get a second contract. Besides his physical attributes and drive I don't think he's shown enough as of now to prove he's assured of one. That's all many are saying. A few are borderline bitter at worst but I haven't seen any haters.
 
 What's up with the hating on Moe here? The guy took a chance on STJ, delivered more than expected and has been nothing but a first-class athlete and ambassador for the school.

Yet the last few posts question his academics, his judgement and his future.

I've never heard anything to suggest he is less than a model citizen or student. Nowhere in his decision did he sound like a kid who was bailing on school.

Omar Cook? You're kidding, right? Cook was immature when he arrived, played under an undisciplined coached and go bad (or no) advice on his decision to leave.

Is Moe ready to make an impact in the NBA? maybe not. But he's certainly good enough to collect his pay and learn at the pro level.

FWIW, I've had my fingers crossed that Moe is testing the water might yet change his mind. No announcement of an agent yet. It's a longshot, but I'd love to see him back.
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You missed the point about academics! if he stopped attending classes to prep for the draft he will have basically "dropped out of school". Many potential 1st rounders do that because they need one-on-one professional training for the camps. Moe is nowhere near being ready physically or mentally for the NBA game. My question then, is he still attending classes?????? 
 
Firestorm, agree Moe seems to be one of the real good guys. The only people questioning his academics are simply wondering if he's still taking classes or if he's headed off to train and get ready for pre-draft camps and evaluations since if he has hit the road the ship most definitely has sailed. And the only folks questioning his judgement, as I have been guilty of, think he could have vastly improved his stock and draft status and value of his first contract through one more year where he would not have been forced to play a PF/C type role and might have been able to showcase better the skill set he'll be required to have as a SF in the NBA. Remember, Omar too though the was just going to collect his pay and learn at the pro level and he did for two years but never saw a second contract. We want Moe to get a second contract. Besides his physical attributes and drive I don't think he's shown enough as of now to prove he's assured of one. That's all many are saying. A few are borderline bitter at worst but I haven't seen any haters.
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The difference is that Omar did not have the discipline to improve in College or in the pros while Mo is a terrific young man who will work hard to overcome the weaknesses that he could have developed if he had stayed another year. Perhaps you recall Omar punching opposing players in their groin area twice during his season with STJ and his coaches doing basically nothing about it. I remember writing on here at the time that at the least he should have been immediately benched for the remainder of the game regardless of the affect on the outcome. Of course the Jarvii would never do that and Omar was allowed to continue completely undisciplined and, frankly, it showed in his game. It carried over to the pros where he failed. That won't happen to Mo, even though I think Mo could develop a lot more with a second year at STJ playing his natural position on a much deeper team than he will struggling for minutes in the pros.
 
Firestorm, agree Moe seems to be one of the real good guys. The only people questioning his academics are simply wondering if he's still taking classes or if he's headed off to train and get ready for pre-draft camps and evaluations since if he has hit the road the ship most definitely has sailed. And the only folks questioning his judgement, as I have been guilty of, think he could have vastly improved his stock and draft status and value of his first contract through one more year where he would not have been forced to play a PF/C type role and might have been able to showcase better the skill set he'll be required to have as a SF in the NBA. Remember, Omar too though the was just going to collect his pay and learn at the pro level and he did for two years but never saw a second contract. We want Moe to get a second contract. Besides his physical attributes and drive I don't think he's shown enough as of now to prove he's assured of one. That's all many are saying. A few are borderline bitter at worst but I haven't seen any haters.
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 No question, he's a bigger, better, stronger player with another year in college, especially surrounded by more talent that lets him play his true position. That part I get.

But the comparisons to Cook and the suggestions he'll be a flop seem over the top. I guess we'll see over the next couple of years, but everything I've seen from Moe and the people around him suggests he'll find a way to be successful.
 
Firestorm, agree Moe seems to be one of the real good guys. The only people questioning his academics are simply wondering if he's still taking classes or if he's headed off to train and get ready for pre-draft camps and evaluations since if he has hit the road the ship most definitely has sailed. And the only folks questioning his judgement, as I have been guilty of, think he could have vastly improved his stock and draft status and value of his first contract through one more year where he would not have been forced to play a PF/C type role and might have been able to showcase better the skill set he'll be required to have as a SF in the NBA. Remember, Omar too though the was just going to collect his pay and learn at the pro level and he did for two years but never saw a second contract. We want Moe to get a second contract. Besides his physical attributes and drive I don't think he's shown enough as of now to prove he's assured of one. That's all many are saying. A few are borderline bitter at worst but I haven't seen any haters.
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My memory is that Omar ran into a perfect storm. Drafted by one GM in the second round and then that GM was replaced and new GM wanted to build a different kind of team. Also think that Omar got played by bad advisors and a coach who was building toward a fight with all of NY basketball, a fight he couldn't win.

I want Moe backi but suspect that there is someone sitting on a first round pick who will see Moe's baby face and figure there may be another inch or two of growth left in that very agile young man and that could reaally be something. 
 
If Moe is drafted high and does well in the NBA, it helps the St John's program.

Hoping that he crashes and burns is akin to rooting against St John's in regards to their ability to sign top 10, one-and-done type potential recruits.

The NBA draft is based on potential. Moe has tremendous upside.

Are the one-and-dones good for college basketball? No. Are they good for the NBA? No? It is what it is.

As St John's fans, we should be rooting like hell that Moe succeeds on the next level.
 
I don't think anyone is rooting against Harkless. I do think many, including myself, think he made a very poor decision; there is a big difference. I hope I am wrong because I have nothing but respect for the kid but my opinion is my opinion, has nothing to do with rooting against him.
 
I don't think anyone is rooting against Harkless. I do think many, including myself, think he made a very poor decision; there is a big difference. I hope I am wrong because I have nothing but respect for the kid but my opinion is my opinion, has nothing to do with rooting against him.
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I agree. No redmen fan will be rooting against Moe. The concern is if he drops to the second round he has no bargaining power and if he is signed by a team he may only earn the minimum of around $480,000. Nice salary for a 19 year old but if he stayed and excelled next year he could be a top 15 pick and earn 3X $480K. Over 4 years that amounts to more than $4 million in lost income........if he slips into the second round.
With more players about to commit early, he is very close to dropping to the bottom of the first round. If goes to round 2, he made a very bad decision.
it is as simple as that.
 
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