Any more talk of moe staying or going?

 http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

looks weak.
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The 2013 list will change radically by March 2013. No way Kyle Anderson is not going to be 1st round!!!
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Still will be weaker than this year's draft.
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Most definitely! But having watched Kyle play a dozen times I will say that a 6'8 point forward in the NBA with great passing and ball handling will make him a top 15 unless he has a career meltdown at UCLA. If he were coming out this year out of high school I would draft him ahead of Moe in a heartbeat.
 
I think Moe is going to be closer to the 15th pick this year than he will be to the second round.

His stock is going to soar after he visits teams for individual workouts. Moe is going to wow teams with his length, talent and intelligence.

He is a special player with a very high ceiling and (in homage to the recently departed Jay) NO TATTOOS which is impressive enough!

If all goes well, JaKaar Sampson could also go pro after one season of college ball.

In the long run, the early exits will help St John's recruiting efforts. Recruits want to play for coaches that are going to get them to the next level—and fast.
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Andrew, he now closer to the 30th pick. Individual workouts may not impress GM's and coaches as much as game film on his demeanor during games and he will not gain any strenght in the next 4 weeks! I see him slipping on thin ice. A very bad decision by most people that have watched him closely.
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I'm keepin' the faith.
 
Dinkins, I am curious to your overall opinion of his decision at this point (knowing he is dropping). You say he won't come back, and I agree, but do you think at this point it is really a huge mistake. Also, what do you think his reasoning is for going even of he will potentially be a 2nd rounder? 
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I think he should've came back for one more season. IMO, I think he could've ended up being a top 3-5 pick a season from now, if he were to come back. There are a few things, that has already been expounded several times on here, in which he needs to work on.

Is it a mistake for him to leave? If he ends up being a top 15-25 pick, then I guess he made the right decision based on a financial standpoint. If he ends up getting drafted in the second round, then it'll certainly look like he made the wrong decision. He'll have to work hard, if he goes in the second round. I'm not saying, he isn't a hard worker, but he'll have to work that much harder.

I heard Harkless could grow to 6'9" or 6'10". Maybe, he views himself as a hybrid forward (small and power). I don't know! I just wished he had waited before making a decision. Then, again he probably had made his decision before our season was over.

It doesn't take much for these kids to leave nowadays. If they hear there is a chance (regardless, how small or large) they can go in the first round, then they'll bolt.

Hell! James McAdoo is contemplating bolting. A kid who only averaged 6.1 ppg and 3.9 rpg; has only led the team in scoring in two games this season (albeit, in the NCAA tourney versus Vermont and Kansas); never led the team in in rebounding; nor was he a starter (only started 3 games this season).... But, he's contemplating on heading to the NBA.

Guess what? He's projected to go higher than his UNC counterparts--Barnes, Marshall and Henson--who has entered the draft early. Guys who has done way more in college than McAdoo. Quite frankly, I think McAdoo will be better than all of those guys (in the long run), but he should certainly return to school.

The NBA is all about potential, and that is what scouts and GMs see in guys like Harkelss. I hope he goes rather high in the draft and have a long, prosperous career. But, I wished he had waited another season before making the leap.
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I agree on McAdoo, especially since his father is cousins with the great Bob McAdoo.
 
Dinkins, I am curious to your overall opinion of his decision at this point (knowing he is dropping). You say he won't come back, and I agree, but do you think at this point it is really a huge mistake. Also, what do you think his reasoning is for going even of he will potentially be a 2nd rounder? 
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I think he should've came back for one more season. IMO, I think he could've ended up being a top 3-5 pick a season from now, if he were to come back. There are a few things, that has already been expounded several times on here, in which he needs to work on.

Is it a mistake for him to leave? If he ends up being a top 15-25 pick, then I guess he made the right decision based on a financial standpoint. If he ends up getting drafted in the second round, then it'll certainly look like he made the wrong decision. He'll have to work hard, if he goes in the second round. I'm not saying, he isn't a hard worker, but he'll have to work that much harder.

I heard Harkless could grow to 6'9" or 6'10". Maybe, he views himself as a hybrid forward (small and power). I don't know! I just wished he had waited before making a decision. Then, again he probably had made his decision before our season was over.

It doesn't take much for these kids to leave nowadays. If they hear there is a chance (regardless, how small or large) they can go in the first round, then they'll bolt.

Hell! James McAdoo is contemplating bolting. A kid who only averaged 6.1 ppg and 3.9 rpg; has only led the team in scoring in two games this season (albeit, in the NCAA tourney versus Vermont and Kansas); never led the team in in rebounding; nor was he a starter (only started 3 games this season).... But, he's contemplating on heading to the NBA.

Guess what? He's projected to go higher than his UNC counterparts--Barnes, Marshall and Henson--who has entered the draft early. Guys who has done way more in college than McAdoo. Quite frankly, I think McAdoo will be better than all of those guys (in the long run), but he should certainly return to school.

The NBA is all about potential, and that is what scouts and GMs see in guys like Harkelss. I hope he goes rather high in the draft and have a long, prosperous career. But, I wished he had waited another season before making the leap.
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Thanks, agree with you on all fronts. It is about potential, which he has. The thing is, there are so many guys that have potential, so it will be interesting to see what unfolds.
 
 So it's hopefully late first round pick this year or potential Big East POY, All-American, lottery pick next year. What's the rush? 
 
 So it's hopefully late first round pick this year or potential Big East POY, All-American, lottery pick next year. What's the rush? 
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Your post is far too logical.
It all depends on who is advising you and what is their immediate interest.
 
 So it's hopefully late first round pick this year or potential Big East POY, All-American, lottery pick next year. What's the rush? 
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Your post is far too logical.
It all depends on who is advising you and what is their immediate interest.
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Cash runs the process Do not .wait for a possible.injury If the mo money is there Run baby run
 
 Wait did he hire an agent or not? The first round is filling up with alot of similiar players that skill sets right now are far more polished than mo???
 
After watching so many players that will be competing against Moe in the tourney, I really don't see him going until late 1st round. If he's ok with that they good luck man. Wonder what the money differential is between a 15 vs 25.
 
salary is a sliding scale from $4 mill for number 1 pick down to $850K for 30th pick.
4 year deal with 2 years guaranteed and team option for last 2 years.
Numbers can be increased or decreased by up to 20% in negotiations.
Last guy picked in 1st round would have guaranteed $1.7 million, plus or minus 20% 
 
 i dont see him changing his mind and staying at this point. he has made a decision and I think he is just gone.
 
this early leaving for the NBA is primarily do to fear of injury ( SJU --W. berry ) and to a lesser extent the family
needs the money. The simple solutions is for those who need a year or 2 more--a million or more insurance policy to cover a bad injury to the player.
 
this early leaving for the NBA is primarily due to possible injury to the player (SJU w. berry ) and to a lesser extent the the family needs the money. One solution for players who need 1 or 2 years more to develop--- for the school
to cover the player with a million or more accident insurance policy./
 
 So it's hopefully late first round pick this year or potential Big East POY, All-American, lottery pick next year. What's the rush? 
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Your post is far too logical.
It all depends on who is advising you and what is their immediate interest.
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HE HAS A VERY BIG UPSIDE .Perhaps star. quality


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In looking at the mock draft, what I find interesting is that the BE Player of the Year, Crowdwer of Marquette is a senior and is so far below Moe, as is Kevin Jones. I did not realize this. So I can understand Moe's reasoning now more than before. 
 
so i only got to actually watch six or seven games this year. is Moe as good as many are indicating? I have trouble with the "potential" line because Barkley and Cook both had "potential" and they didn't really get very far. Ron Ron was a different animal. I think he was already built for the NBA when he left.
 
so i only got to actually watch six or seven games this year. is Moe as good as many are indicating? I have trouble with the "potential" line because Barkley and Cook both had "potential" and they didn't really get very far. Ron Ron was a different animal. I think he was already built for the NBA when he left.
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and i ask because I didn't get to see the Duke or Providence game...in fact Harrison seemed to be more in control of the games I did get to see.
 
Buckethead, to try and answer your question quickly. Is Moe as good as people are indicating? Yes and No. He has great athleticism, his ability to get off the floor is insane, and his rebounding is excellent, sometimes he grabs balls I didn't think he had a chance at. However, he is inconsistent. I also personally don't think he really gives it his all, all the time. He kind of goes in stages. Sometimes I thought he was too passive, and other times I thought he was too selfish. He is very lean, and doesn't have a good enough outside shot to be a 3, but there is no doubt he is physically gifted/talented.  
 
Buckethead, to try and answer your question quickly. Is Moe as good as people are indicating? Yes and No. He has great athleticism, his ability to get off the floor is insane, and his rebounding is excellent, sometimes he grabs balls I didn't think he had a chance at. However, he is inconsistent. I also personally don't think he really gives it his all, all the time. He kind of goes in stages. Sometimes I thought he was too passive, and other times I thought he was too selfish. He is very lean, and doesn't have a good enough outside shot to be a 3, but there is no doubt he is physically gifted/talented.  
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The really good athletes are so smooth and graceful that at times they appear not be trying hard
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