Alumni Game / Midnight Madness

Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
 
Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
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I wasn't there, but your post is on point, based on the rest of your post.

Some folks don't know the meaning of the word "thug." Unless, that is "code talk." Frankly, some of y'all, as you believe Dave East should do, should also STFU.
 
Not sure about midnight madness but I know there are strict rules for the spring concert that the school usually has every year. Performers are not allowed to curse. It’s under their contract but the spring concert is run by the Haraya the African American student organization on campus.
 
I don’t think the administration could have foreseen what happened. That said. I wish thes entertainers would keep their mouths shut. I don’t give a rats arse about their political views. Also about 50 percent of the country voted for trump. These entertainers could loose fans because of these views. Sad.
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Rich, I disagree that the administration could not foresee what happened. Please do an internet search for some of the lyrics to this rappers songs. I would not copy here as they are probably offensive and are inappropriate. Now I am not preaching censorship but this does not belong at an event sponsored by a private Catholic school. He can rap his hate elsewhere. That is unless you believe that racism, sexism, etc. are consistent with the school's mission statement. Somehow, I don't think so.

I have contacted alumni relations (e:mail alumnirelations@stjohns.edu.. If you are an alum feel free to contact them. I want to hear their response/
 
Good points, panther2. Nugent's and Kid Rock's rhetoric and behavior--and all behavior like that--must be condemned.
 
Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
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So much bs in this post I don't know where to begin. Don't act like Dave East is some upstanding citizen. His very lyrics are loaded with vulgarity. A simple google will reveal all. Again he is free to say or sing or rap whatever he wants. However, it doesn't belong at a private Catholic school event. Second, I could care less that it was Trump asking to give the middle finger is a vulgar display of hate. Last I looked Ted Nugent and Kid Rock were not at St John's last night. Stop trying to deflect, two wrongs do not make it right.
 
They were probably more concerned over students being called to run onto court like last year.

Even if there was a clause in contract, I can't imagine this gig pays all that much money. The publicity might be worth more than the check for up and coming performers.

Agree it wasn't right, but let's be honest... there's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of 0 F-bombs and bad bad language, comments, terms dropped by students, administrators etc. on campus every day.
 
Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
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I can't speak for anyone else on here, but in my case it has nothing to do with East's views and everything to do with his words and actions last night. I didn't use the word "thug", however I found this interesting article by a young black man on the "thug" persona:

 
So much ignorance in this thread it’s sad.

First off, calling somebody a “Thug” when he hasn’t committed a crime in his life seems to come off as racially bigoted instead of an accurate portrayal of the person himself. Just seems that the “thug” label has been broadened recently and that’s not cool at all. I ask you Redmen posters this ( and maybe white America in general), what defines a thug? Committing a crime? Dave east hasn’t committed one, Is it wearing tattoos? Then I better stop seeing you guys praising Shamorie Ponds or Marvin Clarke. Is it saying something negative towards another person? ( similar to what Dave East did), then you guys better have that same energy towards Donald Trump himself ( making fun of a handicapped person during a campaign rally), towards Eminem ( BET Cypher) or finally any other Caucasian American that has attacked someone verbally ( Asher Roth, Macklemore, Mac Miller,lil Dickey, etc).

Or finally, is it a person who acts up from societal norm standards? If we’re using this logic, then EVERYBODY has thug moments and we all should be calling each other thugs then ( but I have a strong belief that this isn’t the case).

You guys are using that word loosely without very clear consistency and as a African -American, that is very annoying and so unfair. It’s like what Richard Sherman ( Stanford Educated Cornerback for Seattle) said, it seems you guys are using “thug” because America’s racial antecedent treatment towards blacks have made the word N*****r socially inadmissible. As a fan of Dave East the only thing he’s been guilty of, was blowing his basketball scholarship ( University of Richmond) so he could protect his brother who was about to be killed in Harlem ( seems very un-thug like to me).


At the end we are all connected by our love for SJU basketball or the University ( so I don’t have any hate for any of you guys) . But you posters need to chill with the recklessness.


BTW: I don’t think our small catholic private university is big enough to make Fox News. So I wouldn’t worry.
 
Yeah, I mean he's so misunderstood. Just a little sample in his own words. So you know, I don't miss the meaning.

 
... turning this discussion back to basketball introductions, I was disappointed that Mullin would allow one player to be introduced in a manner separate from his teammates, wearing a crown, cape, and carrying a ceremonial staff.

The point is, in my opinion all teammates would be introduced in the same manner and no player should wear a crown particularly someone who is not a a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Big East all team member.

Distinguishing team members does little to create team unity.
 
... turning this discussion back to basketball introductions, I was disappointed that Mullin would allow one player to be introduced in a manner separate from his teammates, wearing a crown, cape, and carrying a ceremonial staff.

The point is, in my opinion all teammates would be introduced in the same manner and no player should wear a crown particularly someone who is not a a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Big East all team member.

Distinguishing team members does little to create team unity.
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Otis, honestly I didn't see anything wrong with it. I always look at the MM as a night for the team to have fun with the students. I get they are kids. I mean after this night its all business I guess.
 
... turning this discussion back to basketball introductions, I was disappointed that Mullin would allow one player to be introduced in a manner separate from his teammates, wearing a crown, cape, and carrying a ceremonial staff.

The point is, in my opinion all teammates would be introduced in the same manner and no player should wear a crown particularly someone who is not a a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Big East all team member.

Distinguishing team members does little to create team unity.
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Maybe it was by design, but my take on the event was that it was very poorly planned and haphazardly executed. Putting aside all of the political BS, after the introductions of the players I would have liked to have seen them take the court and show some semblance of seriousness and unity. They could have saved the antics for another time. As a long suffering SJU fan, it would have been nice to get a small taste of what we can expect from this team(or maybe we did). Not saying that should have been playing pressure D or diving for loose balls, but just saying that I could have done without the half court shots and all the other shenanigans.
 
Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
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So much bs in this post I don't know where to begin. Don't act like Dave East is some upstanding citizen. His very lyrics are loaded with vulgarity. A simple google will reveal all. Again he is free to say or sing or rap whatever he wants. However, it doesn't belong at a private Catholic school event. Second, I could care less that it was Trump asking to give the middle finger is a vulgar display of hate. Last I looked Ted Nugent and Kid Rock were not at St John's last night. Stop trying to deflect, two wrongs do not make it right.
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No Bullshit, Real Shit. I agreed that what happened last night was totally inappropriate. I am glad that my wife took our granddaughter home before his performance.

My problem was with the labeling by some posters. If you had just stated that the performance was was not appropriate for a Catholic University, I would have been in total agreement. Let's not be naive, we all know that thug is just another way to Call someone a "N----R".

In the future, I think you should read posts to understand what is being said instead of trying to respond.
 
They were probably more concerned over students being called to run onto court like last year.

Even if there was a clause in contract, I can't imagine this gig pays all that much money. The publicity might be worth more than the check for up and coming performers.

Agree it wasn't right, but let's be honest... there's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of 0 F-bombs and bad bad language, comments, terms dropped by students, administrators etc. on campus every day.
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The spring concert runs up to 100k with security and flying/lodging for the performers. Not sure about midnight madness
 
Much of this thread reminds me of the woman outside the terminal at LaGuardia who tried to direct my attention to the two guys fighting a hundred feet away. When I backed away from her before looking at the two men, she knew that I knew, and the only question was whether both of them were her sons.
 
Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
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So much bs in this post I don't know where to begin. Don't act like Dave East is some upstanding citizen. His very lyrics are loaded with vulgarity. A simple google will reveal all. Again he is free to say or sing or rap whatever he wants. However, it doesn't belong at a private Catholic school event. Second, I could care less that it was Trump asking to give the middle finger is a vulgar display of hate. Last I looked Ted Nugent and Kid Rock were not at St John's last night. Stop trying to deflect, two wrongs do not make it right.
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No Bullshit, Real Shit. I agreed that what happened last night was totally inappropriate. I am glad that my wife took our granddaughter home before his performance.

My problem was with the labeling by some posters. If you had just stated that the performance was was not appropriate for a Catholic University, I would have been in total agreement. Let's not be naive, we all know that thug is just another way to Call someone a "N----R".

In the future, I think you should read posts to understand what is being said instead of trying to respond.
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Sorry but you are looking for things not there. Happy to hear that your granddaughter was not subjected to some of the lyrics. As a man with a granddaughter I will believe that you can understand that the song "Give it to her" is not an appropriate song. Please check out the lyrics and I don't think you would like her asking you "grandpa what does that mean". However, there were plenty of other young people there.

I think you should become better acquainted with the lyrics. I also believe the use of the word N----- is a demeaning and offensive word. It is all over Mr. East's lyrics. I am not sure why that does not offend everyone. It does not and should not reflect Catholic values no matter who is saying them. I think you should read to understand that this is not about Ted Nugent, Donald Trump or anyone else but Mr. East giving the finger as if this is acceptable in this setting. Sorry it is not.
 
what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.
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said Panther2, implying that anyone who disagrees with him is a racist.
 
I thought what occurred last night was inappropriate, disappointing and embarrassing for the university.

That said, as I have mentioned several times on this board, the irony of Trump supporters crying about inappropriateness is beyond laughable.
 
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