Alumni Game / Midnight Madness

[monte]

I thought what occurred last night was inappropriate, disappointing and embarrassing for the university.

That said, as I have mentioned several times on this board, the irony of Trump supporters crying about inappropriateness is beyond laughable.

So you cant understand the concept of supporting the President but not condoning some of his words and actions? They are not mutually exclusive.

I will always respect the office of the President of the United States, which is why I have a problem with last night's event. I realize this may be exactly your point.

Overall, I do find it funny (ironic) when people who voted for Trump weigh in on appropriateness.

I voted for Trump and so did many others on the board. You think it’s funny if we give our opinion on appropriateness or is that only reserved for Democrats. But, I get your point, the Clintons are the epitimy of appropriateness.. I guess you found my post on pg. 11 funny ( ironic).

People can say what they will about the Clintons, but neither one ever stooped so low as to believing it was appropriate -- no, make that funny -- to mimic a disabled reporter.

Getting a blow job from a 20 year old intern in the oval office is pretty low if you ask me. Inserting a cigar in her vagina is a close 2nd.

 

[fun]

People can say what they will about the Clintons, but neither one ever stooped so low as to believing it was appropriate -- no, make that funny -- to mimic a disabled reporter.

Conversely Trump never stooped so low as to murder Vince Foster.

 

[Class of 72]

Dave East, a college educated young man, who happens to be a rapper said "F--K Trump" and some are calling him a thug. I agree that last night's event was not the appropriate place to express his personal feelings.

Now just a reminder, two entertainers, Ted Nugent and Kid Rock, who said that then President Obama should be shot were invited to the White House by President Trump. Are they "thugs" also? Or is this a term only associated with Blacks? I will say again that I am disappointed that Dave East used last night's event to talk about Trump, what disturbs me more is how quick some on here are to label those whose views are not in alliance with their own.

So much bs in this post I don't know where to begin. Don't act like Dave East is some upstanding citizen. His very lyrics are loaded with vulgarity. A simple google will reveal all. Again he is free to say or sing or rap whatever he wants. However, it doesn't belong at a private Catholic school event. Second, I could care less that it was Trump asking to give the middle finger is a vulgar display of hate. Last I looked Ted Nugent and Kid Rock were not at St John's last night. Stop trying to deflect, two wrongs do not make it right.

No Bullshit, Real Shit. I agreed that what happened last night was totally inappropriate. I am glad that my wife took our granddaughter home before his performance.

My problem was with the labeling by some posters. If you had just stated that the performance was was not appropriate for a Catholic University, I would have been in total agreement. Let's not be naive, we all know that thug is just another way to Call someone a "N----R".

In the future, I think you should read posts to understand what is being said instead of trying to respond.

Panther, thank you for your involvement in SJU activities and your support of the program. I am also grateful that none of the alums had cardiac arrest during their scrimmage.
As a fellow old timer who has been involved with younger fans over the years I found nothing unusual or not en vogue with last night's festivities. Hip hop crosses racial and ethnic lines today and it is what it is. Vulgarity is the main method to get the message across. That said, if the brothas get defensive with terms like nigga and thug they have themselves to blame for making the terms "mainstream" for young kids to use when they are together.
A quarter century ago Tupac coined the term "thug life" and freely used the term nigga. While seemingly comfortable with blacks using the terms, some blacks resent it when used by their biggest fans....white kids. You know and I know thug is not synonymous with n**ger. It is synonymous with a not so nice pr8ck like the high school bully ot Donald Trump. So, while you are a great fan, getting "racial" on a fellow fan for using the term diminishes your sense of fairness here.
On Friday filmmaker Alexander Payne told the Press Association that Weinstein was a “bully and a thug” who was “asking for” his downfall. I doubt that he was referring to Harry as a n**ger.
Let's discuss the basketball aspect of the festivities and leave the kids to their language customs alone here.

 

[mjmaherjr]

What's more appalling. Dave Easts comments or our defense last year ?

 

[Andrew]

Anyone on here who has better seats then me and wants to give up their tickets I would be happy to take them off your hands.

 

[fun]

I ask you Redmen posters this ( and maybe white America in general), what defines a thug?

You're in luck, I'm not only a Redman poster but this is my week to be the spokes[strike]man[/strike]person for white america in general. Assuming that you're the spokesthug for black america in general I think we can have a meaningful conversation that may well advance race relations in this country into the 20th century.

Committing a crime?

No. Bernie Madoff committed a crime and he is not a thug

Is it wearing tattoos?

No, Cher has tattoos and she's an Academy Award winner. If you're calling the star of Moonstruck a thug we're going to have to settle this outside.

Is it saying something negative towards another person?

No, Don Rickles said a bunch of negative things towards a bunch of people and he's not a thug, he's an insult comic. Me as well, I talk shit about everyone all the time and I'm continually assured that it's because I got my lunch money stolen when I was in the fourth grade. Which is the opposite of thuggish.

Or finally, is it a person who acts up from societal norm standards?

Yeah, no, it's not. Oscar Wilde acted differently from "societal norm standards" (societal norms? societal standards? normal standards? standards? norms? why use one words when three will do, I'm guessing you have a graduate degree) which acting differently ended him up in prison and he was about the direct opposite of a thug. As was Gandhi, who also acted differently from societal norms and he wasn't a thug, this despite the fact that the word thug derives from tuggee, a hindi word meaning deceivers that referred to a criminal organization that terrorized the Indian subcontinent for six centuries and he was Indian.

So anyway are those the only options? Crime, tattoos, negative words, and acting weird? Because I think thug is like porn, I know one when I see one. Like Sam Gravano, he was a thug. And Jimmy Burke, he was a thug, and Eric Devendorf he was one. And Marvin Barnes was one, and Lemuel Smith. On the other hand Bill Cosby is not a thug, and he's perhaps a criminal who some ignorant people might call (as my boon companion spells it) a "N-----R." And on the other hand some ignorant people might call Oprah the N word but no one would call her a thug. See? Words are hard, aren't they, especially when you're being distracted by dog whistles.

You guys are using that word loosely without very clear consistency and as a African -American, that is very annoying and so unfair.

Here we can agree. As the spokesperson for white america I can assure you that people using words loosely is very annoying and unfair. Words that I find annoying and unfair when they're used loosely are "racist," "nazi," and "white supremacist." Also it drives me crazy when people confuse comprise and compose. And when people spell lose "loose" I want to run amok.

It’s like what Richard Sherman ( Stanford Educated Cornerback for Seattle) said, it seems you guys are using “thug” because America’s racial antecedent treatment towards blacks have made the word N*****r socially inadmissible. As a fan of Dave East the only thing he’s been guilty of, was blowing his basketball scholarship ( University of Richmond) so he could protect his brother who was about to be killed in Harlem ( seems very un-thug like to me).

I'm not familar with this Dave East fellow, but I'd wonder whether his brother was being threatened by thugs and if not who he was being threatened by and if so how he protected him? Was it with a gun? Or did he merely act outside of societal normal standards. Do tell.

 

[monte]

I ask you Redmen posters this ( and maybe white America in general), what defines a thug?

You're in luck, I'm not only a Redman poster but this is my week to be the spokes[strike]man[/strike]person for white america in general. Assuming that you're the spokesthug for black america in general I think we can have a meaningful conversation that may well advance race relations in this country into the 20th century.

Committing a crime?

No. Bernie Madoff committed a crime and he is not a thug

Is it wearing tattoos?

No, Cher has tattoos and she's an Academy Award winner. If you're calling the star of Moonstruck a thug we're going to have to settle this outside.

Is it saying something negative towards another person?

No, Don Rickles said a bunch of negative things towards a bunch of people and he's not a thug, he's an insult comic. Me as well, I talk shit about everyone all the time and I'm continually assured that it's because I got my lunch money stolen when I was in the fourth grade. Which is the opposite of thuggish.

Or finally, is it a person who acts up from societal norm standards?

Yeah, no, it's not. Oscar Wilde acted differently from "societal norm standards" (societal norms? societal standards? normal standards? standards? norms? why use one words when three will do, I'm guessing you have a graduate degree) which acting differently ended him up in prison and he was about the direct opposite of a thug. As was Gandhi, who also acted differently from societal norms and he wasn't a thug, this despite the fact that the word thug derives from tuggee, a hindi word meaning deceivers that referred to a criminal organization that terrorized the Indian subcontinent for six centuries and he was Indian.

So anyway are those the only options? Crime, tattoos, negative words, and acting weird? Because I think thug is like porn, I know one when I see one. Like Sam Gravano, he was a thug. And Jimmy Burke, he was a thug, and Eric Devendorf he was one. And Marvin Barnes was one, and Lemuel Smith. On the other hand Bill Cosby is not a thug, and he's perhaps a criminal who some ignorant people might call (as my boon companion spells it) a "N-----R." And on the other hand some ignorant people might call Oprah the N word but no one would call her a thug. See? Words are hard, aren't they, especially when you're being distracted by dog whistles.

You guys are using that word loosely without very clear consistency and as a African -American, that is very annoying and so unfair.

Here we can agree. As the spokesperson for white america I can assure you that people using words loosely is very annoying and unfair. Words that I find annoying and unfair when they're used loosely are "racist," "nazi," and "white supremacist." Also it drives me crazy when people confuse comprise and compose. And when people spell lose "loose" I want to run amok.

It’s like what Richard Sherman ( Stanford Educated Cornerback for Seattle) said, it seems you guys are using “thug” because America’s racial antecedent treatment towards blacks have made the word N*****r socially inadmissible. As a fan of Dave East the only thing he’s been guilty of, was blowing his basketball scholarship ( University of Richmond) so he could protect his brother who was about to be killed in Harlem ( seems very un-thug like to me).

I'm not familar with this Dave East fellow, but I'd wonder whether his brother was being threatened by thugs and if not who he was being threatened by and if so how he protected him? Was it with a gun? Or did he merely act outside of societal normal standards. Do tell.

No mention of his brother in this lengthy article about his high school and college years:
http://www.slamonline.com/media/sla...r-kevin-durant-interview/#7r28RBJBoXPLbwJ4.97

 

[Spocky Ramone]

Is it wearing tattoos?

No, Cher has tattoos and she's an Academy Award winner. If you're calling the star of Moonstruck a thug we're going to have to settle this outside.

Well, she was, shall we say, unladylike in “Mask”

Or finally, is it a person who acts up from societal norm standards?

Yeah, no, it's not. Oscar Wilde acted differently from "societal norm standards" (societal norms? societal standards? normal standards? standards? norms? why use one words when three will do, I'm guessing you have a graduate degree) which acting differently ended him up in prison and he was about the direct opposite of a thug.

If Oscar was born 140 years later, he’d not only avoid the clink, but guest star on “Will & Grace”

As was Gandhi, who also acted differently from societal norms and he wasn't a thug, this despite the fact that the word thug derives from tuggee, a hindi word meaning deceivers that referred to a criminal organization that terrorized the Indian subcontinent for six centuries and he was Indian.

So you’re saying that a thug is a Caucasian who is also a person of color?

You guys are using that word loosely without very clear consistency and as a African -American, that is very annoying and so unfair.

Here we can agree. As the spokesperson for white america I can assure you that people using words loosely is very annoying and unfair. Words that I find annoying and unfair when they're used loosely are "racist," "nazi," and "white supremacist." Also it drives me crazy when people confuse comprise and compose. And when people spell lose "loose" I want to run amok.

You’re the spokesindividual only because Billy Mays died. And Vince from Shamwow is getting closer in the rear view mirror. Of course, everyone seemed fine with the previous spokesman for “white America”, Senator Robert Byrd (D).

And don’t get Fun started on “supposedly” versus “supposably”

 

[ErickTheRed]

Smh obviously you know very little

 

[Las Vegan]

I read through most of the posts on this topic, and I think we have reached a point where we should discontinue Midnight Madness. It's no longer about basketball.

 

[L J S A]

I'm sure there are people out there who still use the word "thug" the way it's actually defined in the dictionary. But there seem to be a lot more people who use it as a code word these days.

Honestly, I'd have more respect for you if you just came out and used the N-word. I'd think you are a piece of shit racist asshole, but I'd still have more respect for you than I do for a piece of shit racist asshole who's also a pussy who hides behind a code word.

OK, I'm done with that part of the thread. But I am very interested in hearing whether people loudly chanted "We want Brown!"

 

[monte]

I'm sure there are people out there who still use the word "thug" the way it's actually defined in the dictionary. But there seem to be a lot more people who use it as a code word these days.

Honestly, I'd have more respect for you if you just came out and used the N-word. I'd think you are a piece of shit racist asshole, but I'd still have more respect for you than I do for a piece of shit racist asshole who's also a pussy who hides behind a code word.

OK, I'm done with that part of the thread. But I am very interested in hearing whether people loudly chanted "We want Brown!"

My guess is that there were probably only a handful of people in attendance who even know who Brown is.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

I read through most of the posts on this topic, and I think we have reached a point where we should discontinue Midnight Madness. It's no longer about basketball.

it was never about basketball, it’s always been about the Benjamins, or in SJU’s case, the jeffersons and roosevelts

 

[JohnnyFan]

I thought what occurred last night was inappropriate, disappointing and embarrassing for the university.

That said, as I have mentioned several times on this board, the irony of Trump supporters crying about inappropriateness is beyond laughable.

So you cant understand the concept of supporting the President but not condoning some of his words and actions? They are not mutually exclusive.

I will always respect the office of the President of the United States, which is why I have a problem with last night's event. I realize this may be exactly your point.

Overall, I do find it funny (ironic) when people who voted for Trump weigh in on appropriateness.

I asked if you can see how someone can support the president but not condone some of his words and actions.

In general, yes. But, at this point, I would think there have been enough offensive and just plain moronic comments to dissuade decent, intelligent conservative minded people from wanting him to run in 2020. I believe even Trump's own party will be looking to primary him.

 

[L J S A]

My guess is that there were probably only a handful of people in attendance who even know who Brown is.

Not what i wanted to hear.

 

[RedStormNC]

That shouldn't be surprising. Very few people follow HS recruiting, even within a fan base. With a crowd full of college kids, the already low %'s, would be incredibly low.

 

[Class of 72]

I'm sure there are people out there who still use the word "thug" the way it's actually defined in the dictionary. But there seem to be a lot more people who use it as a code word these days.

Honestly, I'd have more respect for you if you just came out and used the N-word. I'd think you are a piece of shit racist asshole, but I'd still have more respect for you than I do for a piece of shit racist asshole who's also a pussy who hides behind a code word.

OK, I'm done with that part of the thread. But I am very interested in hearing whether people loudly chanted "We want Brown!"

My guess is that there were probably only a handful of people in attendance who even know who Brown is.

You are correct! Because only half of the people in attendance were college basketball fans and half of them will never set foot inside the arena ever again. Hopefully the half that were there for the teams continue to support their fellow Johnnies.

 

[monte]

I'm sure there are people out there who still use the word "thug" the way it's actually defined in the dictionary. But there seem to be a lot more people who use it as a code word these days.

Honestly, I'd have more respect for you if you just came out and used the N-word. I'd think you are a piece of shit racist asshole, but I'd still have more respect for you than I do for a piece of shit racist asshole who's also a pussy who hides behind a code word.

OK, I'm done with that part of the thread. But I am very interested in hearing whether people loudly chanted "We want Brown!"

My guess is that there were probably only a handful of people in attendance who even know who Brown is.

You are correct! Because only half of the people in attendance were college basketball fans and half of them will never set foot inside the arena ever again. Hopefully the half that were there for the teams continue to support their fellow Johnnies.

Half were fans??? I think you're being very generous.

 

[Wolfie]

:lol:

 

[Wolfie]

It happens!