All Realignment Talk Here
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L J S A
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I agree, so we either pick up football really quickly, or St. John's and Villanova get together and start kissing ACC front office ass like there's no tomorrow to sell them on the virtues of an 18-team basketball league.
Do you think Rutgers would have been the ACC's first choice over UConn?
jerseyshorejohnny
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My big concern is what does this mean for Coach Lavin ??
With Syracuse, Pitt, UConn (potentially), and ND all jumping to The ACC, does he start to think this is not what he signed up for ? I think he could care less about Rutgers.
What does this mean for our games @ The Garden ?
The games we typically sold out, or were close to selling out were Syracuse and UConn (and to be be painfully, and I mean very painfully, honest it has been the Syracuse and UConn fan buying the majority of the tickets).
That said and IMO, we will still play The Orange every other year at The World's Most Famous Arena.
Would we still play The Huskies if they move to The ACC ? Do we want to ?
Do we get to a point where 10K is a "big" crowd for our Big East conference games ?
Is the Big East Tournament a shell of its former self ???
What is the impact, and my first reaction is that it can't be good, does this have on recruiting ?
Sorry to sound like a Cassandra this early on a Sunday morning. Maybe I need a cup of coffee !!
With Syracuse, Pitt, UConn (potentially), and ND all jumping to The ACC, does he start to think this is not what he signed up for ? I think he could care less about Rutgers.
What does this mean for our games @ The Garden ?
The games we typically sold out, or were close to selling out were Syracuse and UConn (and to be be painfully, and I mean very painfully, honest it has been the Syracuse and UConn fan buying the majority of the tickets).
That said and IMO, we will still play The Orange every other year at The World's Most Famous Arena.
Would we still play The Huskies if they move to The ACC ? Do we want to ?
Do we get to a point where 10K is a "big" crowd for our Big East conference games ?
Is the Big East Tournament a shell of its former self ???
What is the impact, and my first reaction is that it can't be good, does this have on recruiting ?
Sorry to sound like a Cassandra this early on a Sunday morning. Maybe I need a cup of coffee !!
The rumor over the past 72 hours is that the University of Maryland is heading to the Big Ten. Fans of lightweight RUTgers claim that ifMaryland leaves then they will be annointed to join either the ACC or Big Ten.
If the Big Ten offers Maryland then Maryland's response is a no brainer because of the additional revenue from various sources plus the BTN and the added prestige of membership in the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. If Maryland elects to move then that move must occur before the $50M exit fee goes into effect.
If the Big Ten offers Maryland then Maryland's response is a no brainer because of the additional revenue from various sources plus the BTN and the added prestige of membership in the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. If Maryland elects to move then that move must occur before the $50M exit fee goes into effect.
jerseyshorejohnny
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I would agree.
Think the ACC would very much like to maintain the Syracuse/G'Town rivalry if it works for them.
Also, and you can take this FWIW, but it fits in with their "spin" of taking schools with high academic profiles.
ND, Pitt, Syracuse, Miami, Va. Tech, and BC, for example, are all in the top 50 (or real close to it) in the U.S. News rankings.
G'Town is not only an elite school it is a national brand.
A G'Town/ND rivalry would also be attractive.
jrhoops1949
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If BE only lost Rutgers it would still be a good league with Msg tourny contract. If the league is going to be torn apart, I bail for stability. If leagues were to merge, no one gets left behind. That would be interesting outcome rivelry wise. How to splint money might be the challange.
jerseyshorejohnny
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Is that a rhetorical question ??
All kidding aside, I would leap, in half a heart beat, to The ACC.
If G'Town goes, and I am getting way, way ahead of myself, it's a no brainer.
Would think this is what Coach Lavin would prefer.
The Big East we all loved is no more.
L J S A
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At this rate, the BE we all loved will be in the ACC. I agree: No-brainer.
If you are a St. John's fan, you need to pray that Maryland leaves, and then two more (Va. Tech? FSU?) jump ship to the SEC. That would open up a 16 basketball/12 football. And it would be the best basketball conference in the country.
I'd feel bad leaving Providence and Seton Hall high and dry, but at some point we'd need to do what best for St. John's. No one else has been loyal.
Below is purely hypothetical. Who wouldn't sign up for that?
North
ND | BC | Syracuse | Pitt | UConn | Georgetown | Villanova | St. John's
South
Duke | UNC | WF | Virginia | Clemson | N.C. St. | Ga. Tech | Miami
On the news the other night the reporter noted that Rutgers was also a possible addition to the Big Ten along with Maryland as he joked that would make it the Big 14 and asked if they would be changing their name/
If that happens, the ACC will be looking to add another school, probably a football school and not just a basketball school. If that is so, it obviously leaves us in the cold. They could then look to UCONN which has already flirted with the ACC. That leaves us in a BE that is beginning to look more and more like a mid-major. It will hurt recruiting and hurt our success. I dont like it but it is a fact. So if by some miracle the ACC wanted to add a basketball only school, St Johns should run for the door and go. The only attraction and I add only attraction would be adding MSG which is our home court away from home for ACC teams. It gives them the final piece of the pie in grabbing the New York media circus. At that point and I would say some years down the road, an ACC tournament in MSG could become a reality. (it still might even without us)
I know this is for the sake of conversation... I just don't think this would ever happen. This is not about basketball. This is about money and football. We don't and probably never will have football. My guess is we will always be aligned with G'town, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette etc. who don't have football. Their are other schools out there that do not have football maybe a St Joe's (for arguments sake) that will evenually be included in what will be the new alignment. I don't see any way the ACC or any other conference looks for basketball schools.
SJUhoopNUT
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If we lose G'town as a bball only then we are in big trouble. I can see ACC reaching out to them, but if they do we have to do the best we can to align ourselves with G'town and try to make it a package deal.
It could work.
It could work.
tom in salem
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It's the small fish big pond theory.
Rutgers to the B1G will be the equivalent of BC to the ACC.
Guaranteed money every year but never a factor athletically.
Watch what you wish for.
Rutgers to the B1G will be the equivalent of BC to the ACC.
Guaranteed money every year but never a factor athletically.
Watch what you wish for.
Exactly.
The ACC isn't going to take St. John's. They're going to take a football school- Rutgers and/or UConn.
And please don't believe Aresco is shaking in his boots like some of you. He's just going to keep going west and taking top flight basketball teams looking to move to a power conference.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear UNLV joining the Big East soon. And I would gladly welcome them aboard. I'd rather watch UNLV vs. SJU rather than Rutgers vs. SJU any day of the week. Plus, it'd make a nice road trip
If UConn leaves, let's go after a team like Gonzaga. Not a sexy team/name but that's what this conference alignment is forcing us to do. Raid the best teams out west like the football conferences have done to us.
The Big East is not going anywhere. It will just expand with basketball schools replacing these football schools.
The ACC will become top heavy basketball-wise which is one of the reasons I don't want SJU there.
Yes!
They're done in football. Finished. History. You'll never hear of Rutgers football again unless it's in the context of some team scoring 100 points on them.
And basketball, they'll be worse than ever. At least in the Big East they had a fighting chance with some teams.
Don't panic folks. Just let it play itself out.
Agree that St. John's will not be offered, this is wild speculation. However it is interesting to see that
the ACC tying a huge bounty to members still will have defections, which they deserve. On the other hand it will have the trickle down effect and the Big East members will be clamoring for the bid. How pathetic.
How very pathetic.
the ACC tying a huge bounty to members still will have defections, which they deserve. On the other hand it will have the trickle down effect and the Big East members will be clamoring for the bid. How pathetic.
How very pathetic.
tom in salem
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Exactly.
The ACC isn't going to take St. John's. They're going to take a football school- Rutgers and/or UConn.
And please don't believe Aresco is shaking in his boots like some of you. He's just going to keep going west and taking top flight basketball teams looking to move to a power conference.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear UNLV joining the Big East soon. And I would gladly welcome them aboard. I'd rather watch UNLV vs. SJU rather than Rutgers vs. SJU any day of the week. Plus, it'd make a nice road trip
If UConn leaves, let's go after a team like Gonzaga. Not a sexy team/name but that's what this conference alignment is forcing us to do. Raid the best teams out west like the football conferences have done to us.
The Big East is not going anywhere. It will just expand with basketball schools replacing these football schools.
The ACC will become top heavy basketball-wise which is one of the reasons I don't want SJU there.
Finally the voice of reason.
There are plenty more basketball schools for the taking (Memphis and Temple were a great start)
BYU, Gonzaga, Xavier, Butler, Creighton, who are currently #13 in the nation, St. Louis and UMASS just to name a few.
The BE will never be what it was but I'd stack it up against most of the FB conferences any day (And no, I don't consider the ACC a football conference).
Just a matter of time before they lose Florida St. and Clemson.