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If Maryland goes, you can be certain FSU and Clemson likely to try to bail as well.
 
If Maryland goes, you can be certain FSU and Clemson likely to try to bail as well.
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And then just replace them with some combo of Memphis, UCONN, Cinci or Louisville? Everyone keeps on saying Louisville to the Big 12 - why wouldn't the ACC want Louisville in their conference? Why wouldn't the ACC want Memphis for the same reasons the Big East wants them? It seems like the Big 12 and ACC will have to act fast to grab the remaining few quality football/basketball schools that makes some geographic sense.

ACC basketball will be great no matter what. Their version of football will be what the Big East was in football lately; a distant second to the power conferences, but probably good enough to get some solid money. It seems doubtful there will be any more Big East Football, maybe some basterized version of it with eight teams or something.
 
For the sake of conversation, I am curious to how many of you would prefer if SJU joined the ACC versus staying pat in the Big East?
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Is that a rhetorical question ??

All kidding aside, I would leap, in half a heart beat, to The ACC.

If G'Town goes, and I am getting way, way ahead of myself, it's a no brainer.

Would think this is what Coach Lavin would prefer.

The Big East we all loved is no more.
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At this rate, the BE we all loved will be in the ACC. I agree: No-brainer.

If you are a St. John's fan, you need to pray that Maryland leaves, and then two more (Va. Tech? FSU?) jump ship to the SEC. That would open up a 16 basketball/12 football. And it would be the best basketball conference in the country.

I'd feel bad leaving Providence and Seton Hall high and dry, but at some point we'd need to do what best for St. John's. No one else has been loyal. ...
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Agree with both of you: it would be a no-brainer to leave a Big East that's in disarray and go to the ACC. But unfortunately I don't see the invitation coming.
 
While we are all having fun speculating how about this one:

Strike a deal with the West Coast Conference

Each league stays a stand alone conference.

Maybe each team in each league plays 2 -3 games with the other during the regular season (i.e. St. John's vs. BYU, Santa Clara and/or Gonzaga)

Hold a conference tournament at the end of the year.

However, this is where it can get sticky.

To be fair, one year it is at MSG, another year somewhere on The West Coast (San Francisco, LA).

Not exactly perfect, but what the heck, it's Sunday morning and The Giants have a bye this week.

Many of the schools, as I have mentioned in the past, have a shared common thread.

If one went to a Vatican Conference in The East (St. John's, DePaul, Marquette, G'Town, Seton Hall, PC, Marquette, Dayton, Xavier, and Nova) and The West (BYU, Gonzaga, Portland, USF, Loyola, Santa Clara, San Diego, Portland) might be great fun.

May even be able to get BYU to convert !!

Amen !!
 
My big concern is what does this mean for Coach Lavin ??

With Syracuse, Pitt, UConn (potentially), and ND all jumping to The ACC, does he start to think this is not what he signed up for ? I think he could care less about Rutgers. ...
This has been my main concern all along. Couldn't care less about Rutgers leaving, but the loss of UConn and possibly Georgetown to the ACC following the loss of Syracuse (and to a lesser degree Pitt) would definitely impact recruiting. And, as I've stated before, Steven Lavin didn't come here to coach a middle-of-the-pack team in a less-than-elite conference.
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The rumor over the past 72 hours is that the University of Maryland is heading to the Big Ten. Fans of lightweight RUTgers claim that ifMaryland leaves then they will be annointed to join either the ACC or Big Ten.

If the Big Ten offers Maryland then Maryland's response is a no brainer because of the additional revenue from various sources plus the BTN and the added prestige of membership in the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. If Maryland elects to move then that move must occur before the $50M exit fee goes into effect.
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Lightweight Rutgers? Football gives them much more leverage than any other BE team.
 
For the sake of conversation, I am curious to how many of you would prefer if SJU joined the ACC versus staying pat in the Big East?
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I know this is for the sake of conversation... I just don't think this would ever happen. This is not about basketball. This is about money and football. We don't and probably never will have football. My guess is we will always be aligned with G'town, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette etc. who don't have football. Their are other schools out there that do not have football maybe a St Joe's (for arguments sake) that will evenually be included in what will be the new alignment. I don't see any way the ACC or any other conference looks for basketball schools.
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Exactly.

The ACC isn't going to take St. John's. They're going to take a football school- Rutgers and/or UConn.

And please don't believe Aresco is shaking in his boots like some of you. He's just going to keep going west and taking top flight basketball teams looking to move to a power conference.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear UNLV joining the Big East soon. And I would gladly welcome them aboard. I'd rather watch UNLV vs. SJU rather than Rutgers vs. SJU any day of the week. Plus, it'd make a nice road trip :)

If UConn leaves, let's go after a team like Gonzaga. Not a sexy team/name but that's what this conference alignment is forcing us to do. Raid the best teams out west like the football conferences have done to us.

The Big East is not going anywhere. It will just expand with basketball schools replacing these football schools.

The ACC will become top heavy basketball-wise which is one of the reasons I don't want SJU there.
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UNLV and Gonzaga are great BB schools wouldnt mind them in the BE but they are located so far west that travel would be difficult for them playing BB 2x per week Maybe East and West divisions could be formed. It is highly unlikely the ACC would take SJU.
 
Face it people. The Big East is a dead conference. There is nothing that is going to be done to suddenly revive it.

The conference lacks leadership and is in complete disarray. Let's look at some of the moves: (a) TCU joins in all sports in 2010 and then subsequently reverses course and joins the Big 12 (b) Boise State and San Diego State join as football only schools (c) UCF, SMU, and Houston joins in all sports (d) Navy joins in football only (e) Memphis joins in all sports (f) Temple joins in all sports

I hate to break it to you, but there is no organization or plan associated with this conference. They are flying by the seat of their pants. That's why St. John's and the rest of the Catholic schools (Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Marquette, Georgetown) need to disassociate themselves from this mess. Like a lot of posters have been saying for years, try to create your own basketball conference. Invite Xavier, St. Joe's, etc. to the party. I get our school is into nostalgia, but the Big East as we knew it is forever dead. It's now just a name only.
 
Ive read somebody suggest this, but if ACC loses Maryland, ACC would be smart to add ALL of Uconn, Georgetown, Nova and St. John's. Would then have 13+1 football schools, 18 bball schools and would own all northeast basketball markets including New York, New England, DC, Philly. Easily the best bball conference and most prime market coverage. ACC would own the East Coast in all sports markets. I know it is probably a pipe dream, but still a very favorable scenario. Regardless, people must thank Steve Lavin because he's the only reason these rumors about SJU are even so much as a daydream.
 
For the sake of conversation, I am curious to how many of you would prefer if SJU joined the ACC versus staying pat in the Big East?
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I know this is for the sake of conversation... I just don't think this would ever happen. This is not about basketball. This is about money and football. We don't and probably never will have football. My guess is we will always be aligned with G'town, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette etc. who don't have football. Their are other schools out there that do not have football maybe a St Joe's (for arguments sake) that will evenually be included in what will be the new alignment. I don't see any way the ACC or any other conference looks for basketball schools.
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Exactly.

The ACC isn't going to take St. John's. They're going to take a football school- Rutgers and/or UConn.

And please don't believe Aresco is shaking in his boots like some of you. He's just going to keep going west and taking top flight basketball teams looking to move to a power conference.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear UNLV joining the Big East soon. And I would gladly welcome them aboard. I'd rather watch UNLV vs. SJU rather than Rutgers vs. SJU any day of the week. Plus, it'd make a nice road trip :)

If UConn leaves, let's go after a team like Gonzaga. Not a sexy team/name but that's what this conference alignment is forcing us to do. Raid the best teams out west like the football conferences have done to us.

The Big East is not going anywhere. It will just expand with basketball schools replacing these football schools.

The ACC will become top heavy basketball-wise which is one of the reasons I don't want SJU there.
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UNLV and Gonzaga are great BB schools wouldnt mind them in the BE but they are located so far west that travel would be difficult for them playing BB 2x per week Maybe East and West divisions could be formed. It is highly unlikely the ACC would take SJU.
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Perhaps, as I stated in an aforementioned post, that it's time to get creative and , at the very least, think about a startegic partnership with The West Coast Conference.

Not saying it is THE solution but it's time to seriously think about doing something different. The status quo is a disaster.
 
Bottom line though, is that the ACC is going to take whomever ESPN wants them to take. This is about money. Only thing we can continue to try to do is show why we're a marketable program.
 
Perhaps "the suits" at MSG will encourage the ACC to consider inviting St. John's.

You are 100% correct, it is all about $$$$ and ESPN.
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At this point, I don't think we have a choice but to try to make a move like that if offered to us. No choice any more. I'm hoping rumors like this are true. I want to continue to see us on a big stage if possible. Anything else would certainly be less favorable. In addition, with my desire to eventually move down to Charlotte, SJU to the ACC would be great for me... ;-)
 
Hooking up with a basketball friendly conference like the ACC could only be a good thing. I'm okay with a steady diet of Duke, UNC, Pitt, Cuse, et al.

Yes, football is the power sport but basketball brings in more than few dollars every March. And despite some hurdles in the ACC's constitution, you know they would love to have a real NYC presence.
 
For the sake of conversation, I am curious to how many of you would prefer if SJU joined the ACC versus staying pat in the Big East?
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I know this is for the sake of conversation... I just don't think this would ever happen. This is not about basketball. This is about money and football. We don't and probably never will have football. My guess is we will always be aligned with G'town, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette etc. who don't have football. Their are other schools out there that do not have football maybe a St Joe's (for arguments sake) that will evenually be included in what will be the new alignment. I don't see any way the ACC or any other conference looks for basketball schools.
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Exactly.

The ACC isn't going to take St. John's. They're going to take a football school- Rutgers and/or UConn.

And please don't believe Aresco is shaking in his boots like some of you. He's just going to keep going west and taking top flight basketball teams looking to move to a power conference.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear UNLV joining the Big East soon. And I would gladly welcome them aboard. I'd rather watch UNLV vs. SJU rather than Rutgers vs. SJU any day of the week. Plus, it'd make a nice road trip :)

If UConn leaves, let's go after a team like Gonzaga. Not a sexy team/name but that's what this conference alignment is forcing us to do. Raid the best teams out west like the football conferences have done to us.

The Big East is not going anywhere. It will just expand with basketball schools replacing these football schools.
The ACC will become top heavy basketball-wise which is one of the reasons I don't want SJU there.
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Finally the voice of reason.
There are plenty more basketball schools for the taking (Memphis and Temple were a great start)
BYU, Gonzaga, Xavier, Butler, Creighton, who are currently #13 in the nation, St. Louis and UMASS just to name a few.
The BE will never be what it was but I'd stack it up against most of the FB conferences any day (And no, I don't consider the ACC a football conference).
Just a matter of time before they lose Florida St. and Clemson.
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Creighton and St. Louis would never be ranked in a power conference. The only reason they are ranked is because they have cupcake schedules.
 
joe3, it's time to look at the glass half full.
it is what it is.
The big hits are syracuse and yukon.
bc, va. tech, miami, pitt, nd, rutgers, tcu, are replaceable.
memphis and temple are a good beginning.
we need to make this the best conference attainable.
the B1G and big 8 are all about football.
sec is right there with them, with the pac 12 close behind.
the acc is the only "basketball" conference out there.
If we can consistently be the 2nd best hoops conference, which i believe is conceivable, we will survive nicely.
 
I still don't get why the ACC and Big East don't just say "Ok, screw this mess...let's just merge". They gain SJ, G'Town, L'Ville, Memphis, Temple, Nova, Marquette, etc. all great programs and some solid football programs. When the TV deal is negotiated just take less than the football schools. Why is this not being done? Easy fix.
 
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