All this shuffling really pisses me off. College football blows...it's a joke. UMiami, USC, LSU, Alabama, Ohio St., etc. will always be the big guys at the top getting everything. There is no tournament...just coaches who get together and pick who they think is best ignoring undefeated records if you are not a name brand school like Utah. It's all politics and money in college football. College basketball is clear cut and you can be Valpo, Marist, or St. John's and all get the shot to make some noise come tournament time or even win a title (obviously probably not but the chance is what's important). I wish we would try to join the ACC like everyone else before this Big East ship is sunk. Add us and you get the NYC market for a school with a rejuvenated young talented team under Lavin, a great lax program, great baseball program, great soccer program, good women's basketball program, etc. And ACC would make sense geographically...much more so than Cuse at least. Why aren't we trying to go to the ACC? ND is as good as gone, UConn wants out asap, Louisville will be snatched up, and it's only a matter of time until the Big East will consist of mid major teams with us stuck with them.
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Let's be honest, football always drives all of this hoopla. I'm a little more pessimistic about the future of the BE in terms of bball than most. Reason being we should be getting schools like Memphis to join and bulster our conference in basketball but instead we are pulling in mediocre football programs with crappy basketball teams.
DieHard Johnny
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the new BE commissioner has to give Notre Dame the final ultimatum join FB or your out!
If the previous jerks did that Scuse,BC,& Pitt would never had left.
Since Knute Rockne is not the irish coach their team has not been a modern dynasty
One title since in 1988 sounds like the Wilponzi mets track record & IAM a ND FB fan
They Live off past glory & tradition while preaching catholic high morals/academics but greedy like
dont want to share! :evil:
If the previous jerks did that Scuse,BC,& Pitt would never had left.
Since Knute Rockne is not the irish coach their team has not been a modern dynasty
One title since in 1988 sounds like the Wilponzi mets track record & IAM a ND FB fan
They Live off past glory & tradition while preaching catholic high morals/academics but greedy like
dont want to share! :evil:
I have said many times on this board that ND joined the BE to bolster their BB program which was essentially dead at the time. They should not have been allowed in without playing FB. If they had come in for all sports there never would have been the loss of schools like Miami, BC, Vtech etc and the beat goes on. Now that they see their next tv contract is not going to give them what they expect they are ready to play FB but only in another league. Talk about rat finks
DieHard Johnny
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ND was not going to join the BE in all sports. BE wanted ND's market pure and simple and held out hope that they would one day come with football. Miami, Va. Tech and Syracuse jumped at the first chance to jump to the ACC with Cuse coming back with their tails between their legs when they were rejected in favor of Va. Tech. When the ACC decided to add one more, BC jumped at the chance and Cuse was still left on the outside, but despite being jilted, they answered the call again this time. Maybe if those four had stayed, with the other changes now occuring, possibly ND would have joined but even then I doubt it and if they were to go would have picked one of the big four.
Miami didn't join the BE in all sports either. Rutgers, W.Va & Temple originally only joined for Football. BE made these arrangements to stay a conference and it worked for many years even when they had to reconfigure. Just like most things, things change and they did not move fast enough to protect their house. The past President was over his head and was blindsided by Pitt as he was scrambling to keep it together. Maybe a better commissionar would have been able to forestall this or maybe it was only a matter of time.
If we are talking hindsight, it has been mentioned here before, but you can also trace not bringing in Penn State as part of the BE years ago. That could have changed the landscape and maybe we would not be having this conversation.
ACC took Cuse and Pitts for their 1a. football purposes and playoffs and the like (and no I don't sniff, smoke or swallow mind numbing substances although I do occassionaly have acholic beverages, but not now). But 1b. was the added benefit of weakening the BE in basketball which delighted the non enthusiastic football breathen of the ACC.
RedStormRising
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I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, but why do you think the Big East is better with ND (BBall only) than without? Do you think ND basketball adds value to neg. a tv contract (which is possible I just don't know)?
I assume the travel cost to ND for 'all other sports' make having them in conference a net money loser. So thats a wash with any other school.
Thanks.
ND has a large following both alumni and just fans who like all things ND and intitially provided a market in an area the BE would not have access to other than DePaul who doesn't have their following and have not improved one iota since joining the BE. Marquette provides a similar market but again does not have the following of ND.
As far as they other sport, ND needed a conference which would accept them without the BE and ND was a willing partner. ND other sport programs enhances the BE in those other lesser sports.
ND leaving the BE would just make the BE weaker in both preception and fact.
Let's face it ND is a pig- they joined to improve their BB program and never had any thoughts to play FB with the BE. They had their own FB contract and didnt care about anyone else. They considered themselves too BIG..But actually they are playing on their past glories. There havent been many recent gloires for ND. They never should have been accepted into the BE and the sooner they leave the sooner the landscape will settle and a final version of the BE will evolve. Who knows, the BE may cease to exist. In one way who cares anymore, it isnt about the school or conference it is only about making more and more money, to hell with loyalty. BB and FB isnt amateur anylonger it is minor league pro ball.
Far from me being an ND apologist or fan for that matter, but the BE knew what they were and were not getting into when they brought in ND. ND made it perfectly clear they were staying Independant in football. Yes they are playing on pas glory but still have a huge following across the country which they parlayed into the FB contract. They do just fine with that contract and their independant schedule and they won't join a conference for Football until doing so ensures them more economic success than their current arrangement.
Of course its about making money and more money. That is why the bowl set-up has lasted as long as it did. Originally it might have made since not having playoffs in D1 and using the rankings and bowls, but that changed as you got more competitive balance and when you started adding games and conference championship playoff games. Even those were added to make more money. We loved the expanded BB tourney but it was expanded to give more teams a chance and to make more money.
Bring in the dollars, keep the alumni happy so they can give more and the money keeps flowing in.
"The University of Maryland is in serious negotiations to join the Big Ten Conference, sources told ESPN on Saturday.
If Maryland goes from the ACC to the Big Ten, Rutgers of the Big East is expected to follow suit. The addition of Maryland and Rutgers would give the Big Ten 14 members as the league gears toward negotiations on a new media rights deal when its first-tier rights expire in 2017...."
"No date has been set for a potential announcement, though it could come as soon as Monday."
"If these dominoes were to fall then Connecticut would emerge as the most likely candidate to fill Maryland's spot in the ACC. "
http://espn.go.com/college-football...hts-talks-join-big-ten-conference-sources-say
I was really hoping all this musical chairs nonsense was going to stay quiet for a while...
I didn't think Maryland leaving the ACC was possible with their massive new exit fee ($50mm?)
If Maryland goes from the ACC to the Big Ten, Rutgers of the Big East is expected to follow suit. The addition of Maryland and Rutgers would give the Big Ten 14 members as the league gears toward negotiations on a new media rights deal when its first-tier rights expire in 2017...."
"No date has been set for a potential announcement, though it could come as soon as Monday."
"If these dominoes were to fall then Connecticut would emerge as the most likely candidate to fill Maryland's spot in the ACC. "
http://espn.go.com/college-football...hts-talks-join-big-ten-conference-sources-say
I was really hoping all this musical chairs nonsense was going to stay quiet for a while...
I didn't think Maryland leaving the ACC was possible with their massive new exit fee ($50mm?)