Adonis De La Rosa,
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He did nothing more than he shoudl have. He inherited Cotton and Batts. Henton is a beast...he had a top 100 7-footer. He ran a simple zone and let Cotton do whatever he wanted on offense. Very good recruiter, but he's never even won a tournament game and couldn't even make the dance with a JR Cotton and 4th year JR Batts.
Let's see what he does without an automatic 20 points from Cotton.
They caught a huge break playing SHU instead of Villanova. It was not that great of an accomplishment.
They had 13 conference wins, 7 of those wins were against DePaul, SHU, Butler and Marquette. Their 4 road wins were against Butler, DePaul, SHU and SJU. SJU being the best. DePaul was close and DePaul was missing BOTH Melvin and Garrett.
SJU in 2010-11 went 12-6 in a MUCH tougher league, beat Duke AND Pitt (2 no. 1 seeds) and beat Villanova, West Virginia and Cincy ON THE ROAD. 3 NCAA teams ON THE ROAD.
PC was slightly better then SJU last year. Barely. They both went 10-8, SJU lost at the wire to both PC and DePaul. We all agree the DePaul loss was terrible, but keep in mind Garrett and Melvin both played that game. Take both of them out and SJU is 11-7 at WORST.
I like Ed Cooley but please with this great job, you really think they would have beaten Nova last year???? BTW-Both PC and SJU lost twice to Nova last year, SJU played NOVA to the wire twice including AT NOVA. PC lost by about 100 to NOVA at NOVA.
I think the jury's still out on Cooley. They did beat Xavier, something we couldn't do, and of course, they beat us at MSG, when it counted most.
But it was Fortune who carried the day for them on that win against us--not Cotton. I don't think you can overstate the importance of Fortune leaving that team unexpectedly.
Here is my point about Ed Cooley. It is not to knock him per se, I actually think he has Providence headed in the right direction. My point is people look at him and Lavin and act like he is so much better based on WHAT exactly??? One 10-8 year as an 11th seed in the NCAAs after they did not have to play Nova in the BE Tourney.
Also Lavin gets knocked for a lot of things. Let me name some for Cooley. Kiwi Gardner, Ian Baker and Ricky Ledo all fail to qualify and never played a minute for PC. Bullock and Austin also were recruits who never played after they were essentially kicked out of school last year.
Sidiki Johnson, remember him? Many on this board were begging Lavin to take him as a transfer from Arizona. Kid was a disaster at Zona and most knew that. But Cooley took him, how'd that turn out?
Then Josh Fortune a key player and starter transfers OFF OF A BE TOURNEY CHAMP team, why?
Then with open scholarships and playing time Cooley went after Jared Terrell, Devonte Graham, Elijah Stewart (all decommitted point guards) and numerous transfers and WHIFFED ON EVERY ONE. Terrell chooses Rhode Island, who has won about 5 games over the last 3 years over PC??? That would be like a top NYC recruit choosing Fordham over SJU.
Also after starting 0-2 last year including a home loss to a SHU team missing 2 starters and a blowout loss to Nova on the road you should have read the PC boards. "Cooley can't cut it" "PC is an embarrassment" dredging up the Ledo and Johnson stuff. They were burying him.
Again my point is NOT to say Cooley is to blame for all of that. He is not. Like everything it needs to be put into context. Just like Lavin should be accorded the same consideration.
My larger ppint is to show how easy some people will view a school with some short term success and then with tunnel vision overlook a lot of other things (because it does not fit their agenda) and then won't do the same for their own program.
Also Lavin gets knocked for a lot of things. Let me name some for Cooley. Kiwi Gardner, Ian Baker and Ricky Ledo all fail to qualify and never played a minute for PC. Bullock and Austin also were recruits who never played after they were essentially kicked out of school last year.
Sidiki Johnson, remember him? Many on this board were begging Lavin to take him as a transfer from Arizona. Kid was a disaster at Zona and most knew that. But Cooley took him, how'd that turn out?
Then Josh Fortune a key player and starter transfers OFF OF A BE TOURNEY CHAMP team, why?
Then with open scholarships and playing time Cooley went after Jared Terrell, Devonte Graham, Elijah Stewart (all decommitted point guards) and numerous transfers and WHIFFED ON EVERY ONE. Terrell chooses Rhode Island, who has won about 5 games over the last 3 years over PC??? That would be like a top NYC recruit choosing Fordham over SJU.
Also after starting 0-2 last year including a home loss to a SHU team missing 2 starters and a blowout loss to Nova on the road you should have read the PC boards. "Cooley can't cut it" "PC is an embarrassment" dredging up the Ledo and Johnson stuff. They were burying him.
Again my point is NOT to say Cooley is to blame for all of that. He is not. Like everything it needs to be put into context. Just like Lavin should be accorded the same consideration.
My larger ppint is to show how easy some people will view a school with some short term success and then with tunnel vision overlook a lot of other things (because it does not fit their agenda) and then won't do the same for their own program.
And SJU beat Marquette on the road something PC could not do. In fact PC should have been swept by Marquette. Marquette flat blew a lead in regulation and lost in OT at PC. SJU also for the most part ran PC off the court at PC.
Again you want to argue PC was better then SJU last year, OK? But how much better? Let's not act like they were Villanova last year. They were 10-8 with 5 wins against non-NCAA and NIT teams.
I will end this with one more post. Obviously this should stay on subject.
A poster mentioned Kris Dunn being a stud. Fair enough, he was a highly recruited guard a year ago and he is coming back from injury. He may have a terrific college career.
OK but let's compare that to SJU. SJU has an even more highly regarded PG recruit from a year ago, coming off a bit of an up and down season but nevertheless a season many think he was still the best freshman in the conference and is projected to be the best returning PG in the BE.
So let me get this straight Ed Cooley is a great coach because he has a PG who has not played a minute yet and is coming off an injury but SJU fans should be angry because we have Rysheed Jordan and at the two guard an ALL-BE player in D'Angelo Harrison??
Perfect example of what I was talking about. You really think Cooley has the better returning backcourt players? Do you think he thinks that? Do you think ANY BE coach thinks that?
A poster mentioned Kris Dunn being a stud. Fair enough, he was a highly recruited guard a year ago and he is coming back from injury. He may have a terrific college career.
OK but let's compare that to SJU. SJU has an even more highly regarded PG recruit from a year ago, coming off a bit of an up and down season but nevertheless a season many think he was still the best freshman in the conference and is projected to be the best returning PG in the BE.
So let me get this straight Ed Cooley is a great coach because he has a PG who has not played a minute yet and is coming off an injury but SJU fans should be angry because we have Rysheed Jordan and at the two guard an ALL-BE player in D'Angelo Harrison??
Perfect example of what I was talking about. You really think Cooley has the better returning backcourt players? Do you think he thinks that? Do you think ANY BE coach thinks that?
And walloped the eventually ncaa champs Uconn by 20 pts at the garden. Man what a run that was.
Cooley does a good job, I don't like him as much as some posters do, but he has PC headed in the right direction.
Fordham is right though, Cooley and Lavin are held to different standards. One reason Cooley looks impressive is because so little was expected of him or PC. Lavin has a big name, got paid a lot, and SJU is in NY, people i think therefore expect more from him. That might be fair or unfair, but they definitely aren't judged the same.
Fordham is right though, Cooley and Lavin are held to different standards. One reason Cooley looks impressive is because so little was expected of him or PC. Lavin has a big name, got paid a lot, and SJU is in NY, people i think therefore expect more from him. That might be fair or unfair, but they definitely aren't judged the same.
I don't think it is a case of Lavin being held to a different standard. I think it's more about winning. I get that some people were not impressed with PC's record or their path in the BE tournament. The bottom line is they won the darn thing. I am quite sure if we won th BE tournament last year, in the same fashion, no one would be mentioning a lucky path.
I am not ready to annoint Cooley as anything other than a good coach. But i do feel like folks are reluctant to give him his props.
Again we are left with rationalizations about why SJU wasn't THAT bad and another teams success, in this case PC, wasn't THAT good. The difference between being good and bad at this level is miniscule and the fact is PC had a good season and we didn't. Spin it any way you want but we underachieved and PC didn't. Protect Lavin all you want, complain he is held to a different standard on this board. The fact is, he IS, because we are SJU fans and to date his time here has been disappointing with no tangible reason to believe the prospects for the program are looking up. That may very well change but right now those are the facts. I still support him but I am hard pressed to say the program is in a much better place than it was when he came in 5 years ago. Maybe marginally so but not significantly so.
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
St. John's commit Adonis Delarosa is qualified academically after getting needed test score, per Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello. #sjubb
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille St. John's source confirms Adonis Delarosa is good to go. #sjubb
St. John's commit Adonis Delarosa is qualified academically after getting needed test score, per Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello. #sjubb
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille St. John's source confirms Adonis Delarosa is good to go. #sjubb
blackpeter24
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That is good news. Go Red Storm.