Adios Tariq

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We have had more than our share of players leaving and it would be nice if Tarig decides to stay but I think we are going overboard over his loss. Mullin appears to prefer three guards on the floor, Ponds , Simon and Dixon with Clark on the wing. Hopefully Keita can be the rebounder we need because we know Tarig is not that guy.
Obviously there is more work to be done but at least knowing now might attract a transfer who doesn't have to be a future pro to replace Tarig.
SJU has been terrible in rebounding these last two years because Clark didn't turn out to the tough rebounder we hoped for but mainly because Tarig just isn't physical enough. He was a decent contributer but not one who is irreplaceable.
 
[quote="Enright" post=277008]We have had more than our share of players leaving and it would be nice if Tarig decides to stay but I think we are going overboard over his loss. Mullin appears to prefer three guards on the floor, Ponds , Simon and Dixon with Clark on the wing. Hopefully Keita can be the rebounder we need because we know Tarig is not that guy.
Obviously there is more work to be done but at least knowing now might attract a transfer who doesn't have to be a future pro to replace Tarig.
SJU has been terrible in rebounding these last two years because Clark didn't turn out to the tough rebounder we hoped for but mainly because Tarig just isn't physical enough. He was a decent contributer but not one who is irreplaceable.[/quote]

i think people are more upset at the pattern of players leaving, rather than owens specifically. Next year was finally supposed to be the year where we keep team intact, and now owens is leaving before the second round of ncaa even starts. Its beyond frustrating.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=277006]Chicago Days wrote: That’s one reason why I applaud recruiting Josh Roberts and Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams—whose ‘profiles’ seem to be talented / promising kids but also seem grounded with balance and who seem to ‘want to’ be at St. John’s.

Completely agree with the above point.[/quote]

What leads you to believe any of these players would pass on transferring out as a graduating senior? When they see themselves being recruited over during their freshmen or sophomore years why would they not listen to their advisors telling them the grass is greener somewhere else and it's worth sitting out a year?

Grounded kids leave too - probably at a higher rate.

This trend has impacted the johnnies more than most, but there are 800 plus transfers a year and growing. The PC team that just lost again in the first round lost one of their top players to Syracuse two seasons ago.

The key is to pull in the replacements during the free agency period.
 
If this is a business decision, why not enter draft without an agent? Get some feedback, and then work on weaknesses.

Mulllin has given Tariq the green light and freedom to play some on the perimeter. If he went to another program would he have that freedom? We also run a lot of pick & roll which suits Tariq’s skill set. Not too mention getting 26 minutes a game in the BE.

My gut instinct this has to do more with the Dad. Who thinks his son needs to be more of a focal point on offense. He could possibly be trying to get Mullin to commit to Tariq being a top option on offense. They are supposed to get together this soon.
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=277016]If this is a business decision, why not enter draft without an agent? Get some feedback, and then work on weaknesses.

Mulllin has given Tariq the green light and freedom to play some on the perimeter. If he went to another program would he have that freedom? We also run a lot of pick & roll which suits Tariq’s skill set. Not too mention getting 26 minutes a game in the BE.

My gut instinct this has to do more with the Dad. Who thinks his son needs to be more of a focal point on offense. He could possibly be trying to get Mullin to commit to Tariq being a top option on offense. They are supposed to get together this soon.[/quote]
Don’t sense a positive outcome from that meeting if it even occurs.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=277018][quote="Danny Noonan" post=277016]If this is a business decision, why not enter draft without an agent? Get some feedback, and then work on weaknesses.

Mulllin has given Tariq the green light and freedom to play some on the perimeter. If he went to another program would he have that freedom? We also run a lot of pick & roll which suits Tariq’s skill set. Not too mention getting 26 minutes a game in the BE.

My gut instinct this has to do more with the Dad. Who thinks his son needs to be more of a focal point on offense. He could possibly be trying to get Mullin to commit to Tariq being a top option on offense. They are supposed to get together this soon.[/quote]
Don’t sense a positive outcome from that meeting if it even occurs.[/quote]

I would say your right.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=277012][quote="NCJohnnie" post=277006]Chicago Days wrote: That’s one reason why I applaud recruiting Josh Roberts and Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams—whose ‘profiles’ seem to be talented / promising kids but also seem grounded with balance and who seem to ‘want to’ be at St. John’s.

Completely agree with the above point.[/quote]

What leads you to believe any of these players would pass on transferring out as a graduating senior? When they see themselves being recruited over during their freshmen or sophomore years why would they not listen to their advisors telling them the grass is greener somewhere else and it's worth sitting out a year?

Grounded kids leave too - probably at a higher rate.

This trend has impacted the johnnies more than most, but there are 800 plus transfers a year and growing. The PC team that just lost again in the first round lost one of their top players to Syracuse two seasons ago.

The key is to pull in the replacements during the free agency period.[/quote]

The reason other BE programs like Seton Hall, Providence, Xavier, Marquette, Creighton, G*Town, Nova have solid player retention is that they’re winning programs recruiting from strength, with a few ‘Ships given to 2*/3* kids who want to be ‘there’ and stick around and develop their games for 3-4 years.
That’s a far better ‘stick’ rate than we’ve achieved—and for the reasons noted: a program in rebuild-Mo for most of the past 20 years, and one that had to ‘reach’ for kids with ‘stars’ in their eyes.
I am confident that ME, GW, and JR may break our skid.
But, you’re right, who knows in our nutty ‘fantasy-island’ driven college ‘game’.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=277021][quote="OLV72" post=277012][quote="NCJohnnie" post=277006]Chicago Days wrote: That’s one reason why I applaud recruiting Josh Roberts and Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams—whose ‘profiles’ seem to be talented / promising kids but also seem grounded with balance and who seem to ‘want to’ be at St. John’s.

Completely agree with the above point.[/quote]

What leads you to believe any of these players would pass on transferring out as a graduating senior? When they see themselves being recruited over during their freshmen or sophomore years why would they not listen to their advisors telling them the grass is greener somewhere else and it's worth sitting out a year?

Grounded kids leave too - probably at a higher rate.

This trend has impacted the johnnies more than most, but there are 800 plus transfers a year and growing. The PC team that just lost again in the first round lost one of their top players to Syracuse two seasons ago.

The key is to pull in the replacements during the free agency period.[/quote]

The reason other BE programs like Seton Hall, Providence, Xavier, Marquette, Creighton, G*Town, Nova have solid player retention is that they’re winning programs recruiting from strength, with a few ‘Ships given to 2*/3* kids who want to be ‘there’ and stick around and develop their games for 3-4 years.
That’s a far better ‘stick’ rate than we’ve achieved—and for the reasons noted: a program in rebuild-Mo for most of the past 20 years, and one that had to ‘reach’ for kids with ‘stars’ in their eyes.
I am confident that ME, GW, and JR may break our skid.
But, you’re right, who knows in our nutty ‘fantasy-island’ driven college ‘game’.[/quote]

Right. I think some are missing the point as to why we've had such bad retention rates. We've been a losing program for two decades. Most other Big East teams are winning programs that just reload at will. Plus, throw in the fact that Mullin came into a bare cupboard and had to take what he could get in year one. He also had to take some risks. What that led to was him recruiting over the first class in year two and so forth. We're still not a winning program and kids want to win so they leave. To me, none of this is unexpected and that's why I said next year is such a huge year for the future stability of this program.
 
Tarik had a nice run here after transferring . Mullin gave him a lot of PT despite the fact he did not possess a lot of the front court skills necessary in the BE . He has a nice 12 footer but, would you want him shooting 12-15 times a game from that distance ? He is not a post player nor Rebounder . I would think if he and his advisors look closely at what any other Program would promise him that Mullin can’t , he opts to stay . He is not going to be option 1 on very many Major conference programs .
 
Agreed that the trend is damaging our program to a greater degree due to the points raised in the above posts. Just one point; many top teams have had their losses from the lax rules too. No one is immune to it. Kids are going to continue leaving.

I'm glad to see out staff actively recruting the best available transfers.
 
In my opinion, game on the line this season, who do you want shooting. In order of preference:

1) Ponds
2) Simon
3) Clark
4) Ahmed
5) Owens

If you really wanted to run his nose in it, you'd pick Trimble as option # 5

Tells you all you need to know.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=277034]Tarik had a nice run here after transferring . Mullin gave him a lot of PT despite the fact he did not possess a lot of the front court skills necessary in the BE . He has a nice 12 footer but, would you want him shooting 12-15 times a game from that distance ? He is not a post player nor Rebounder . I would think if he and his advisors look closely at what any other Program would promise him that Mullin can’t , he opts to stay . He is not going to be option 1 on very many Major conference programs .[/quote]
Try any. He wasn't a top 4 option on a 9-10 place team in a top 6 conference.
 
[quote="Logen" post=277005][quote="Moses Thambuswamy" post=276991]I feel like a lot of the posters here are expressing their frustrations surrounding the team and letting that reflect on individuals / kids. I get it, season was a disappointment and we haven't been relevant but it's all perspective... if guys don't want to be here then so be it, theres no need to even bother with that stuff. Let's hope things turn around with the group we have and see who comes in to replace.[/q
I think a lot of the posters here are delusional; we had a huge hole to climb out of and it certainly remains to be seen if this staff can do it. But not one of the posters can show me a remotely comparable situation where a team was this quickly one quitter away from possibly challenging for an NCAA bid, especially competing in a high level, balanced conference like the BE. I know reality sucks for all the whining posters here but there it is. Yes, I would like to see Owens stay but I would have loved to see LoVett not use a minor injury as a reason to quit but that is the world we live in. If people want to blame those decisions on Mullin so be it.[/quote]

We still don't have stability. For the last three years for the most part we have been scrambling to get transfers, jucos, Euro players and last minute recruits. That all started when Lavin left the cupboard more than bare. Until we can break this cycle and establish continuity on the court and in recruiting we're going to continue to have a long row to hoe. Blaming Chris for this is ridiculous. What other coach could have come into this situation and done a better recruiting job?

TO was another of these stop-gap kids who now seems to think he's got a bright future some where else. Good luck to him, I'm sure there will be plenty of teams who want a non-rebounding shot-blocker on the defensive end and an outside/3 point shooter on the offensive end.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=277039]In my opinion, game on the line this season, who do you want shooting. In order of preference:

1) Ponds
2) Simon
3) Clark
4) Ahmed
5) Owens

If you really wanted to run his nose in it, you'd pick Trimble as option # 5

Tells you all you need to know.[/quote]

See what often baffled me about Tariq was how he couldn't get 8-10 rebounds a game easily with all of the minutes he played. I thought he'd make that step next year playing aside another big.
 
[quote="Room112" post=277046][quote="Beast of the East" post=277039]In my opinion, game on the line this season, who do you want shooting. In order of preference:

1) Ponds
2) Simon
3) Clark
4) Ahmed
5) Owens

If you really wanted to run his nose in it, you'd pick Trimble as option # 5

Tells you all you need to know.[/quote]

See what often baffled me about Tariq was how he couldn't get 8-10 rebounds a game easily with all of the minutes he played. I thought he'd make that step next year playing aside another big.[/quote]

Fouls unnecessarily too often
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=277057]There is more to this, so let’s not hammer staff. Trust me.[/quote]

You are trusted but would be even more trusted if you share what “more to this” that is :) :cheer:
 
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=277071][quote="Danny Noonan" post=277057]There is more to this, so let’s not hammer staff. Trust me.[/quote]

Off court.

You are trusted but would be even more trusted if you share what “more to this” that is :) :cheer:[/quote]
 
[quote="Room112" post=277046][quote="Beast of the East" post=277039]In my opinion, game on the line this season, who do you want shooting. In order of preference:

1) Ponds
2) Simon
3) Clark
4) Ahmed
5) Owens

If you really wanted to run his nose in it, you'd pick Trimble as option # 5

Tells you all you need to know.[/quote]

See what often baffled me about Tariq was how he couldn't get 8-10 rebounds a game easily with all of the minutes he played. I thought he'd make that step next year playing aside another big.[/quote]

When his dad ran his mouth about Tariq getting more touches after one of his better games, I responded to him that the NBA would be much more interested in his son if he got 15 rebounds per game and not 15 points. He responded and I thought "This is stupid" and deleted my posts to him. Another "Dad coach" who thinks the only thing separating Owens from the NBA is the right school and opportunity.

When I coached AAU (girls mind you), all parents talked about was D1, D2, or D3 as to where their daughter was going to land. After hearing this incessant chatter I said to one parent. "You kid is going to D nothing. She isn't a college player" While my kids played with a decent number number of college bound players, most did not play college ball. Parents F up youth sports, even at the college level. I know what that's like - I drove my kid's HS coach crazy.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=277071][quote="Danny Noonan" post=277057]There is more to this, so let’s not hammer staff. Trust me.[/quote

You are trusted but would be even more trusted if you share what “more to this” that is :) :cheer:[/quote]

Off court

Off court.
 
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