Adios Tariq

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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=276900][quote="RedStormRising2" post=276807]Ugh, I would consider this our biggest recruiting loss this year.[/quote]

Lets see what big man we replace with (I know about Keita.).
Hoping for a big man with better #s or atleast similiar, you gotta think Yakwe is gone too.

So 4 ships available? We need atleast 2 more bigs, if not, then we're in trouble.
Even one big man, we're in trouble. I'll start claiming doom at the end of May, if we add none or only 1.[/quote]
Brace yourself for another under-manned team.
 
[quote="redken" post=276946][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=276900][quote="RedStormRising2" post=276807]Ugh, I would consider this our biggest recruiting loss this year.[/quote]

Lets see what big man we replace with (I know about Keita.).
Hoping for a big man with better #s or atleast similiar, you gotta think Yakwe is gone too.

So 4 ships available? We need atleast 2 more bigs, if not, then we're in trouble.
Even one big man, we're in trouble. I'll start claiming doom at the end of May, if we add none or only 1.[/quote]
Brace yourself for another under-manned team.[/quote]

That's possible. But, I'll give the "staff" a chance to rectify things with the allotted scholarships.

They better get off their ass and get out there. Georgetown's season ended a day before ours, and Ewing and staff has been out grinding! Ewing has personally been to 3 or 4 different states since last week.
 
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[quote="fan5577" post=276919] ... This is my question; do you think it might be the lack of a "big man coach"? We have 2 HOF guards on the staff but no one who, in his fathers mind, can coach a big man to the next level .
To me this came out of nowhere. I was looking forward to watching him next year. His dad's statement is complimentary of the coaches, MAYBE he is looking for someone who he believes can better help a "big man"?[/quote]
I've been saying that for some time, 5577. If your son is a highly recruited big man, whom do you think would be in the better position to develop him and get him to the next level: Chris and Mitch, or, say, Patrick Ewing? Having a big-man assistant -- especially one with a "name" -- would be a big plus for the program.
 
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Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm flat-out exhausted (both physically and emotionally) after reading all the posts in this thread.:S
 
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I don't understand this transfer. Unless Jordan Brown commitment is imminent it makes no sense. Do Owens and his father think he is a 1st option scorer?

He is a role player, 4th scoring option. He could go to a sucky A-10 team and he will be no more than a 3rd option on a losing team. He could average 10 & 6 next year as a starter on a tourney team in the biggest media market and get enough attention from NBA scouts to get invites to training camps post season. He wont find a better deal than he currently has and he wont be a bigger factor in the offense of any other major conference team. Or even a winning midmajor team. His dad is delusional and short sighted.
 
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If you listened to the winning Buffalo coach last night he downplayed Arizona’s bigs and stated in college it’s easy to neutralize Bigs Went on to say it’s all about guards and if you watched his guards eat Wildcats you know that quickness can be effective against a second Wildcats team from Kentucky
 
How they do against Kentucky will tell a lot more about Buffalo. The entire Arizona starting 5 played like they had a lot more on their mind than the game.
 
Didn't the future coaches of Opekpa, Ellison & Sid Wilson all get fired after those respective players decided on their transfer schools (not sure about UNLV but we all know that Stallings is out at Pitt and Ollie at UConn). To me the person who should be most worried about this decision is the head coach of wherever Owens ends up if he does transfer :eek:hmy:
 
In simplest terms Tariq’s dad did not agree with so much of our offense flowing through perimeter guys & that hampering his professional aspirations. I certainly disagree with him assuming a greater role in the offense and many dads struggle being objective.

We can rationalize all we want, but the roster churn here precludes continuity and ongoing success. Elite programs can afford that, but SJU can’t in my opinion.

Good luck to Tariq. He certainly hustled here and despite some limitations brought a lot to the table.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=276956]In simplest terms Tariq’s dad did not agree with so much of our offense flowing through perimeter guys & that hampering his professional aspirations. I certainly disagree with him assuming a greater role in the offense and many dads struggle being objective.

We can rationalize all we want, but the roster churn here precludes continuity and ongoing success. Elite programs can afford that, but SJU can’t in my opinion.

Good luck to Tariq. He certainly hustled here and despite some limitations brought a lot to the table.[/quote]

Dad is a great follow on twitter and his devotion for Tariq is awesome but if you watch college hoops very few teams run their offense through big men. The college game is by and large a guards game. Good Luck to the Owens family.
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=276943][quote="Mike Zaun" post=276932][quote="redmanwest" post=276925]A few points:

1. Very sorry to see this as TO was a spark and a hard-working guy. Important to our success next year. Exacerbates our already-existing weakness.

2. Hard to see how this helps him as I agree with many of the above sentiments. He was a starter, got plenty of minutes and fit in here when other teams may not have the same niche for him to fill (big man outside shooter).

3. Other big man transfers from here have NOT fared better (i.e., the grass is not always greener): Obepka; Sima; Williams

4. Many of the ins and outs have had strange twists on them that I am not sure can be blamed on the coaching staff. Wilson, Lovett, Owens, and all have family influence at the center. Most here would not question the other transfers we've had: Mussini (most thought he'd only stay a few years to go play abroad); Fruedenberg and Ellison (most thought that they were not suited for this level of play). So, while the level of annual change is disconcerting, I think that is a reflection of the fragile state of the program, the kinds of (maybe somewhat flakey) kids/reaches we are forced to resort to, etc. Overall, despite the changes, out talent level has increased year over year, and it looks (unless Ponds leaves) that would be the same next year; now with Owens departure maybe not so much.

5. The father's statement just shows that many of these kids look at going to school as a sidebar to their true primary focus is playing basketball at the next level, as realistic as that may or may not be depending on the kid. I know he is graduating (apparently), but the "free agent" mentality is a little shocking. Maybe it shouldn't be.

6. This puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the recruiting of at least 2 immediately available bigs for next year, and a lot of question into whether or not we can truly take a step up next year as we had hoped. Hopefully Matt and CM won't whiff on the targets that they have, as last year. Can't afford that.[/quote]

Agree with #1, but saying this has absolutely nothing to do with our staff's failure thus far is like trying to hide a horse but other people can obviously see the tail sticking out. We have to be able to discuss the elephant. Which is more likely? This failure all randomly happening with tons and tons of consistent bad luck, or our staff being incapable to this point of creating and maintaining a winner? Again, they work their tails off...they are trying, but it's not working. Going into year 4 and already seeing the foundation for future excuses is very troubling and shows where we are as a program. If I were at the helm, I'd force staff changes for next year. Bring in a bigs coach and a real veteran assistant coach. Then have all hands on deck aggressively pursuing graduate transfer big men. I don't even care if they're DII at this point to be honest. Do they have size? Good. Some semblance of soft touch around basket? Good. Knows how to box out? Sign him up. Make sure we get at least 2. Then if we are not much better next year, I doubt the Mullin experiment will ever truly work at least to the point of being a consistent NCAA team. Is there an outside consultant we can hire? Maybe they can tell us what we are missing. I mean that seriously. I'm more of a problem-solver but to solve problems we need to acknowledge them. We all love Mully but let's be real, the experiment is on its last legs. Next year is going to tell us a lot. Really hope we get some luck for a change.[/quote]

The staff is working hard? Ha! As, a whole.... Hardly so.

By the way, Happy.... I've long dug deep. Sound post.[/quote]

I understand Greg St. Jean is really Jack Williams. That's what I've heard :)
 
A few years ago the NCAA changed the transfer rule to allow the grad transfer immediate eligibility as a way to reward these student athletes and it seemed like a good idea. What the NCAA didn't seem to take into account is that just about all college bb players and their families and posses feel they are future pros and if they are not reaching that goal it is because they are not being utilized properly and not because of a lack of talent.
With other school recruiters looking to get that player telling the player he is being held back in his current situation this type of transfer has exploded in recent years. If the NCAA goes ahead and allows all transfers immediate eligibility college bb will be dealt a serious blow.
 
[quote="redken" post=276948][quote="fan5577" post=276919] ... This is my question; do you think it might be the lack of a "big man coach"? We have 2 HOF guards on the staff but no one who, in his fathers mind, can coach a big man to the next level .
To me this came out of nowhere. I was looking forward to watching him next year. His dad's statement is complimentary of the coaches, MAYBE he is looking for someone who he believes can better help a "big man"?[/quote]
I've been saying that for some time, 5577. If your son is a highly recruited big man, whom do you think would be in the better position to develop him and get him to the next level: Chris and Mitch, or, say, Patrick Ewing? Having a big-man assistant -- especially one with a "name" -- would be a big plus for the program.[/quote]

I hear Willis Reed is available. He did wonders with Wayne McKoy :)
 
I dont have a clue as to whether Tariq’s Dad is nice guy, an a-hole or something in between. Buts let’s please stop elevating him to saInthood because he’s “devoted to his son”. For Christ’s sake, a parent is supposed to be devoted to their kids!!
 
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[quote="Monte" post=276962]I dont have a clue as to whether Tariq’s Dad is nice guy, an a-hole or something in between. Buts let’s please stop elevating him to saInthood because he’s “devoted to his son”. For Christ’s sake, a parent is supposed to be devoted to their kids!![/quote]

Thanks Monte, Beast, 5577, MJD, RMW and the previous posters.

As others have said, surprising and disappointing. However...
He wants to go, let him go!
And yes, of course, this is an important time for "us" as far as recruiting and playing well, Ws and tournament appearances. But thus far - and yes disappointing we have not advanced further in three years (it will be 3 years this April) and yes still we have made incremental advances in wins and recruits.
Hopefully this trend continues and I can live with that, after all I am a fan and what am I to do, give up on the program?
Tempting.
However, I would for once like to know what actually transpires behind the scenes as far as augmenting the staff and bolstering our ability to recruit. Maybe some poster in the know can enlighten us.
I bypass my frustration and reluctance to say let's go St. Johns.
Let's go St. Johns.
I go in peace lol and hope.
Sheridan
:)
 
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[quote="Monte" post=276962]I dont have a clue as to whether Tariq’s Dad is nice guy, an a-hole or something in between. Buts let’s please stop elevating him to saInthood because he’s “devoted to his son”. For Christ’s sake, a parent is supposed to be devoted to their kids!![/quote]

lets be real theres a lot of brown nosing going on on twitter from st johns fans and i think they are sucking up hoping he will decide Tariq is staying.. if tariq commits to another school there won't be so many complements being thrown around
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=276960][quote="redken" post=276948][quote="fan5577" post=276919] ... This is my question; do you think it might be the lack of a "big man coach"? We have 2 HOF guards on the staff but no one who, in his fathers mind, can coach a big man to the next level .
To me this came out of nowhere. I was looking forward to watching him next year. His dad's statement is complimentary of the coaches, MAYBE he is looking for someone who he believes can better help a "big man"?[/quote]
I've been saying that for some time, 5577. If your son is a highly recruited big man, whom do you think would be in the better position to develop him and get him to the next level: Chris and Mitch, or, say, Patrick Ewing? Having a big-man assistant -- especially one with a "name" -- would be a big plus for the program.[/quote]

I hear Willis Reed is available. He did wonders with Wayne McKoy :)[/quote]
Might've worked out better if Wayne hadn't stopped growing in his mid-teens.:(
 
[quote="redken" post=276948][quote="fan5577" post=276919] ... This is my question; do you think it might be the lack of a "big man coach"? We have 2 HOF guards on the staff but no one who, in his fathers mind, can coach a big man to the next level .
To me this came out of nowhere. I was looking forward to watching him next year. His dad's statement is complimentary of the coaches, MAYBE he is looking for someone who he believes can better help a "big man"?[/quote]
I've been saying that for some time, 5577. If your son is a highly recruited big man, whom do you think would be in the better position to develop him and get him to the next level: Chris and Mitch, or, say, Patrick Ewing? Having a big-man assistant -- especially one with a "name" -- would be a big plus for the program.[/quote]

Didn't they bring in Willis Reed to work with Wayne McCoy?
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=276964] ... As others have said, surprising and disappointing. However...
He wants to go, let him go!
And yes, of course, this is an important time for "us" as far as recruiting and playing well, Ws and tournament appearances. But thus far - and yes disappointing we have not advanced further in three years (it will be 3 years this April) and yes still we have made incremental advances in wins and recruits.
Hopefully this trend continues and I can live with that, after all I am a fan and what am I to do, give up on the program?
Tempting.
However, I would for once like to know what actually transpires behind the scenes as far as augmenting the staff and bolstering our ability to recruit. Maybe some poster in the know can enlighten us.
I bypass my frustration and reluctance to say let's go St. Johns.
Let's go St. Johns.
I go in peace lol and hope.
Sheridan
:)[/quote]
"I go in peace and hope." Isn't that Matt's mantra? (Or maybe it's "I go in peace and hope ... hope that Chris comes along with me.")
 
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[quote="Enright" post=276959]A few years ago the NCAA changed the transfer rule to allow the grad transfer immediate eligibility as a way to reward these student athletes and it seemed like a good idea. What the NCAA didn't seem to take into account is that just about all college bb players and their families and posses feel they are future pros and if they are not reaching that goal it is because they are not being utilized properly and not because of a lack of talent.
With other school recruiters looking to get that player telling the player he is being held back in his current situation this type of transfer has exploded in recent years. If the NCAA goes ahead and allows all transfers immediate eligibility college bb will be dealt a serious blow.[/quote]

It is already becoming more lucrative to recruit transfers, especially when they don't have to sit out. When the NCAA removes the sit out rule, it becomes open season year round.

Most are critical of their coaches while they are playing for them. The appreciation comes later.

As for parents living through their sons, they are even worse critics of the people coaching their kids.

This freedom is changing the sport, no doubt about it.
 
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